in relation to fundraising, facilities, etc - would MSU ever get to a 10 win/year average?
What would it take to get there? Could it get to 10 wins/season average?
What would it take to get there? Could it get to 10 wins/season average?
Twitter discussion from yesterday - in it's current state...
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10 wins/season average? How many teams in the country do that? 4, 5? Now imagine those teams played in the SEC West.
Anyone wanting to average 10 wins a year is saying they want us to become Alabama. That's silly.
Anyone wanting to average 10 wins a year is saying they want us to become Alabama. That's silly.
Don't think it will ever happen. As stated before, not many teams are able to accomplish a 10 win a year average. Averaging 8 is a real accomplishment with the prospect of winning 10+ every 3 or 4 years. But we havent even got to that point... yet. In recent years it has felt like we were on the cusp of something but never had all the pieces. Mullen is finally getting his type of QB's committing which is huge. That will lead to better WR's committing and so on. With the destruction of the guys up north, we should be able to mop up a majority of in-state talent for the next few years which will make us even stronger. Sometime turning the corner is a slow process, especially playing in the SEC WEST, but I feel like we are well on our way to making that turn. Thank you Rebels for giving this transition a boost!
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Not gonna happen
Quickly - name the schools that have "averaged" 10 wins for the last 5 years, 10 years?
This will be a pretty damned short list if we we only include Power 5 Conference Teams for a 10 year or more period. My guess would be less than 5.
We have actually averaged 8 wins per year 2010-2016 (56 wins in 7 years). We just need to avoid falling below 6 regular season wins EVER.
More realistic would be to consistently average 9 wins per year.
Quickly - name the schools that have "averaged" 10 wins for the last 5 years, 10 years?
This will be a pretty damned short list if we we only include Power 5 Conference Teams for a 10 year or more period. My guess would be less than 5.
We have actually averaged 8 wins per year 2010-2016 (56 wins in 7 years). We just need to avoid falling below 6 regular season wins EVER.
More realistic would be to consistently average 9 wins per year.
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I think those EXPECTING a 10 win per season average will be chasing coaches in perpetuity. I saw Hadad's discussion on twitter and why he's arguing with those fools is beyond me. Having the 13th athletic budget in dollar amounts but 3rd best record among SEC teams in the last several years is waaaaay overachieving. Give the budget another 25 - 50 mill per year and what you do is cut out your down years and move your floor up from 5 to 8 and you'll average about 9. Every so often you'll get to 12 with that kind of budget. To go 10-2 every year is damn difficult when playing Bama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, etc every. single. year.
Averaging 10 wins is not a reasonable expectation. There are literally only 3 teams in the country that have averaged 10 wins per season in this millennium.
Since 2000 (thru 2016):
Team: Total Wins (Avg)
Boise St: 186 (10.9)
Oklahoma: 183 (10 .8)eight)
Ohio State: 181 (10.6)
LSU: 168 (9.9)
ALabama: 165 (9.7)
USC: 164 (9.6)
Florida State: 163 (9.6)
Oregon: 160 (9.4)
Florida: 156 (9.2)
Clemson: 155 (9.1)
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Boise State should not even be considered for this conversation. We would be averaging 10 wins per year in that league.
That must have been a stimulating conversation on Twitter. Hate I missed it.
It's the wrong question. A better question is what has to happen for us to make a move to the next level. There was a decent discussion about that on elitedawgs the other day.
It's the wrong question. A better question is what has to happen for us to make a move to the next level. There was a decent discussion about that on elitedawgs the other day.
I did the math on this earlier this summer... In the 30 years before Mullen arrived, we had an average record of 5 wins and 6 losses.
In Mullen's eight years, he's essentially bumped that floor up by two wins a year. In his eight years, we're at an average record of 7.6 wins and 5 losses... which basically says we're a 7-5 team with the opportunity to win an 8th game in a bowl game (which we've won more often that not under Mullen).
Given our history and the conference we play in, that two game bump is pretty impressive. But to think we can bump that average up another three games anytime soon, again given the conference we play in and the lack of resources we have relative to most of those other schools, is just wishful thinking.
In Mullen's eight years, he's essentially bumped that floor up by two wins a year. In his eight years, we're at an average record of 7.6 wins and 5 losses... which basically says we're a 7-5 team with the opportunity to win an 8th game in a bowl game (which we've won more often that not under Mullen).
Given our history and the conference we play in, that two game bump is pretty impressive. But to think we can bump that average up another three games anytime soon, again given the conference we play in and the lack of resources we have relative to most of those other schools, is just wishful thinking.
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What is the next level? We currently average 8 wins/season if you take out Mullen's first season.
Next level is 9-10.
Next level is 9-10.
No
Not enough money
Terrible in state economy
Terrible geography
Subpar HS coaching in state
need enrollment to get to 30k and have a reason for alums to stay in state. Cannot really change some of this
how many schools avg 10 wins with less than 80k capacity
eta- i consider number of wins to be reg season. Bowls dont count
Not enough money
Terrible in state economy
Terrible geography
Subpar HS coaching in state
need enrollment to get to 30k and have a reason for alums to stay in state. Cannot really change some of this
how many schools avg 10 wins with less than 80k capacity
eta- i consider number of wins to be reg season. Bowls dont count
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Oregon has Phil Knight's money, and can't stay there. Oklahoma State has T. Boone Pickens' money, and can't stay there. It takes a rare combination of 'things' to be a consistent 10 win a year team.
We can be an 8 win program and win an SEC Championship with a ‘lightning in the bottle’ year. We’ll never win 100 games in 10 years, IMO.
The problem is the gap between a Dan Mullen coached team and legitimate contender. We always seem to lose those games by 3+ TDs. I think MSU football could have a higher ceiling than that while averaging 8 wins per year.
The problem is the gap between a Dan Mullen coached team and legitimate contender. We always seem to lose those games by 3+ TDs. I think MSU football could have a higher ceiling than that while averaging 8 wins per year.
I have my doubts... but maybe.
How long has he been propping up Oklahoma State? I'd be curious to know how long it took them to rise after he got involved. They've obviously been a half-step outside the top tier for the last 9-10 years but their average win total since 2000 is "only" 7.7 wins per season.
The Miles to Gundy transition worked for them but it'll be interesting to see how they fare once Gundy is gone.
How long has he been propping up Oklahoma State? I'd be curious to know how long it took them to rise after he got involved. They've obviously been a half-step outside the top tier for the last 9-10 years but their average win total since 2000 is "only" 7.7 wins per season.
The Miles to Gundy transition worked for them but it'll be interesting to see how they fare once Gundy is gone.
The difference between 8 and 9 wins per season is a lot bigger than the difference between 7 and 8 wins. The difference between 9 and 10 wins is even bigger. In the last 10 years, only 4 schools have averaged 9.5 wins per year. 8 averaged from 8.5-9.5, 15 from 7.5-8.5, and 27 from 6.5-7.5. The higher you go, the harder it is to make that jump to the next level.
Edit: BTW, we're at 67-48 and UMiss is at 61-53 in the last 10 years.
Edit: BTW, we're at 67-48 and UMiss is at 61-53 in the last 10 years.
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It hasn't kept Ok State in the 10 win per year class. Close, but not quite there. So I'd say no. Even if we did have a fan like that, we'd find some way to piss him off.
To me the next level is being more competitive against the upper echelon teams year in and year out. We are close right now. Just need to recruit slightly better at a couple of skill positions like WR and Corner.
Yep, I agree with this. Saban retiring would certainly help things. Their roster is so ridiculous right now. Overall, the SEC is down as far as coaches. Key's senior year would be a great time to make a run. Need to build a team to make a run for the West in 2020 while winning 8 games a year along the way.
He made his first huge donation, $165 million, after the 2005 season. Three years later they were 9-4. Five years later they were 12-1. They have had a couple of missteps, but they've won 10 games each of the last two seasons, so four double-digit win seasons since 2010. They had enjoyed three such seasons in their entire history prior to 2010.
Phil Knight was already doing quite a bit for Oregon when he donated 100 million in 2007 to the Ducks. After that donation, Oregon, which was already enjoying success but not consistently, reeled off seven straight double digit win seasons before it came to a halt last year and they fired their coach. If Chip Kelly hadn't been stupid and got caught using a runner, they'd still be rolling, I have no doubt.
This is literally one of the stupidest arguments ever. College football is a business. What business doesn't do well when it receives a huge injection of capital and puts people who understand how to use that money effectively in charge? MSU is already doing that latter part, we are dead last in budgets but our sports are by and large in really good shape. I'm supposed to believe that a monster donation wouldn't benefit the athletic department immensely and help level the playing field with the traditional powers of the conference?
Phil Knight was already doing quite a bit for Oregon when he donated 100 million in 2007 to the Ducks. After that donation, Oregon, which was already enjoying success but not consistently, reeled off seven straight double digit win seasons before it came to a halt last year and they fired their coach. If Chip Kelly hadn't been stupid and got caught using a runner, they'd still be rolling, I have no doubt.
This is literally one of the stupidest arguments ever. College football is a business. What business doesn't do well when it receives a huge injection of capital and puts people who understand how to use that money effectively in charge? MSU is already doing that latter part, we are dead last in budgets but our sports are by and large in really good shape. I'm supposed to believe that a monster donation wouldn't benefit the athletic department immensely and help level the playing field with the traditional powers of the conference?
The jump we need to take is that we need to boost our max potential in the outlier years. Right now our outlier year max is 10-2. We need to get to the point where that once every 8-10 year outlier is 11-1 or 12-0. That’s a lot easier job than averaging 10 wins per year. And if we can sustain this level of recruiting, that will be in reach.
I don't disagree with your logic but I think any investment in Mississippi State would have to be accompanied by an investment in Starkville (which you know the blue hairs in the community would fight tooth and nail). We're the smallest town in the SEC. Other than Oxford, it isn't close - every other SEC town has at least 3x the population.
Stillwater is double the size of Starkville. Eugene has 160,000 people in it. So those aren't exactly apples-to-apples comparisons.
I love Starkville. I left a larger city to move back here last year. But it's not dishonest to say that its small size can work against us in recruiting.
Stillwater is double the size of Starkville. Eugene has 160,000 people in it. So those aren't exactly apples-to-apples comparisons.
I love Starkville. I left a larger city to move back here last year. But it's not dishonest to say that its small size can work against us in recruiting.
Slight Hijack: Could Saban and his staff could average 10 wins in Starkville? That's damn near what it would take. If Daddy Warbucks hired Saban away from Bama, do you think he could do it. Because he's about the only person on the planet that could.
No. I don't think it would help significantly as money is not the only limiting factor. But as a fundraiser - I would never turn it down.
I just disagree. We've gotten this far with all these disadvantages, a massive influx of capital would put us over the top. Especially when you consider we can't change the location of the school or the talent pool in-state.
I only have the two examples, but both of those programs took a big step forward with those donations. If you can find a program that received similar money from a single booster and didn't flourish, I'd like to see it.
I only have the two examples, but both of those programs took a big step forward with those donations. If you can find a program that received similar money from a single booster and didn't flourish, I'd like to see it.
Those programs received that money before the huge TV deals. We have a mini-T. Boone Pickens and he's called the SEC Network.
Also, I know we don't have the most storied history, but Oregon was rock bottom. It's was easier to move from where they were to where they are; compared with where we are now to where you are talking about us going. See patdog's post, the next jump is extremely difficult and it really comes down to recruiting.
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