Let's just stop singing the national anthem
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Yeah, this would've been easily avoidable.
Move the anthem up to 11:50 when the teams are still in the locker room... problem solved.
Move the anthem up to 11:50 when the teams are still in the locker room... problem solved.
I think the solution
is to just give all of these players leave so that they can spend their time and money, making their neighborhoods better and preventing the problems they speak of.
is to just give all of these players leave so that they can spend their time and money, making their neighborhoods better and preventing the problems they speak of.
All solutions start within
No one can fix my problems if I dont start the process first and be apart of the solution
No one can fix my problems if I dont start the process first and be apart of the solution
The greatest injustice here to me is to the 350,000 or so men who died fighting under the American flag to free the slaves. These "protests" are about a few dozen who (rightfully so in some cases) that were killed under questionable circumstances by police. To me it's like throwing the baby out with the bath water. These rich athletes could use their millions to help thousands of people but instead are participating in something that could take that ability away from them due to lost income. The whole thing is absurd.
Trump’s comments made this situation way worse. Goodell and the NFLPA had to issue statements yesterday and today the Steelers didn’t even take the field for the anthem.
There was no reason to throw fuel on this fire.
There was no reason to throw fuel on this fire.
I wish I could join you but I stopped all but the playoffs and Super Bowl years ago. The NFL regular season reminds me of professional wrasslin. Last year I cut the playoffs and Super Bowl also and didn't miss it one bit.
I think most of the increase today is in response to ‘devisive’ comments from Trump. I don’t think today is really about racial inequality.
Thats what I meant. Today wasn't about a "cause". It was to respond to the president. Well the president didn't write the anthem. He doesnt have a copyright on it. He doesn't get royalties from its playing. They are not disrespecting Trump. They are disrespecting what the anthem stands for. And they did it because they wanted to get back at the president.
And the comments weren't really 'devisive' if there are millions of people that agree with the sentiment.
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It may have started as a small BLM movement, but now it has turned into a Trump protest.
I agree with the rights of private organizations to restrict speech on company time, however they choose. Also fine with individuals boycotting whatever they want.
But when the government, or President, criticizes a protest, or encourages an economic boycott against a private company due to speech, than that is a 1st amendment violation.
I agree with the rights of private organizations to restrict speech on company time, however they choose. Also fine with individuals boycotting whatever they want.
But when the government, or President, criticizes a protest, or encourages an economic boycott against a private company due to speech, than that is a 1st amendment violation.
They are millions of Americans that disagree with his comments. That’s what makes the divisive.
He also went after player safety ruining “beautiful tackles” too. There was really no need for any of this.
He also went after player safety ruining “beautiful tackles” too. There was really no need for any of this.
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So many thoughts on this. First, I fully support players exercising their First Amendment rights. I do not agree with this form of protest, but I support their right to do it. However, that means that owners are free to take whatever actions they see fit. If it's about racial injustice, protesting the national anthem is a very STUPID way to go about it. Do these players not realize that African Americans make up a disproportionately large number of our armed forces? They disrespect those brave men and women every time they take a knee. Second, our president is not exactly a calming presence during these times. Wish he had a more measured approach to some things. Lastly, police use of force needs a complete overhaul. HOWEVER, most of the high profile cases in the news have been "good shoots." The one in Minnesota was deplorable, and I would have had no problem with convicting that officer of 2nd degree murder. Police officers have their guns in their hands way too often, and I say this as someone who has law enforcement experience. At the same time, there are many people who think that it's okay to physically resist an officer in their duties. Don't do that. Don't ever do that. Rant over.
Not to mention he campaigned in Pennsylvania on "when I'm president, that Joe Paterno statue is coming back up." Then he narrowly won the state. What a sick, sick man and a sick, sick state.
Hey, I have an idea... let's just stop raising the flag altogether. Next we can do away with the Statue of Liberty, the 4th of July, and bald eagles while we're at it.
So everything every president says is devisive? Cause that's kinda how it goes. Millions agree and millions disagree.
You have a knack for taking stupid "devisive" postions - a la Tim Tebow...you're batting 100%.
His campaign instincts are pretty advanced. His governing instincts are pretty retarded. Unfortunately, it has become essentially unnecessary to govern in order to earn a second term. He'll keep on campaigning and raising money and not worry about governing.
Trump opened his mouth and got a response. He did the art of the deal, in his mind, which was a challenge to bow down to him and his ideology using the national anthem as a toll of execution. Many decided not to be his "Uncle Tom" and postured themselves accordingly.
The "devisive" act is the first act of kneeling. Commenting on it is not divisive because the division has already been done.
Kneeling for the national anthem is just like flying the stars and bars or flying a swastika. No matter what you intend it to mean it cannot overcome what it has become to mean. For most of Americans that act can never mean anything other than you hate America. I can't break out a swastika and say I am doing it to promote love throughout the world even if that is what I intend it to mean.
Kneeling for the national anthem is just like flying the stars and bars or flying a swastika. No matter what you intend it to mean it cannot overcome what it has become to mean. For most of Americans that act can never mean anything other than you hate America. I can't break out a swastika and say I am doing it to promote love throughout the world even if that is what I intend it to mean.
They are 17ing BALL PLAYERS!
This country made pro athletes into demi-gods when most of them are stupid as ****.
Same thing goes for film and music stars. Most of them are treated like royalty and dumb as a 17ing rock.
Why are people even listening? When I was a kid astronaut and research scientists were the heroes. Now it is morons on the pedestal.
As far as Trump goes, they are just protesting themselves for letting a clown get elected with their own superiority complex by putting up the most corrupt and divisive candidate they had for President. If they wanted to have a woman elected, they had better candidates.
And the Republicans shot themselves in the *** as well by having too many choices and not picking one person to beat Trump.
We are a country of morons and today's protests are an example because they will not solve a damned thing.
/politicalrant
This country made pro athletes into demi-gods when most of them are stupid as ****.
Same thing goes for film and music stars. Most of them are treated like royalty and dumb as a 17ing rock.
Why are people even listening? When I was a kid astronaut and research scientists were the heroes. Now it is morons on the pedestal.
As far as Trump goes, they are just protesting themselves for letting a clown get elected with their own superiority complex by putting up the most corrupt and divisive candidate they had for President. If they wanted to have a woman elected, they had better candidates.
And the Republicans shot themselves in the *** as well by having too many choices and not picking one person to beat Trump.
We are a country of morons and today's protests are an example because they will not solve a damned thing.
/politicalrant
I am a conservative who has held my nose and voted Republican
too many times to count. I can't find one damn thing in your post to argue with.
too many times to count. I can't find one damn thing in your post to argue with.
I made the mistake of clicking on the comments of an ESPN article about the lone Steeler player to leave the locker room. There were people actually complaining how disrespectful it was to his teammates by not joining their protest. The irony is more than I could handle.
I don’t think kneeling during the national anthem over your perceived racial inequalities is the samething as supporting a regime that murdered tens of millions of people.
Trump said people should be fired because of expressing their view of racial inequalities. I don’t anticipate anyone in the NFL kneeling over upcoming Republican proposed tax cuts.
The one Steeler player was Alejandro Villanueva, a former Army Ranger who served in Afghanistan. They were at Soldier Field today. Classless "protest."
You trying to be dense on purpose? I am not comparing them. I am pointing out when something means one thing to the zeitgeist to try and make it mean something else won't work.
Plus let's face it, that is exactly how Kaepernik meant his protest. He hates America. He wants to blame all Americans for the acts of a few. He talked in support of a despot who has murdered many people with opposing views.
Plus let's face it, that is exactly how Kaepernik meant his protest. He hates America. He wants to blame all Americans for the acts of a few. He talked in support of a despot who has murdered many people with opposing views.
That's absolutely absurd.
That "lone Steeler player" happened to be Alejandro Villanueva.
Maj. Villanueva served in the 1/75th (Ranger). He's the only one on either team that can truly speak of what "injustice" is. I bet if one of his teammates tried to lecture him on the subject, he'd just laugh.
If you think there are Americans that have it bad, buy yourself a plane ticket to Kabul, and just try to walk out of the airport without a military escort and let me know how that goes.
That "lone Steeler player" happened to be Alejandro Villanueva.
Maj. Villanueva served in the 1/75th (Ranger). He's the only one on either team that can truly speak of what "injustice" is. I bet if one of his teammates tried to lecture him on the subject, he'd just laugh.
If you think there are Americans that have it bad, buy yourself a plane ticket to Kabul, and just try to walk out of the airport without a military escort and let me know how that goes.
For as big of idiot as a bunch seem to think Trump is...
- Go off on protests in the NFL
- More protests
- Ratings decline
- Trump mocks the ratings decline
- Protesters lose their minds
- Ratings plummet
= Trump wins.
He's played them for fools.
I do agree that it's not serving any greater purpose on either side, and he should stay out of it. But it's not his style. Just rousing more and more tension toward a real breaking point with no end in sight.
- Go off on protests in the NFL
- More protests
- Ratings decline
- Trump mocks the ratings decline
- Protesters lose their minds
- Ratings plummet
= Trump wins.
He's played them for fools.
I do agree that it's not serving any greater purpose on either side, and he should stay out of it. But it's not his style. Just rousing more and more tension toward a real breaking point with no end in sight.
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