This is true. He hasn't had very good WRs to throw to until he got Cooper, so his numbers should go up, but he's also had a very good defense and run game to help him the past couple years.
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His fumbles are high because most of them are strip sacks. He sits in the pocket too long, that's why his numbers for fumbles and sacks is high just like Cousins. Both of them lead the league in getting sacked and losing fumbles.
Well part of it is I'm not a Dallas fan. I'm a Saints fan. I want to see Dak do well. It is good for State, I just thought we speaking objectively here.
This is ridiculous. I can give you Ben, Stafford, and Wilson. The other names you posted we will agree to disagree. Rivers is a cry baby punk who has been playing in the NFL for 38 years and never won ****. I can’t believe he doesn’t get punched in the face at least 4 times a season. Cousins and Watson? WTF? That’s crazy talk. The names you included on your “argue” list makes me wonder if your football knowledge comes from playing fantasy football. Tyrod Taylor? Are you 17ing kidding me? That is just downright offensive.
I notice you left out any rushing related stats. What about 4th quarter stats? I don’t know how other QB’s stack up on those individual lists. Are they all higher than Dak in each of those categories? Did you consider how many come from behind wins other QB’s had?
Personally, I think it’s premature to include someone with 1 year of experience. Mahomes was awesome last year, but let’s see how that holds up. I’ll take a wait and see approach with Mayfield as well.
The college qb’s you listed don’t impress me as far as NFL talent, except maybe Lawrence. Tua is already injured and they get to play on teams that have more talent at about every position than 90% of the teams they play.
Personally, I think it’s premature to include someone with 1 year of experience. Mahomes was awesome last year, but let’s see how that holds up. I’ll take a wait and see approach with Mayfield as well.
The college qb’s you listed don’t impress me as far as NFL talent, except maybe Lawrence. Tua is already injured and they get to play on teams that have more talent at about every position than 90% of the teams they play.
That would probably show up under come from behind wins. Where does he rank in those?
Go look at the stats I posted man. Dak doesn't throw a good deep ball, gets sacked 2nd most often in the league and 2nd most fumbles in the league overall too bc of his poor pocket awareness and I haven't seen him put a team on his back and win a game.
Rivers is a 1st or 2nd ballot hall of famer. His stats are ridiculous. He's had to go through Tom Brady in the playoffs and hasn't had much help on defense throughout his career. I'll give you the cry baby part though. You'd take Dak over Rogers? What about Mahomes? I think you were just so angry and biased you didn't read the list or something.
In SPS fantasy league I got the 2nd highest draft grade.... (2nd Lettuce Patch league started this year)
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Also a Saints fan. But outside of the top 3-4 guys in the league (Brady, Brees, Mahomes, Rodgers), I think you could argue that 5-10 are mostly subjective. I’m not even a State fan per se, although I do root for them when they’re not playing USM. I just like Dak. When Brees retires, I foresee Dak taking up the mantle of “most likable” NFL QB. And since I’ve conceded that the QB rankings are mostly subjective to a point, I guess there’s no way to say that you’re wrong in your opinion, but I don’t think most NFL executives, players, coaches, or fans would agree with you.
So in the same sentence, you admit to part of it being you're not a Dallas fan, and then say you're being objective?
Look, I get it. I think we tend to overvalue Dak as State fans. But he's doing a pretty good job. He's not just a starting QB, but arguably one of the highest-profile starting QB positions in the league. He walked into a situation with a lot of high expectations and a lot of frothing "experts" looking for any reason to **** on him because he "wasn't an NFL QB."
I'm proud of him.
Lol I like the Saints and really no one else at all. I pull for Dak but I'm not glued to every Dallas game. Dallas was one of my least favorite teams before Dak. I hope they win a SB only for Dak and bc it helps MSU.
I'm not a Dallas fan but I'm not a fan of any team other than the Saints. Just like the NFL, I like MSU and I don't have any other teams I really root for outside of Texas a little bit because my grandfather went to Texas, but I don't own a single Texas shirt. I don't own a single NFL shirt of another team outside of the Saints. I like to watch good football and that's it. I like watching come backs too.
I'm with you on being proud of Dak and the position he has. QB of Dallas certainly is most high profile job in NFL and he's got one of the most high profile front offices to deal with and he handles it EXCEPTIONALLY well, and there's something to be said about that and I did say it: he's got intangibles that can't be coached or taught, but he's still not in the elite category when it comes to QB skill set. He may get there and I think being so poor in the pocket is the main reason I'm hesitant, but I watched him a lot last year and my best friend is a huge Cowboys fan and we both say the same thing.
You like to state emphatically on here a lot
that you know what others think. As a TRUE Dallas fan long before Dak got there I can tell you that we don't all think the way you say we do. I think he does fine in the pocket considering he was thrown into the NFL as a rookie starter and is still a very young but capable QB. Believe me, after watching the mismanagement of this team for the past two decades, Dak's pocket awareness is the LAST thing we true fans are worried about.
One day you'll grow up and realize you don't know everything about what everyone else thinks.
that you know what others think. As a TRUE Dallas fan long before Dak got there I can tell you that we don't all think the way you say we do. I think he does fine in the pocket considering he was thrown into the NFL as a rookie starter and is still a very young but capable QB. Believe me, after watching the mismanagement of this team for the past two decades, Dak's pocket awareness is the LAST thing we true fans are worried about.
One day you'll grow up and realize you don't know everything about what everyone else thinks.
According to Pro-Football-Reference for 4th Quarter comebacks:
League leaders by year:
2018: Brees 6, Watson 5, Goff 4, Tied at 3: Dak, Carr, Dalton, Keenum, Luck, Mayfield, Rivers, Rogers, Tannehill
2017: Mariota, Dalton, Big Ben-3, Dak 0
2016: Stafford 8, Carr 7, Dak 5
Total: 8
My best friend the past 14 years is a huge Dallas fan and I've heard what his family thinks about Dak. They don't think he's a ****** QB or anything, but I was getting texts last season about them growing frustrated with Dak and open to moving on from him. I'm not just speaking outta my ***, but sure it's still considered anecdotal.
ETA: He's got the 2nd most sacks and fumbles in the league man. I think the stats prove he could do better in the pocket awareness department.
ETA: He's got the 2nd most sacks and fumbles in the league man. I think the stats prove he could do better in the pocket awareness department.
Dak's sacks doubled last year over his first 2 years. That O-line was a sieve
contrary to public perception. Center lost for whole season, LT missed 3 whole games and was limited in several more.
Started the season with maybe the worst WR/TE corps in the league.
After Amari came over his stats are top 10-ish. Add in the substantial intangibles and he's comfortably top 10.
The way NFL QB contracts work, he should probably be paid top 5 which will be top 15 in 2-3 years.
contrary to public perception. Center lost for whole season, LT missed 3 whole games and was limited in several more.
Started the season with maybe the worst WR/TE corps in the league.
After Amari came over his stats are top 10-ish. Add in the substantial intangibles and he's comfortably top 10.
The way NFL QB contracts work, he should probably be paid top 5 which will be top 15 in 2-3 years.
This is a joke right? You're not legitimately bragging about a fantasy football draft grade, scratch that, a second place fantasy football draft grade.
Yeah it is subjective, which means you can make your point and use facts and stats to back up your point. Notice how no one is coming at me with stats except for comeback wins in the 4Q (he had zero two years ago). I listed a bunch of important QB stats that show he's average.
I've said all along his intangibles are really what make him a great QB, but he still has a lot to improve on and he shouldn't be paid like the top QB until he proves he's actually the top QB or at least top 5.
He's got 8 in 3 years. Gave the numbers above you. I dunno where 8 ranks over 3 years but probably not top 10...
That OL sucks but somehow Zeke was able to run for almost 1,500 yards in 15 games....
ETA: You know who else doesn't have great WRs? Tom Brady. Tom Brady was also sacked 21 total times last year which was the 28th least sacked QB.
Dak was sacked 56 times. Only Cousins was sacked more at 62 times.
ETA: You know who else doesn't have great WRs? Tom Brady. Tom Brady was also sacked 21 total times last year which was the 28th least sacked QB.
Dak was sacked 56 times. Only Cousins was sacked more at 62 times.
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Don't get this at all. You would rather side with the billionaire owners and let them keep padding their wallets? I hope Dak squeezes every penny he can out of Jerry.
I said it was largely anecdotal, but I mean, like you (I'm assuming here) I go to sports bars, talk to people at work, etc who are also Dallas fans and I get similar comments about Dak's pocket awareness.
This is really strange, it's like I'm the only one of you who realize his pocket awareness isn't good and the number of sacks and fumbles prove it, but ya'll still wanna act like I'm just some clueless guy who hates Dak and MSU...lol.
Stafford? Cousins? Alex Smith? Tyrod Taylor? Flacco?
You cannot be serious with that clown show list.
There is not an NFL fan anywhere that wants any of those guys over Dak.
Not even going to get into the mention of Andrew Luck....no idea where you were going with that one.
Cam Newton is also not necessarily better, especially when you consider intangibles. He has a career passer rating of 86.4, compared to Dak’s 96.0. Carson Wentz has similar numbers to Dak, and hasn’t stayed healthy. So no on him as well.
Out of Big Ben, Brady, Brees, and Rivers, probably none will even still be playing at the conclusion of Dak’s first long term deal. So putting them in the conversation is pointless as it relates to whether or not Dak deserves Top 10 money now, because that investment is going to be for the level of play exhibited over the next 5-6 years. Dak is going to start surpassing one or two of those guys THIS year, in all likelihood.
That leaves Mahomes, Ryan, Goff, Rogers, Watson, and Wilson. Maybe Baker Mayfield joins that club eventually. So yes, when it comes to the known QB’s that will be capable of delivering Top 10 level performance over the next half decade, Dak is 100% in the Top 10.
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Okay, then do you care to explain why you're so worried about NFL salaries going up?
Hey man. Watch your tone. You're talking to a guy that got the 2nd best fantasy grade for his draft.
Run blocking vs pass blocking. I watched the games. Dak isn't as good Tom Brady. He's as good as Cousins.
Cousins got paid. Why are you hating on Dak's money?
Cousins got paid. Why are you hating on Dak's money?
You basically agreed with me with your last sentence after you did the analysis in your head. Dak is not a top QB in the league nor should he be paid like one.
Ha I never said I was worried, just think they're getting silly. Where should the excess money go? I dunno perhaps NFL teams could foot the bill for their own damn stadium????
Would you care to make a wager on Tua being a better NFL QB than Dak? If so, please specify your time frame. I.e. first year, 5th year etc. and also specify what metric you want to use to judge.
It won’t be wins or anything that factors in rushing. I’m guessing he uses “best looking deep pass”
Well last year he was also behind a patchwork Oline that was one of the worst in the league at one point. I also saw a metric that measured how open a WR was during the route. Prior to getting Cooper, Dallas WRs were getting the least separation in the NFL so the windows that Dak had to throw into was smaller than any other QB in the NFL. I believe it was less than 3 yards and the average was around 5 yards. Even with the fumbles Dak was better at protecting the ball than a lot of NFL starting QBs all while he is getting paid $600k.
I'm not hating on his money man. He should be paid, just not paid like a top 5 QB.
I know the hard part about this is looking forward to what he'll be worth in a couple more years and you have some of the older guys contracts coming due, but he hasn't proved he's a top 5 QB to me yet.
I know the hard part about this is looking forward to what he'll be worth in a couple more years and you have some of the older guys contracts coming due, but he hasn't proved he's a top 5 QB to me yet.
My original reply to you i said besides Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees, round out the top 10. I’m not angry. I’m just blown away with some of the names you put on that list. Dak throws a good deep ball. I’m glad he finally has somebody to throw it to this year.
I didn’t agree with anything. You both struggle with reading comprehension and have no idea how NFL contracts work. First of all, you don’t pay a guy Top 10 money for what he is, you pay him for what he’s going to be 5-6 years down the road. Do you really think anyone would take Brady over Dak when picking a QB for the next 5 years?
Secondly, we are in an era of hyperinflation of QB salaries. Top 3 QB money 5 years ago isn’t even Top 10 now. If Dak signs for Top 10 money now, it won’t even be Top 15 or maybe even Top 20 money 5 years from now. This has been explained ad nauseum by multiple people, but folks like you still don’t get it. Every single young QB that is simply above average is going to get an extension that gives them an annual salary, at the time the extension is signed, that is Top 10 over the period of the extended years. Every. Single. One. It is the bare minimum price of doing business in the NFL now.
If you want to do some real homework, compare every QB in the NFL’s stats over their first 3 years in the league for number of wins and passer rating to Dak’s current body of work. I think you may be surprised what you find.
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Wow. You know what helps MSU more than anything? For us to walk into a recruit’s living room for the most important position on the field, and tell them they can come to MSU, show out, and make $30 million a year in the NFL if they work hard because we have a guy who has already done it. But you don’t want that?