Insight to Iowans....

MeridianDog

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I interact with Iowa folks all the time. They are definitely Yankees.

If you can't get sweet tea in your local restaurant, you're a yankee.

I live on the north side of Clinton, MS. To Clinton folks who live a mile south of me (south of Clinton Blvd Highway 80 and College Street), I am a Yankee. You see, in the south everyone who lives North of You is a Yankee. Those you don't care for are Damn Yankees. Whether folks from Iowa are Yankees or Damn Yankees remains to be seen. At the moment it doesn't look too good for them.
 

garndawg

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This thread started off OK, but a little boring. Nice to see the fun has picked up over the weekend...

For you Hawkeyes, I've been through your state a couple of times. Might even have stopped for gas or lunch, but never overnighted. Lots of corn. BIG freaking deer laying all over the side of the interstate...

My two bits on what makes a Yankee:
- No sweet tea in your restaurants (deserved a repeat, cause it's so true)
- Wore blue in the 1860's
- Puts the apostrophe in the wrong place when spelling "ya'll". "Ya'll" is singular. Plural is "all ya'll".
- You pronounce words wrongly: "aunt" sounds like "ant"; "Caramel" is 'car-ml"; "route" is "root" and "pecan pie" is "Karo-nut pie"
- It's not 'pop' or 'soda', it's 'Coke'. Any kind is 'coke', Dr Pepper is a 'coke', so is Sprite.
- If you ask the person putting groceries into your buggy how their day is going, expect for them to tell you. At length.
 

fieldcorporal

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"Ya'll" is singular. Plural is "all ya'll".

Yall can be plural or singular, depending on context. This is what yankees don't get.



"all yall" is always plural.


 

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"Ya'll" is singular. Plural is "all ya'll".

Yall can be plural or singular, depending on context. This is what yankees don't get.



"all yall" is always plural.



"See yall later" is a standard way of saying goodbye that can address one person or thousands.
 

HawkDawg

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"You can carry the kids" does not necessarily mean to physically lift them, I discovered during a really awkward conversation with my boss back in 2013. Attention to my fellow Yankees--- it simply means that it is kid-friendly, or you can bring the kids along with you. My boss kept talking about "carry the kids" (both his kids were teenagers). I finally had to ask him what the hell he was talking about.

"Its been a minute", in the South, does not mean 60 seconds. It is the equivalent of an Iowan saying "Its been a while"

Dont' even get me started about "sucking the head"......... ;)
 

garndawg

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Y’all is the correct spellling.

Um, no.

<ahem><ahem>[Ahem]

"Y'all" is prescriptively correct, in that the contraction is in this location.

However, assuming you are referring to the vernacular of the Southeastern United States, Ya’ll is pronounced [yawl] <yawl>, as it's the extremely colloquial contraction for "ya will" and the "a" reduces to schwa because we're lazy when we speak. It has traditionally been spelled for this pronunciation, and the better spelling just grates because it ruins the pronunciation. I simply feel that the spelling change is causing pronunciation confusion and essentially leading to people butchering my native vernacular, all for the sake of putting an apostrophe in the traditionally wrong, but technically correct, place.

...Which, imho, is a stupid reason to mess with something. You learn exceptions to the rules all the time in English, and ya'll needs to remain one of those exceptions.

Yes, it is illiterate. It is a word of a person who has gone a summer without shoes, who hangs their (singular, before it was acceptable) warsh, and wears homespun and hand-sewn dresses. That is the point of its existence.

Further, if you do not accept the above, the second best reason of why it’s Ya’ll instead of Y’all is BECAUSE the dictionary spells it Y’all. You can’t let a bunch of Yankees in NYC dictate how to spell it. Consider: insist on the “ya’ll” spelling and enjoy foaming at the mouth from all northerners (i.e. Yankees).

Finally and definitively, “ya’ll” is without question the correct spelling, as that is the way Mark Twain wrote it.</yawl></ahem></ahem>
 

jethreauxdawg

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Tldr

Um, no.

<ahem><ahem>[Ahem]

"Y'all" is prescriptively correct, in that the contraction is in this location.

However, assuming you are referring to the vernacular of the Southeastern United States, Ya’ll is pronounced [yawl] <yawl>, as it's the extremely colloquial contraction for "ya will" and the "a" reduces to schwa because we're lazy when we speak. It has traditionally been spelled for this pronunciation, and the better spelling just grates because it ruins the pronunciation. I simply feel that the spelling change is causing pronunciation confusion and essentially leading to people butchering my native vernacular, all for the sake of putting an apostrophe in the traditionally wrong, but technically correct, place.

...Which, imho, is a stupid reason to mess with something. You learn exceptions to the rules all the time in English, and ya'll needs to remain one of those exceptions.

Yes, it is illiterate. It is a word of a person who has gone a summer without shoes, who hangs their (singular, before it was acceptable) warsh, and wears homespun and hand-sewn dresses. That is the point of its existence.

Further, if you do not accept the above, the second best reason of why it’s Ya’ll instead of Y’all is BECAUSE the dictionary spells it Y’all. You can’t let a bunch of Yankees in NYC dictate how to spell it. Consider: insist on the “ya’ll” spelling and enjoy foaming at the mouth from all northerners (i.e. Yankees).

Finally and definitively, “ya’ll” is without question the correct spelling, as that is the way Mark Twain wrote it.</yawl></ahem></ahem>

Proves your a dumass yankee**
Y’all it is
 

QuadrupleOption

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Um, no.

<ahem><ahem>[Ahem]

"Y'all" is prescriptively correct, in that the contraction is in this location.

However, assuming you are referring to the vernacular of the Southeastern United States, Ya’ll is pronounced [yawl] <yawl>, as it's the extremely colloquial contraction for "ya will" and the "a" reduces to schwa because we're lazy when we speak. It has traditionally been spelled for this pronunciation, and the better spelling just grates because it ruins the pronunciation. I simply feel that the spelling change is causing pronunciation confusion and essentially leading to people butchering my native vernacular, all for the sake of putting an apostrophe in the traditionally wrong, but technically correct, place.

...Which, imho, is a stupid reason to mess with something. You learn exceptions to the rules all the time in English, and ya'll needs to remain one of those exceptions.

Yes, it is illiterate. It is a word of a person who has gone a summer without shoes, who hangs their (singular, before it was acceptable) warsh, and wears homespun and hand-sewn dresses. That is the point of its existence.

Further, if you do not accept the above, the second best reason of why it’s Ya’ll instead of Y’all is BECAUSE the dictionary spells it Y’all. You can’t let a bunch of Yankees in NYC dictate how to spell it. Consider: insist on the “ya’ll” spelling and enjoy foaming at the mouth from all northerners (i.e. Yankees).

Finally and definitively, “ya’ll” is without question the correct spelling, as that is the way Mark Twain wrote it.</yawl></ahem></ahem>

Incorrect. Y'all is a contraction of 'you all'. Mark Twain was born in Missouri, moved to the Northeast as an adult, and died in Connecticut. He wouldn't have known Southern slang if it bit him in the ***.

I'll be damned if I let my native tongue be co-opted by some long-dead Yankee and his sycophants!
 

garndawg

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Ya'll are still wrong...

First time I saw that 'other' spelling was about the time the Olympics were awarded to Atlanta and all the northeast advertisers were trying to profit on 'southern charm' angles.

Spell it how you want, but you're just letting them carpetbag us all over again...
 

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"Ya'll" is singular. Plural is "all ya'll".

Yall can be plural or singular, depending on context. This is what yankees don't get.





"all yall" is always plural.



I feel compelled to weigh in on this. This response is not just to this post but others in the thread as well.

I was born and raised in rural Mississippi so far in the sticks you had to pipe in sunshine. I left MS in my mid 20s and have since lived 30+ years in several southern states in both rural and suburban settings. I feel qualified to comment on this subject.

1. I use the term 'yall' every day of my life and have for as long as I can remember I don't EVER at anytime in my life recall using 'yall' to refer to a single individual. That was always a hallmark of fake southern accents on TV or movies. When referring to just one person it was always 'you', more than one was 'yall' and maybe 'all yall' to a group of indeterminate size. I have used 'yall' to refer to a singular entity such as a football team as in, "Who do yall play Saturday" or "When do yall go back to school" when speaking to one person but obviously referring to the entire institution.

2. 'Y'all' is a contraction of 'you-all' not 'you-will' as someone else has said. Therefore it should be y'all. Ya'll doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

3. Again, I have lived in the deep south my entire 58 years and personally I have never gotten the notion that southerners refers to all soft drinks as 'coke'. I have never done it myself nor have I ever witnessed it in widespread usage. When I order a 'coke' I have my entire life expected a coke or at least a cola. If I wanted a sprite I ordered a sprite or Dr Pepper or whatever. I might have gotten pepsi on occasion when ordering a coke, especially in the carolinas, but never, ever recall anybody asking me 'what kind' when I asked for a coke.

I am sure others have different experiences but these are mine.

 
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fieldcorporal

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you let the cat out of the bag.

Both are long-running jokes to keep the yankees confused...

whippersnapper.
 

West Tn Dawg

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3. Again, I have lived in the deep south my entire 58 years and personally I have never gotten the notion that southerners refers to all soft drinks as 'coke'. I have never done it myself nor have I ever witnessed it in widespread usage. When I order a 'coke' I have my entire life expected a coke or at least a cola. If I wanted a sprite I ordered a sprite or Dr Pepper or whatever. I might have gotten pepsi on occasion when ordering a coke, especially in the carolinas, but never, ever recall anybody asking me 'what kind' when I asked for a coke.

I am sure others have different experiences but these are mine.


I have been asked many times if I wanted a Coke and when I replied "YES", I was then asked what kind do you want?
 

dickiedawg

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I don't think the Bulldogs have "shocked the hell out of" anyone since 2014. Auburn was pretty shocking this year after the way we played to start the season, but it turns out Auburn just wasn't that great of a football team.
 

Salaunese

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Tough to do that with 10-11 year old kids. My dad used to make me go with him an park the truck at our tailgates at 6am for the 1pm kickoffs when I was a kid. I live in Minnesota, 3.5 hours away from Iowa City, so 11am kickoffs are a pain in the rear.
 

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QuadrupleOption

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Ya'll are still wrong...

First time I saw that 'other' spelling was about the time the Olympics were awarded to Atlanta and all the northeast advertisers were trying to profit on 'southern charm' angles.

Spell it how you want, but you're just letting them carpetbag us all over again...

To establish my bonafides, I was born and raised in Mississippi and still live here. I have no idea how anyone from the North would spell a word they don't use, nor do I care.

I'm just saying that using "ya will" in a sentence doesn't make any sense - the description you used of the "proper" spelling of y'all just doesn't work.

The sentence "What do y'all want for supper" makes perfect sense if you replace "y'all" with "you all". It makes no sense if you replace "y'all" with "ya will". I mean none. Whoever initially wrote that argument for "correct" spelling of y'all was just wrong.

Bless their heart.
 

Junction John

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Auburn. A&M is shocked every time we play them lately. LSU last year.

I don't think KSU expected us to come into their house and treat them like that. We nearly gave Bama an aneurysm last year (damnit.)

I was shocked that we beat Louisville with no coach.

Point is, we can be Jekyll or Hyde.
 
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I have been asked many times if I wanted a Coke and when I replied "YES", I was then asked what kind do you want?

What happens when you want a real Coke tho?
Does it go like this?-

Waitress: "Wha cha'll drinkin, honey?"
Yankee customer: "Uh, I'll take a Coke please"
Waitress: "What kind?"
Yank: "Coke"
Waitress: "Haha I heard ya honey, but what KIND of Coke ya'll want?"
Yank: "Uh, the Coke kind of coke. I guess?"
Waitress: "So ya'll want a Coke Coke, got it."
 

jethreauxdawg

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In the south it goes like this

Waitress: "Whatch drinkin, honey?"
customer: "Coke, please"
Waitress: "What kind?"
Customer: "Coke"
Waitress: "I’ll be right back, Sugar.” Flashes big smile.

Very simple.
 

HawkDawg

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Start tailgating at 7-8 for a 11 o’clock game????
Bunch of pansies

As stated earlier, I've experienced tailgating at MSU. Don't take offense, but it isn't even close to the same experience as in Iowa City. The only other tailgating I've seen close was LSU when we played them in the Capital One Bowl back in the day.
 

JML105

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What happens when you want a real Coke tho?
Does it go like this?-

Waitress: "Wha cha'll drinkin, honey?"
Yankee customer: "Uh, I'll take a Coke please"
Waitress: "What kind?"
Yank: "Coke"
Waitress: "Haha I heard ya honey, but what KIND of Coke ya'll want?"
Yank: "Uh, the Coke kind of coke. I guess?"
Waitress: "So ya'll want a Coke Coke, got it."

First of all, you're still spelling y'all wrong.

Second, if you want a real Coke at a restaurant (or someone's house), you ask for a Cocacola. If you want a Sprite, you ask for a Sprite, etc, etc.

When Coke is used to describe all soft drinks, it goes something like this...

Guy shows up to tailgate: Hey y'all, I brought some cokes.
People at tailgate: What kind?
Guy: Some Sprites and regular Cokes for mixers.


Yankees shouldn't try to understand such things. Just keeping calling it pop and soda and move along.
 

thekimmer

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I have been asked many times if I wanted a Coke and when I replied "YES", I was then asked what kind do you want?

I do believe you but I lived in MS for 26 years and so far another 30 in 3 other deep south states and I don't ever remember having such a conversation.

My recollection as a kid is that soft drinks were referred to generically as 'dranks' more than anything and the real-thing was never a 'coke' it was always a 'co-cola(er)' . Such as, "Earl I'm going to the store. You want me to get YOU (not yall) a cold drank?" Yeah, brang me a short co-cola if you would."
 
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"You can carry the kids" does not necessarily mean to physically lift them, I discovered during a really awkward conversation with my boss back in 2013. Attention to my fellow Yankees--- it simply means that it is kid-friendly, or you can bring the kids along with you. My boss kept talking about "carry the kids" (both his kids were teenagers). I finally had to ask him what the hell he was talking about.

"Its been a minute", in the South, does not mean 60 seconds. It is the equivalent of an Iowan saying "Its been a while"

Dont' even get me started about "sucking the head"......... ;)

Its not just kids. 'Carry' simply means to transport and it applies to all ages.
 

hdogg

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The coke thing is embarrassingly stupid. I heard the same speech in college and thought they were an idiot.
Coke is coke
Dr pepper is dr pepper
Mtn dew is mtn dew

Please let this idiocy stop. Please.
 

jethreauxdawg

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Lighten up, Francis. I think most people understand this is mostly a joke with our new yankee friends, but I’ve had the coke, what kind, sprite conversation many times in my life.
 

jethreauxdawg

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As stated earlier, I've experienced tailgating at MSU. Don't take offense, but it isn't even close to the same experience as in Iowa City. The only other tailgating I've seen close was LSU when we played them in the Capital One Bowl back in the day.
I can’t disagree with you because I’ve never been to Iowa, but what year did you attend a tailgate at MSU? Also, LSU tailgating is the best, I bet their bowl tailgate was good, but no where near the home atmosphere.
 

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I feel compelled to weigh in on this. This response is not just to this post but others in the thread as well.

I was born and raised in rural Mississippi so far in the sticks you had to pipe in sunshine. I left MS in my mid 20s and have since lived 30+ years in several southern states in both rural and suburban settings. I feel qualified to comment on this subject.

1. I use the term 'yall' every day of my life and have for as long as I can remember I don't EVER at anytime in my life recall using 'yall' to refer to a single individual. That was always a hallmark of fake southern accents on TV or movies. When referring to just one person it was always 'you', more than one was 'yall' and maybe 'all yall' to a group of indeterminate size. I have used 'yall' to refer to a singular entity such as a football team as in, "Who do yall play Saturday" or "When do yall go back to school" when speaking to one person but obviously referring to the entire institution.

2. 'Y'all' is a contraction of 'you-all' not 'you-will' as someone else has said. Therefore it should be y'all. Ya'll doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

3. Again, I have lived in the deep south my entire 58 years and personally I have never gotten the notion that southerners refers to all soft drinks as 'coke'. I have never done it myself nor have I ever witnessed it in widespread usage. When I order a 'coke' I have my entire life expected a coke or at least a cola. If I wanted a sprite I ordered a sprite or Dr Pepper or whatever. I might have gotten pepsi on occasion when ordering a coke, especially in the carolinas, but never, ever recall anybody asking me 'what kind' when I asked for a coke.

I am sure others have different experiences but these are mine.


I agree ... y'all is always plural. I grew up in the "city" (Meridian ... it was a nice place back then), and I don't think I've ever heard anybody say "all y'all".

There's nothing wrong with the contraction, and its use has spread a little wider than the south, and in normal usage, not just in jest. I think it's thought of by many to be a sign of illiteracy simply because it's a Southern term.
 

RocketDawg

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I don't think KSU expected us to come into their house and treat them like that. We nearly gave Bama an aneurysm last year (damnit.)

I was shocked that we beat Louisville with no coach.

Point is, we can be Jekyll or Hyde.

May've led to their coach retiring too. We have a record of teams firing their coach immediately after being beat by us.
 

RocketDawg

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Great stuff.
I'll add some to the chip on their shoulder part. Iowa fans won't want to admit it, but some sure have a little bit of an inferiority complex. They think Iowa football doesn't get the respect they should.
Well, I say we certainly do get the respect we should!
I'd say most football fans see Iowa football as:
a good brand, tough, well coached football team who often times is pretty dang good especially at their place in Kinnick. Oh yeah, with a huge fan base.

Is that so bad?

How large is "huge"? Iowa is just slightly larger in population than Mississippi, and each state has two major universities. Using just that data, you'd think the fanbases would be about the same.

On a good day (playing Alabama or maybe Texas A&M with Johnny Football), we'll have about 63K, a full house, at a game, and so will Ole Miss. Is the attendance at Iowa and ISU larger or about the same? I don't really know how the two schools are relative to one another.
 

RocketDawg

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Incorrect. Y'all is a contraction of 'you all'. Mark Twain was born in Missouri, moved to the Northeast as an adult, and died in Connecticut. He wouldn't have known Southern slang if it bit him in the ***.

I'll be damned if I let my native tongue be co-opted by some long-dead Yankee and his sycophants!

Missouri is quasi-Southern, but not so much up around Florida and Hannibal ... kind of St. Louis and south. The bootheel is most definitely Southern.