Looks like Keenum must be a teetotaler...

[DAWG61]

In one of the other threads I responded to someone about the math of the football game potential sales. In addition to the large number of workers needed (if it is a separate stand), I didn’t really even go into the infrastructure that would have to be put into place. Do you want to pay $6 - $10 for a warm beer? Nope. So Davis Wade would either have to build HUGE walk in coolers to house 100-400 kegs (depending on estimated sales and how far you want to move the kegs during a changeout.) Unless the beer distributor is planning on bringing a refrigerated 18 wheeler(s) to keep them in. The same would be needed at The Hump and The Dude, although not as big.

Budweiser and Coors Lite will do/pay whatever it takes to get a monopoly over beer sales at MSU for the next forever years.

 

[johnson86-1]

I'm not talking just football I'm talking all sports. When you start selling something in your stadium you increase security for those illegally bringing it in and you kick out those that are drinking alcohol not bought in the stadium (or you should if you want to maximize profit). Once the penny pinchers realize they are risking getting kicked out over paying $8 a beer they'll quickly fork over the money. Plus some people don't like sneaking in alcohol. Ease of mind and all.

And I specifically was talking football, as I said, where the product is already there and at a cheap price.

And you didn't understand any of the post. We already are seeing people choose alternatives to going to the stadium at the current pricing. For some, the ability to get a drink without the hassle of bringing it in will make attending live more desirable. For others, they already have the experience they want, so you are just talking about increasing their cost to attend the game. For me, my cost to attend the game is basically the cost of the ticket, $40 worth of some pretty good bourbon, and the purchase of two cups of ice. I go to the concession twice per game and basically miss nothing. If you tell me that I now get the same amount of bourbon, but it will cost me $80, and I'll have to go wait in line 5 separate times, and also, it will be a cheap bourbon instead of a good bourbon, that's a significantly different value proposition to me.

I suspect there are a decent number of people that buy season tickets that are already on the fence about spending $4 to $5k a year on football games, and increasing their costs by another $250 to $500 per year to have a less enjoyable experience will be enough to sway them, and you'll eventually see some of the "profit" from alcohol sales come out of ticket sales. Certainly not going to offset it, but I think people that have it in their head that people are going to suddenly pay a lot more for alcohol but not have that impact what they're willing to spend on tickets at all are fooling themselves.

 

[DAWG61]

And I specifically was talking football, as I said, where the product is already there and at a cheap price.

And you didn't understand any of the post. We already are seeing people choose alternatives to going to the stadium at the current pricing. For some, the ability to get a drink without the hassle of bringing it in will make attending live more desirable. For others, they already have the experience they want, so you are just talking about increasing their cost to attend the game. For me, my cost to attend the game is basically the cost of the ticket, $40 worth of some pretty good bourbon, and the purchase of two cups of ice. I go to the concession twice per game and basically miss nothing. If you tell me that I now get the same amount of bourbon, but it will cost me $80, and I'll have to go wait in line 5 separate times, and also, it will be a cheap bourbon instead of a good bourbon, that's a significantly different value proposition to me.

I suspect there are a decent number of people that buy season tickets that are already on the fence about spending $4 to $5k a year on football games, and increasing their costs by another $250 to $500 per year to have a less enjoyable experience will be enough to sway them, and you'll eventually see some of the "profit" from alcohol sales come out of ticket sales. Certainly not going to offset it, but I think people that have it in their head that people are going to suddenly pay a lot more for alcohol but not have that impact what they're willing to spend on tickets at all are fooling themselves.

The extra money MSU will make is not really why I want alcohol available to buy in the stadiums so I'm really not all that interested in arguing the potential dollars earned. I want the binge drinking before during and after the games to be reduced, I want less drunk drivers on the roads and I want the fans that are leaving early to go drink or are staying at their tailgates to drink to watch the game in the stadium instead. You can still sneak in your bourbon if that's all you're worried about you just gotta be more clever with it now. (I highly doubt MSU is gonna increase security for their no outside alcohol policy anyways but they should if they pass this).

 

[paindonthurt_]

Not only are you dumb, you’re a liar too

I've seen people come out of club level on stretchers due to over consumption numerous times. Did the university have issue with that?? Don't think so.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

And I specifically was talking football, as I said, where the product is already there and at a cheap price.

And you didn't understand any of the post. We already are seeing people choose alternatives to going to the stadium at the current pricing. For some, the ability to get a drink without the hassle of bringing it in will make attending live more desirable. For others, they already have the experience they want, so you are just talking about increasing their cost to attend the game. For me, my cost to attend the game is basically the cost of the ticket, $40 worth of some pretty good bourbon, and the purchase of two cups of ice. I go to the concession twice per game and basically miss nothing. If you tell me that I now get the same amount of bourbon, but it will cost me $80, and I'll have to go wait in line 5 separate times, and also, it will be a cheap bourbon instead of a good bourbon, that's a significantly different value proposition to me.

I suspect there are a decent number of people that buy season tickets that are already on the fence about spending $4 to $5k a year on football games, and increasing their costs by another $250 to $500 per year to have a less enjoyable experience will be enough to sway them, and you'll eventually see some of the "profit" from alcohol sales come out of ticket sales. Certainly not going to offset it, but I think people that have it in their head that people are going to suddenly pay a lot more for alcohol but not have that impact what they're willing to spend on tickets at all are fooling themselves.

I really don't see this having much of an impact on everyone's ability to sneak in liquor. It's not like their gonna start patting everyone down.

 

[BigDog72.sixpack]

Not only are you dumber, you’re a liar too

I've been in club level for 12 years ******* and I know what I'm talking about!! And they were on stretches from falling and hitting their heads from being too shitfaced to walk.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Numerous times over the last 12 years people have been rolled out of club level for being too intoxicated and we’ve never read abt it before.

I sit in club level too you lying piece of dung.

 

[FreeDawg]

Unfortunately we live in an *** backwards state where some still think enjoying an adult beverage at a sporting event will send you straight to Hell, while those same people sit there during a game eating 3 hotdogs and some BBQ nachos professing your body should be a temple. Either way, People will continue to drink during games.

Hahaha. Same crowd probably thinks a vegan is a gay vegetarian

 

[RPOdawg]

Question. Don’t they serve alcohol in the club level suites?

 

[AssEndDawg]

If Ole Miss is doing it, we should be as well. Don't understand his thinking on this. If they sell 10,000 beers at a game at say 10.00 a beer (average price), that's 100K minus beer costs, which I would guess would be around a cost of a $2.00, that would net around 60 to 80k per game at a minimum x 7 games. Could be staring at 1/2 mill in revenue and that's just for football. And that's on the conservative side.

Economics don't work that way, you can't just add up some imaginary numbers and declare victory. You also have the increased cost of security, the lost sales from people who won't bring their family to a stadium full of drunk ********, fights in the stands, lawsuits from injuries, etc. I still think you are a net positive on revenue but it's not nearly what you are saying.

It boils down to the experience you want to give your fans. This is a hard choice for teams like MSU. For Ole Miss and LSU it's an easy choice because all their fans are drunk ******** already so you might as well cash the check.

 

[AssEndDawg]

I've been in club level for 12 years ******* and I know what I'm talking about!! And they were on stretches from falling and hitting their heads from being too shitfaced to walk.

Where do you sit, because no one on the North side of the Club Level is having that much fun. Never seen anything like this, at every game....

 

[paindonthurt_]

No. They allow you to stock your locker with “items”.
Those items tend to be alcoholic in nature in many cases.

BUT there aren’t liquor bottles just laying around everywhere for everyone to see.

 

[Fogdog]

Heard on Taylor Zarzour's radio show that in every case where the effect of college stadium alcohol sales on alcohol-related problems has been evaluated, incidence of alcohol-related misbehavior has decreased. I remember that UWV (down 40%!) and Oregon (also a big drop) have conducted studies on this within the last couple of years, But I can't remember the others he mentioned. Both studies concluded that people aren't overdoing it as much at pre-game tailgates, because they know they can obtain alcohol in the stadium.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Actually I'm not. And I know why the metal detectors were put in place. But we were one of the few (maybe the only) SEC schools that jumped right out in front of this requirement for the security booths. I know the SEC put this down as a mandate, but you had 2 years to install them I believe. I went to Bama and LSU games and neither had the booths last year. Plus LSU already figured out a way to sell it in the stadium before this rule passed. Alcohol flows freely in suites and club levels. Any liability there?? I've seen people come out of club level on stretchers due to over consumption numerous times. Did the university have issue with that?? Don't think so.

I deal with a lot of folks at the university and you'd be surprised at how incredible the thought process can be at State College when it comes to thinking outside the box. Sometimes I scratch my head, just as those who I work with who are employed by the university.

We're still MSU. But I am amazed we pulled off the new Dude! So all is not lost. Just get those kegorators!!

Two things:

1) Be glad someone called you young (I know I would)

2) Your underlying assumption is that everyone agrees that this is both a good thing AND that it should be done immediately. I don't believe that anyone should be demonized because they don't think the same way, whether Keenum is for or against...

 

[johnson86-1]

I really don't see this having much of an impact on everyone's ability to sneak in liquor. It's not like their gonna start patting everyone down.

I was responding to dawg61's post talking about cracking down and kicking people out.

But I'm also not as sure they won't start enforcing it. I don't think they will. One concern I have if they have to get the dramshop insurance coverage, wouls the insurance company require them to do more to control it? I don't know that theY would, but it wouldn't shock me if they did.

 

[DAWG61]

I was responding to dawg61's post talking about cracking down and kicking people out.

But I'm also not as sure they won't start enforcing it. I don't think they will. One concern I have if they have to get the dramshop insurance coverage, wouls the insurance company require them to do more to control it? I don't know that theY would, but it wouldn't shock me if they did.

All servers of alcohol would have to get an ABC license. Insurance companies don't do jack **** other than require all servers at an establishment to get ABC licenses and any potential lawsuit would trickle down to the individual serving the beer not MSU. Good luck to any lawyer dumb enough to take on that case and trying to figure out exactly who served who and then proving they knew they were serving a visibly intoxicated individual.

 

[RocketDawg]

All servers of alcohol would have to get an ABC license. Insurance companies don't do jack **** other than require all servers at an establishment to get ABC licenses and any potential lawsuit would trickle down to the individual serving the beer not MSU. Good luck to any lawyer dumb enough to take on that case and trying to figure out exactly who served who and then proving they knew they were serving a visibly intoxicated individual.

Is that true of the waitresses at Applebee's, etc.?

 

[RocketDawg]

Actually I'm not. And I know why the metal detectors were put in place. But we were one of the few (maybe the only) SEC schools that jumped right out in front of this requirement for the security booths. I know the SEC put this down as a mandate, but you had 2 years to install them I believe. I went to Bama and LSU games and neither had the booths last year. Plus LSU already figured out a way to sell it in the stadium before this rule passed. Alcohol flows freely in suites and club levels. Any liability there?? I've seen people come out of club level on stretchers due to over consumption numerous times. Did the university have issue with that?? Don't think so.

I deal with a lot of folks at the university and you'd be surprised at how incredible the thought process can be at State College when it comes to thinking outside the box. Sometimes I scratch my head, just as those who I work with who are employed by the university.

We're still MSU. But I am amazed we pulled off the new Dude! So all is not lost. Just get those kegorators!!

Interesting. I've had Club Level seats ever since they were built, and I've never seen anybody hauled out on a stretcher. I've seen a few that had a bit too much to drink, but never have I seen anyone passed out.

 

[61dawg]

Nixed alcohol sales at MSU events. Can't understand that for the life of me based on the revenue we need being a bottom dweller in the SEC. We should take advantage of every opportunity that is allowed to bring in revenue.
We are MSU!!!

Some things are more important than more revenue. I for one hope this never happens. I can't for the life of me understand why folks think they have to have alcohol everywhere. The game lasts a couple of hours, you can't go that long without drinking? Proud of Keenum for his stand, We are MSU!

 

[RocketDawg]

Unfortunately we live in an *** backwards state where some still think enjoying an adult beverage at a sporting event will send you straight to Hell, while those same people sit there during a game eating 3 hotdogs and some BBQ nachos professing your body should be a temple. Either way, People will continue to drink during games.

Haha. You nailed it.

 

[deadheaddawg]

I've seen people come out of club level on stretchers due to over consumption numerous times. Did the university have issue with that?? Don't think so.

Did you honestly think anyone would believe this ********? If you are going to lie, put some effort into making it at least a little bit believable

 

[HotMop]

Economics don't work that way, you can't just add up some imaginary numbers and declare victory. You also have the increased cost of security, the lost sales from people who won't bring their family to a stadium full of drunk ********, fights in the stands, lawsuits from injuries, etc. I still think you are a net positive on revenue but it's not nearly what you are saying.

It boils down to the experience you want to give your fans. This is a hard choice for teams like MSU. For Ole Miss and LSU it's an easy choice because all their fans are drunk ******** already so you might as well cash the check.

Good thing there's no Alcohol at our games now so noone has to endure drunk ********. Next thing you know out players will be dancing on the field. You know what dancing brings? Prostitution! ***

 

[AlCoDog]

What if you drink adult beverages, and eat 3 hotdogs, and some BBQ nachos? Asking for a friend.

 

[bigiron.sixpack]

I've been in club level for 12 years ******* and I know what I'm talking about!! And they were on stretches from falling and hitting their heads from being too shitfaced to walk.

********. lol

 

[paindonthurt_]

This isn’t correct.
An establishment has to have an ABC license.
The ABC suggests alcohol training and they offer some programs administered by a third party but each server doesn’t have to have a “license”.
At least not in MISSISSIPPI.

 

[DAWG61]

Some things are more important than more revenue. I for one hope this never happens. I can't for the life of me understand why folks think they have to have alcohol everywhere. The game lasts a couple of hours, you can't go that long without drinking? Proud of Keenum for his stand, We are MSU!

You nor Keenum should have a say in the matter till both of you understand what binge drinking is and how allowing alcohol sales inside the stadium will reduce it.

 

[DAWG61]

Is that true of the waitresses at Applebee's, etc.?

Yes they are supposed to. You have to have an ABC license to serve an open container of alcohol to someone. The reason why is because the liability gets passed down from the restaurant onto the server/bartender so if someone sues a bar/restaurant for over serving they are actually suing the server/bartender not suing the restaurant. The ABC laws are different per state though as pointed out by paidonthurt.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Again this isn’t accurate.

https://www.dor.ms.gov/Pages/ABC-QA.aspx#49

Abt 1/3 of the way down the page and again a little past 1/2 way down.

Looks like it changed in 1999.

 

[WrapItDog]

For me, my cost to attend the game is basically the cost of the ticket, $40 worth of some pretty good bourbon, and the purchase of two cups of ice. I go to the concession twice per game and basically miss nothing. If you tell me that I now get the same amount of bourbon, but it will cost me $80, and I'll have to go wait in line 5 separate times, and also, it will be a cheap bourbon instead of a good bourbon, that's a significantly different value proposition to me.

SEC rules state: Any sales of alcoholic beverages in the public seating areas will be limited to beer and wine

 

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

Unfortunately we live in an *** backwards state where some still think enjoying an adult beverage at a sporting event will send you straight to Hell, while those same people sit there during a game eating 3 hotdogs and some BBQ nachos professing your body should be a temple. Either way, People will continue to drink during games.

This may be the best post I have ever read on SPS....lol...so true!!

 

[RPOdawg]

Some things are more important than more revenue. I for one hope this never happens. I can't for the life of me understand why folks think they have to have alcohol everywhere. The game lasts a couple of hours, you can't go that long without drinking? Proud of Keenum for his stand, We are MSU!

Ok, nerd. Idk if you drink or not(judging by this statement you just made I’m gonna say you don’t which is fine) but sporting events are more fun when you have a buzz going. Sure, you don’t need alcohol to have fun. You also don’t need shoes to run but it helps. The sell alcohol at every professional sporting event in the USA and make tons of money every year. It’s not a new concept. Let’s stop acting *** backwards and get with the times. It’s 2019 not 1962.

By the way nobody who wants to drink doesn’t go a couple of hours without drinking. They sneak it in their pocket and drink anyways. Idk if you knew that or not.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Ludicrous that this is actually an issue. Every sporting event I have been to since moving from Mississippi (1990) has alcohol for sale. If you are offended by the premise, don't drink.
This is the 21st century, good to see Mississippi finally has the chance to enter it. Good luck.

 

[johnson86-1]

SEC rules state: Any sales of alcoholic beverages in the public seating areas will be limited to beer and wine

Didn't realize that. I think that should make it a lot easier to have a win all around. People that want beer and wine will have an option now without the uncomfortable prospect of sneaking it in. I assume the university will not crack down on liquor b/c too many people that give money like having liquor drinks at the game. It still reduces some of the binge drinking before the game and maybe helps with some of the drinking in the game b/c people may not bring in as much knowing that if they run out, they can still grab a beer or wine.

Not that I would be against just having all options sold. But I do enjoy college football games a lot more than NFL, and while most of that is just caring about the team more, I also like the convenience of watching a game without having to stand in line everytime I want a drink, and I like being able to drink what I want rather than stuck with just the most popular, cheapish options.

 

[johnson86-1]

Yes they are supposed to. You have to have an ABC license to serve an open container of alcohol to someone. The reason why is because the liability gets passed down from the restaurant onto the server/bartender so if someone sues a bar/restaurant for over serving they are actually suing the server/bartender not suing the restaurant. The ABC laws are different per state though as pointed out by paidonthurt.

Too bad you weren't George Street Grocery's lawyer back in the day. Apparently they went through a lot of expensive litigation for nothing.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

Not weighing in on should we/shouldn’t we. But alcohol sales won’t make enough profit to make a difference in our budget.

Claims from the sale of alcohol are specifically excluded in general liability insurance. The university will require a liquor liability policy which wont be cheap. The insurance company will require that all servers be trained in serving alcohol. That won’t be cheap and is an ongoing expense. We’ll have to build separate vending stations for the sale of alcohol. I’ve seen pro stadiums that have some concession stands that sell beer plus concessions, so I don’t know how that works. But they always have beer-only stations which will cost money.
There will have to be an big initial capital outlay. I’m sure it’ll make a profit over time, but I’d think not enough for the hassle.

Again, I’m just speaking from the money perspective. Carry on.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

All servers of alcohol would have to get an ABC license. Insurance companies don't do jack **** other than require all servers at an establishment to get ABC licenses and any potential lawsuit would trickle down to the individual serving the beer not MSU. Good luck to any lawyer dumb enough to take on that case and trying to figure out exactly who served who and then proving they knew they were serving a visibly intoxicated individual.

I'd bet a big chunk of money that this is just wrong....I know this wasn't the case 10 years ago in MS and I'd be shocked if the laws in any state were structured such that the institution was able to pass off any liability to the uninsured server who they pay less than minimum wage. You ought to be wishing good luck to any lawyer who would invest their time trying to squeeze blood out of that turnip.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

This isn’t correct.
An establishment has to have an ABC license.
The ABC suggests alcohol training and they offer some programs administered by a third party but each server doesn’t have to have a “license”.
At least not in MISSISSIPPI.

This post is correct. The establishment must have a license through the ABC; that is all that is required. There is no such thing as a license for an individual to serve alcohol; just a license for an establishment to sell.

 

[patdog]

I'm pretty sure there aren't thousands of sporting arenas selling alcohol because it's not profitable. Trust me, the revenues will a tremendously more than the added costs will be.

 

[SirBarksalot]

Unfortunately we live in an *** backwards state where some still think enjoying an adult beverage at a sporting event will send you straight to Hell, while those same people sit there during a game eating 3 hotdogs and some BBQ nachos professing your body should be a temple. Either way, People will continue to drink during games.

4 fat people down voted you

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

I'm pretty sure there aren't thousands of sporting arenas selling alcohol because it's not profitable. Trust me, the revenues will a tremendously more than the added costs will be.

Sure, it would be profitable, but it will be a blip on our $100M budget. I doubt it would profit $1 million a year and guess it'd be closer to $500,000.

At a football game with 60,000 attendance at night, how many beers sold? I'd guess 10,000. For argument's sake, let's say 20,000. $8 a beer? $160,000 gross.

You have to hire extra staff that are 21, run background checks, and train them. That is probably 100 extra people; I can't even guess what that would cost. $20,000?

I know that walk-in coolers at a average convenience store will run $100,000. You'd need to have walk-in refrigerated storage, beer-only stations built, concession stands retro-fitted with tap equipment, what else? I'd say that is at least $1 million; w. It could be end up multi-millions.

Insurance will run an extra 1% of gross.