The foul call
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Other than minimal contact and the Girl whipping her head back like am NFL linebacker hit her…
It was a bad call at the critical junction of the Game. You guys continue trying to sell it and get responses.
It was one that could go either way. What we aren’t likely considering is how the game was being played and called to that point. If the girl from UConn was doing those types of things throughout the game, it’s dangerous territory. Regardless, the call is the call. Happens all season long in tight games.
Best honest basketball discussion thread I've seen here in a while. Unfortunately, I didn't watch the game, so I don't have anything to add. But kudos to all of you - some of the most knowledgeable basketball fans in the country.
Best call I ever seen made by an official!
Changed my mind on women officiating.
Changed my mind on women officiating.
Haha In comparison, that girl was an NFL linebacker. I like Marshall…she’s constantly getting thrown around and knocked down with no whistle. Tough player.
The whole debate on calls being dependent upon the timing of the game is a debate that we shouldn’t even have to have in the first place if the NCAA gave two flips about the standards of consistency w officiating in todays college game.
The problem is they let illegal screens happen all the time. Call them consistently.
You're delusional then. If you don't call fouls at the end it just invites teams to play absolute bully ball with a chance to tie/win. If you "should let the players decide it" you'll just get bad screens, push offs, clear outs for offensive board etc.. letting the players decide it should mean they still have to play clean on offense or their failure to was part of the reason they lost.
Again, how would you feel if it was UK defending it and then a tarhole or dookie hit a game winner after that?
You don’t watch it if this is your take. Or you don’t know the rules. Either way you are totally wrong. UConn girl jumped 4 feet into here and threw her elbow up.
That was the final game, no more games to be played. I don’t say they rigged it, I said ESPN is very happy Iowa won.
ESPN is in the business of making money, they are happy Iowa won.
And you have obviously been following, and the ratings will be through the roof for a women’s championship game, not so much had UCONN won. So yes ESPN is very happy that Iowa won.
If you took the time to look at all tv angles of the play it’s the most blatant moving screen you can possibly make. It had to be called - if for example the UCONN player made it on the way to basket and Clark took her arm off on the shot - do you not make that call? Why we acting like it wasn’t a 100% moving screen ?
The optics of the officiating crew in regards to the makeup of the two teams is rather interesting landing one to question whether it was incompetence or bias. That’s all I’ll say
So ESPN dictates things? Glad we’ve settled on this after wrongfully including Alabama in the CFP.
It is wild that the winningest women’s program is apparently somehow not a draw. Shows the power of Clark.
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Now let that happen 50 more times to the Uconn men's and women's teams and the universe will be back in sync. They have already gotten all the luck they could ever deserve.
Where did you get ESPN dictates things out of my post? I said ESPN is very happy that Iowa won. Yes, Clark is by far the biggest draw in college basketball, men included.So ESPN dictates things? Glad we’ve settled on this after wrongfully including Alabama in the CFP.
It is wild that the winningest women’s program is apparently somehow not a draw. Shows the power of Clark.
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It was a foul. Uconn had basically knocked an Iowa player down a few plays earlier to get the ball with no call. (I was having flashbacks to our Uconn game again) , which allowed them to close the gap on the scoreboard. So all in all I saw no problem with it. Their center should haven't been setting a screen out there anyway as they were only down 1.
I assume SC will win tomorrow but most of their schedule has been beating up on bad teams. They played UConn without Cardosa before UConn started to click post injuries. But other than that- just LSU in the title game. Should’ve lost to a bad Tennessee team, and Indiana played them within four. There was no one good on the left side of the bracket so they’ve cake walked though this outside of the Indiana game.
So can Iowa win? Yeah. Is it likely? No. Either way- best possible national title matchup.
So can Iowa win? Yeah. Is it likely? No. Either way- best possible national title matchup.
I didn’t watch the game so I don’t know how the rest of the game was called. The one thing players want is consistency set from early in the game throughout the game. I did see the replays and that was a moving screen. The only argument would be if they weren’t calling that throughout and it’s my understanding that UCONN had 3 or 4 moving screens in the game so they should have known better.
“Not one single play wins or loses a basketball game. … We should have done a better job, I should have done a better job, leaving the game up to chance,” Paige Bueckers of U. Conn said, per Cole Stefan of The Daily Campus.
I couldn't of said it better myself except I did 3 pages back!
I couldn't of said it better myself except I did 3 pages back!
You cannot take out the player that is helping your sport. Pretty much it. Viewership drops if you lose Clark.
And yet, if Edwards doesn’t do that, what were they going to do if UConn just hit a three there without a screen?
If the refs were favoring Iowa, they wouldn’t have even been in a position to lose there considering they were up 9 just a few minutes prior.
If not called, that big gal was rolling to the basket for what could have been an easy pass and layup. That wouldn’t have been fair either.
Nope. I didn't say that or infer it. I do think refs have biases and maybe that affected the call but we will never really know.
“However, in this case, I honestly think that ESPN and others wanted Iowa to advance to continue the Clark story.“
I’m not sure how else to take this comment, but you do you.
Even some big names thought it was a bad call:
it was a foul. They called UCONN for three or four during the game. The problem I have is this, they did not call any moving screens on Iowa. The refs was consistent in calling moving screens all game,,, on UCONN, but not Iowa, that is where I have a problem. Call it consistent, on BOTH teams.
LOL I replied to this comment: When Duke or the UConn women get a foul called, ESPN gets upset.
Context is everything!
Now, does my comment make sense? Of course ESPN wanted Iowa to advance and so did a lot of others. I didn't say that they had anything to do with the call but that they were happy to keep the Clark story going. It has been a boom for business.
All 3 analysts were UCONN alums. Taurasi argument of it being bad timing and “she didn’t even get open from it” was an irrelevant homer take that just unnecessarily adds to the “controversy” of what was a textbook call.
I’lll admit that I don’t watch much women’s basketball, but I checked this play out after seeing headlines about the controversy. After watching it, I’m not sure why it’s even being debated. The UConn player blew up the defender by setting a screen that was still moving, with a stance in which her left foot/leg came out way past her shoulder, and with her elbow extended and making contact. That’s pretty much all the things you can’t do on a screen rolled up into one play. Clearly a foul that had to be called.
Illegal screen. A screener can be moving as long as they are moving in the same direction. A screen is either illegal or legal. On that play the screener was completely outside of her vertical plane. Her legs were spread apart and she made contact with the defender. She also initiated contact with the defender. When screening a moving opponent time and distance are a factor. You must allow the defender no more than 2 steps to avoid the screen. The screener also extended her elbow out and made contact. This was the right call and a great call. I am a 27 year basketball official.
Of course they do. There’s also a certain group who does not like Clark or her fans, downplays her talent and accomplishments and are pro Reese with every take.
It’s pretty impossible to ignore if you’ve read the comment section of any Clark and Reese post the last year.
Thank you!
Do you think it was the elbow that made it more glaringly obvious for the official to call or just the moving aspect of it?
This is dumb. The 3.9 seconds shouldn’t make a damn bit of difference. If it is a clear foul, then the call should be made regardless of how much time is on the clock.
And this plainly WAS a clear foul. I don’t know how anyone who knows basketball could watch that replay posted earlier in this thread and still deny it. It fits the textbook definition of an illegal moving screen.
Honestly, I think this whole pseudo “controversy” is largely ESPN created. Because controversy helps with clicks/ratings, ESPN very clearly tried to stir this one up in the immediate post-game show and on their website … laughably by interviewing former UCONN players … and got a lot of gullible lemmings to jump on board with them.
If ESPN hadn’t done that, I doubt many would be debating this today. Because it really shouldn’t be controversial. A ref made a correct call at a big moment, so what?
Meh it’s America, that gives squatters rights; of course their feelings are hurt ON THE CORRECT CALL. Oh wait I get it. The last minute of the game should be a free for all no holds barred. Brass knuckles, guns, knives, punches…anything goes.
See how ridiculous that sounds. Almost as much as “That’s not a foul”. Or “How could they call that”
See how ridiculous that sounds. Almost as much as “That’s not a foul”. Or “How could they call that”
When you want Iowa to lose and the chance has slipped away, it’s going to outrage the fan aspect of a lot of people. Clark has a ton of haters who are vicariously living through every team that plays them.
Everything is confirmation to them. All calls for them are bad, all calls against Iowa are good. The same fans who were LSU fans and who were UConn fans last night will be South Carolina fans tomorrow.