Does the new NCAA rules legitimize the bag man?...
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Yes
Every Bank in Alabama is currently holding open auditions for new spokesmen.
Car dealerships in Oxford are doing the same.
Every Bank in Alabama is currently holding open auditions for new spokesmen.
Car dealerships in Oxford are doing the same.
Not exactly. It seems like there are going to be rules in place that prohibit it until you’ve gotten on campus so it will stay out of the recruiting process. And It sounds like the NCAA is going to put a rule in place that all of it will have to be reported to the universities. So bagmen will still have to go undercover during the recruiting process. But not sure how it will prevent verbal promises with local car dealership owners and people like that
If I owned a retail business in Ms. the last thing I would do is put only players from one school or another on my commercials...no matter where my allegiance was.
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Officially? No.
Unofficially? Absolutely.
You have to remember who we are dealing with here. This is the NCAA....who is completely incapable of consistently enforcing even the existing amateurism / eligibility rules which are, quite frankly, pretty black and white and easy to interpret (can’t pay players or their families, can’t cheat on tests, etc.). Look at the absolutely absurd loopholes they invoked to avoid handing down meaningful punishment to schools like Auburn and UNC. Auburn broke the rules and the freaking father of an active player admitted to taking money, but since Cam “didn’t know” it’s OK!!! UNC is running a glorified diploma factory that they were actively directing their athletes to use, but its OK because non-athletes could technically also use the same shady courses / professors.
Those were very obvious open and shut cases that were bungled at an almost criminally negligent level, and you can add OM’s recent sanctions to that as well. Now, you are going to have nothing but gray area compensation that is going to be completely legal. When dealing with things such as likeness royalties, memorabilia, and endorsements, there are going to be loopholes on top of loopholes on top of more loopholes. Enforcement and consistent policy application is going to be 100% impossible to enforce, to the extent that the rules themselves will become meaningless. Hell, we were almost there already (remember the Level I violation “penalty matrix” that we always referenced in regards to the OM sanctions?). But this is definitely going to be the final tipping point.
I probably wouldn't either, but that wouldn't stop me from hiring athletes to participate in meet and greets and autograph sessions for the customers I knew would be receptive. To the extent I was paying money, I'd probably even hire an athlete from each school that turned down an out of state offer and brand it something about hometown heroes or something to play both sides.
There literally will be no method of paying a player that can't be justified now. Open the floodgates.
Exactly... but let’s not let common sense get in the way of people freaking out about something before they even know the facts.
I'm afraid you're right
I'm all for these guys making money, but I think this ruins college football for schools like MSU. Its already hard enough to compete with LSU, Bama and Auburn when we suspend players and report violations like we do. We'll self report our way back to doormat status, if we haven't already.
I'm all for these guys making money, but I think this ruins college football for schools like MSU. Its already hard enough to compete with LSU, Bama and Auburn when we suspend players and report violations like we do. We'll self report our way back to doormat status, if we haven't already.
I could see Arky being the biggest beneficiary (of the SEC have-nots) in this deal. This could really help them get their program on it's feet again.
it is basically giving work-arounds to the current system. college athletics as they have been known for 150+ are now over. it was dying when the ncaa started looking the other way and not enforcing blue blood cheating, and its officially over with the end of amateurism. wild west is about to begin.
It will be harder to “raise red flags” now for a player. Let’s say a player for the tide who grew up in a housing project is all of the sudden rolling thru T-town in a brand new red challenger with new rims......well what do you expect, he like a lot of other tide players is a paid spokesman for this and that, nothing to see here.... no way to know if the money for the car came from the Bryant Bank ad or the bag man, there’s just not.
All of those rules would appear to be in violation of California law. They might not enforce it that way, but it looks to be illegal based on a plain reading of the statute.
It means Texas is going to start recruiting better than Alabama....Texas is going to profit big time from this with their massive fanbase.
Are yall not aware of the IRS and state tax commissions? If not, heads up, they're kinda noteworthy for checking up on sources of income.
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Probably. The AAU circuit handlers won yesterday. Regulations will surely be attempted to mitigate it. But as a poster below said...."rules lulz". Of course we are guessing as to what the landscape will look like. <br>
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The big losers yesterday could possibly be the athletes. Thats the crazy part in all this. And considering the endorsement money will come from private money, the universities also won because they aren't paying the athletes. The private money will be. Private money isn't going to want to pay all athletes. They just want to pay the big time athlete. I feel that is a possible scenario in this.<br>
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All of the debate is premature until we start seeing the implementation proposals. But as said earlier in this thread....rules lulz. These next few years will be interesting.
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Probably. The AAU circuit handlers won yesterday. Regulations will surely be attempted to mitigate it. But as a poster below said...."rules lulz". Of course we are guessing as to what the landscape will look like. <br>
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The big losers yesterday could possibly be the athletes. Thats the crazy part in all this. And considering the endorsement money will come from private money, the universities also won because they aren't paying the athletes. The private money will be. Private money isn't going to want to pay all athletes. They just want to pay the big time athlete. I feel that is a possible scenario in this.<br>
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All of the debate is premature until we start seeing the implementation proposals. But as said earlier in this thread....rules lulz. These next few years will be interesting.
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The AAU circuit handlers were almost certainly losers yesterday. They are going to get pushed aside by more professional agents.
There will probably not be any bag men. You can potentially save some taxes going through bagmen, but most places will probably pay the players above board.
Fair
I was implying that it legitimizes their operation...and they have a chance to take on a more "professional" role as they shift from runner/handler. Whether it is someone coming from more professional angle or someone in the current model that adapts to the new regulations....someone will find success. So we both agree it legitimizes the business in a sense.
The guys in the current model already have the relationships to get directly to the athlete. I think there will still be a need for those guys and an opportunity if it is played correctly.
Of course all of this hypothetical and is a premature discussion. But it is a fun one to think about.
I'm curious if/how this will filter down to all athletes beyond the elite ones.
I was implying that it legitimizes their operation...and they have a chance to take on a more "professional" role as they shift from runner/handler. Whether it is someone coming from more professional angle or someone in the current model that adapts to the new regulations....someone will find success. So we both agree it legitimizes the business in a sense.
The guys in the current model already have the relationships to get directly to the athlete. I think there will still be a need for those guys and an opportunity if it is played correctly.
Of course all of this hypothetical and is a premature discussion. But it is a fun one to think about.
I'm curious if/how this will filter down to all athletes beyond the elite ones.
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I just want us to catch on the "new game" quickly and not be last in the SEC at implementing our updated recruiting strategy. I feel like Alabama and Ole Miss are already frothing at the mouth just thinking about the possibilities. Our bagmen need to make sure we are not left in the dust.
ETA: This updated strategy should carry over to whatever coach is leading the program.
ETA: This updated strategy should carry over to whatever coach is leading the program.
Very much aware but you have to admit that a legitimate source of income can help cover up the illegitimate source. As long as the legit income can cover the lease/ utilities/car note and anything else with a paper trail the rest can cover bar tabs, restaurant bills, trips, toys, party favors, clothes and cash back to mama. They get to have the cake and eat it too. Do you think all small businesses owners live off of the income they report?
Look I personally think they deserve it but this does change the fame and probably will hurt the small market schools.
Also there will always be a bag man during the recruiting season for the superstar recruits. He will have to make clear they can’t use it until after the legit money starts coming in but it is a shorter wait than before.
Of course. What you will see now is a group of boosters who share no common business interests come together to form a feel good non-profit whose sole purpose is to get money to recruits. Something like a anti littering campaign that pays spokesmen (players) tens of thousands perhaps even hundreds of thousands to do a two bit anti littering commercial. And when someone tries to cry foul, which they can’t now really, they’ll say we’re just a good ole charity for the kids how dare you.
There are a million different ways how we’re about to get left in the dust. May be time to jump ship to the NFL as a primary fandom.
There are a million different ways how we’re about to get left in the dust. May be time to jump ship to the NFL as a primary fandom.
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Texas will still suck, they will just pay more.
Texas issue is the unspoken rule of Texas High School Recruiting. Once you offer a prospect, you have to take them.
https://www.goodbullhunting.com/201...ffer-pulled-texas-greyshirt-mississippi-state
I say get all the money above board.. Allow kids to have jobs if they can work it out with their college course loads and practice times. Let them sign with agents if they're good enough and earn whatever and however much they can. Strike while the iron is hot. Stop with all the shady street runners enticing kids to jeopardize their careers.
And stop giving grant in aid to athletes. There is a world of money to be made from their athletic abilities while they're going to school. Put an end to the scholarships and treat college athletics as their chosen profession.
Allow schools to have say over admittance. Their standards should be governed by them alone. No more NCAA interference. If some schools admission standards are lower than others and attract different athletes then so be it (after all... they already are).
The NCAA is done. Society demands these college athletes be treated as working professionals.
And stop giving grant in aid to athletes. There is a world of money to be made from their athletic abilities while they're going to school. Put an end to the scholarships and treat college athletics as their chosen profession.
Allow schools to have say over admittance. Their standards should be governed by them alone. No more NCAA interference. If some schools admission standards are lower than others and attract different athletes then so be it (after all... they already are).
The NCAA is done. Society demands these college athletes be treated as working professionals.
I imagine the first thing different will be the "free autograph sessions" we have now.
I wonder if the athletes will be allowed to charge whatever the market will bear at Fan Days.. Like.. the QB can charge $20 a pop but the lowly 2nd string TE can only muster $1. Or will some schools try some draconian, fascist BS and say every player makes the same for every signature.
Oooh.. maybe some teams will vote to put a big pot out at the end of the line and then split the proceeds evenly among the 105 man roster. But... then shouldn't they be expected to tip all the folks working the show that allowed them to make money that day?
Man.. the possibilities are endless!
Oooh.. maybe some teams will vote to put a big pot out at the end of the line and then split the proceeds evenly among the 105 man roster. But... then shouldn't they be expected to tip all the folks working the show that allowed them to make money that day?
Man.. the possibilities are endless!
It won't be direct payments, but how can they stop it from boosters? You can bet part of the job for the off field recruiting staff will be to help manage "support for likeness and image opportunities" with friends of the university. If we aren't organizing that we will be left behind, because you can bet others will do it. I'm extremely interested to see how the NCAA tries to manage that, if they even do.
I'm guessing appearances on behalf of the university are a part of their scholarship. Much like playing in football games on Saturday.
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