22 calls from one ref all against UK?

JB_Cat

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Bingo.
Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.
If you heard the SEC commissioner on Finebaum, you know how adamant he was about getting another team in the tournament than what was being projected.

Basically said that they had to get at least one more team in the tournament.
Greg Sankey. The same POS that was head of the NCAA infractions committee and let UNC skate.
 

wildcatdon

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I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but that doesn't mean that some conspiracies don't have merit.

I work with a guy who used to play D2 ball and refs a lot of high school games. The last few years he's reffed several A10 games, mostly in Dayton. I think he makes about $300/gm. I'd imagine power 5 refs make no more than $1k/gm. You telling me that 100% of these refs wouldn't be tempted by thousands of potential dollars that can be made by "missing" a few calls per game with zero accountability after the fact?

There needs to be a serious investigation into college basketball officiating. Incompetence can't account for all of this.
Power 5 refs make way more than $1000 per game.
 

Doc4UK!

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If true there should be some legal firm which initiates a class action lawsuit on behalf of all of the UK fans who went to the game . File it against the official and the SEC
 

LineSkiCat14

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You mean, it isn't just us who doesn't like Higgins? Or isn't just us who went after his business and personal life?

You'll have to forgive me, because I skimmed it, and maybe i missed it.. but I don't see where that article mentions fans that went after him to the degree we did.

Look, I'm not denying in anyway that Higgins isn't a POS. He is. And I already said I don't blame UK fans for going after him. I loved it. But.. that stuff CAN have consequences.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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You mean, it isn't just us who doesn't like Higgins? Or isn't just us who went after his business and personal life?

You'll have to forgive me, because I skimmed it, and maybe i missed it.. but I don't see where that article mentions fans that went after him to the degree we did.

Look, I'm not denying in anyway that Higgins isn't a POS. He is. And I already said I don't blame UK fans for going after him. I loved it. But.. that stuff CAN have consequences.
Both
 

nickhorvathsuxazz

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I’d say the undercut on the rebound was also one. Cant keep backing up under someone when they have left their feet there. I didn’t like the call but appeared to be correct (imo anyway) after review. Take away any of the other two though and he isn’t in foul Trouble. #4 was just a really bad call.
Totally agree w/ undercutting a rebounder if the box-out starts after the dude's in the air, but if the guy's on the ground and you're trying to put a hard box out and he suddenly jumps? That's hard to sense and immediately stop trying to box out...
 

CatOfDaVille

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Did you read the article on Higgins? $3k per game according to that article.

"There is an understandable economic incentive at work here. Higgins often gets paid more than $3,000 per game."
Hasn't seen that, thanks. I'd imagine it's gone up since then as well. Although I would assume crew chiefs make more than regular refs.

My original point remains, however.
 

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The only problem I have with this is he only sat down because his coach sat there not the refs. There is no such thing as foul trouble until you get your fifth. It’s the coaches that turn it into could trouble by overreacting and SITTING their guys down.

I’ll say it again, sitting guys after every foul (2, then 3, then 4) is the most illogical thing ever. You are taking you man out of the game over and over and Why?????
Because you’re afraid he’ll get too many fouls and do what????? Have to do the same thing YOU yourself already guaranteed him to do for 22 minutes …..SIT DOWN!
 
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You mean, it isn't just us who doesn't like Higgins? Or isn't just us who went after his business and personal life?

You'll have to forgive me, because I skimmed it, and maybe i missed it.. but I don't see where that article mentions fans that went after him to the degree we did.

Look, I'm not denying in anyway that Higgins isn't a POS. He is. And I already said I don't blame UK fans for going after him. I loved it. But.. that stuff CAN have consequences.
Please read the article.

Higgins says he pays no attention to what the fans say or write on social media about him..

The COACHES AND PLAYERS, however, he busts them up with a T if they say ANYTHING he doesn't like.

That's out of the man's own mouth, so please just stop throwing UK fans under the bus for Cal's problems with officials, which costs UK fans, too.
 
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Rembrandt90

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Startling if true.

But I have no idea who Grant Peters is … so I think I may need some independent corroboration of that claim before presuming his tweet correct.
Perhaps. But I don't require any independent corroboration to conclude it was a very poorly officiated game. SEC games often are.

However, officiating is not why we lost. We lost because we were outrebounded, played horribly defensively, turned the ball over way too much, and made no significant coaching adjustments when that could have turned the momentum.

Just to add, we lost to TX A&M during the regular season. Our loss to TX A&M yesterday followed exactly the same blueprint, outrebounded and gave up a whole bunch of straight line drives to the hoop for layups by the Aggie guards. Evidently Cal didn't learn anything from the first loss, because our defensive performance yesterday was even worse than the first game. It has gotten monotonous.
 

LineSkiCat14

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Please read the article.

Higgins says he pays no attention to what the fans say or write on social media about him..

The COACHES AND PLAYERS, however, he busts them up with a T if they say ANYTHING he doesn't like.

That's out of the man's own mouth, so please just stop throwing UK fans under the bus for Cal's problems with officials, which cost UK fans, too.

OK so where does it say he has an issue with Cal specifically?

And lol like he didn't take offense to UK fans going after his business. Oooook.
 

Bratkartoffeln

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Haven’t verified this, but pretty wild allegation.
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You're referring to Orlandis Poole, a ref who has done SEC games for a number of years. He has not been someone to avoid in the past, and I hardly think one referee can make such a difference against one team in a game. O-for-22 seems hard to believe, but will take your word for it--that would not be a fairly refereed game if true.

That said, it was not Mr Poole or any other ref that cost us the game, on the contrary, our defense and rebounding, like so many nights, was our big nemesis last night. We're truly like Jekyll and Hyde. Two polar opposites. Guess that makes this team bi-polar, and they're making me that way too. What we do defensively sometimes should put asses on benches every time, but Calipari, despite numbers of players, doesn't see it that way. Joe Hall would, and did (see 1978 NCAAT FSU vs UK game) even at the most critical of times. Having nads helps. Coddling kids has never worked...eons of proof on that.
 

NociHTTP

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It was horrific. Ultimately the game means nothing but it takes all the fun out of watching it if you're gonna just automatically level the playing field. I'll skip out on the sec tourney if they're just gonna use it to sneak extra teams in the big one
It means nothing if you're Cal. It means everything for seeding. We got manhandled by a non ranked team wearing padding under its uniforms.
 

Wildcat Sheli

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I saw a tweet that said Reeves has played in 66 games at UK and only fouled out of 3 games. This guy was the ref in all those games. Does anyone know if that’s true?
Yes, it is true. The only 2 games this season that Reeves fouled out were officiated by Olandis Poole.
It is also true that Poole officiated our March 10, 2023 loss to Vanderbilt, the only game that season where Reeves fouled out.

All three were losses for UK. What are the odds?

2023-2024
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Games/20240315TexasAM.html

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Games/20231202UNCWilmington.html

2022-2023
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/20230310Vanderbilt.html

Antonio Reeves’ Stats

Olandis Poole’s record with UK
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Officials/Olandis_Poole.html
 
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OK so where does it say he has an issue with Cal specifically?

And lol like he didn't take offense to UK fans going after his business. Oooook.
When you won't accept what the man says out of his own mouth, I certainly wouldn't be able to say anything you believe or accept.

Dig them hills in Cal. You may be right on this one.

Have a nice day.
 

LineSkiCat14

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When you won't accept what the man says out of his own mouth, I certainly wouldn't be able to say anything you believe or accept.

Dig them hills in Cal. You may be right on this one.

Have a nice day.

Lmfao. You too, I guess.
 

Greatestalltime

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I’d say the undercut on the rebound was also one. Cant keep backing up under someone when they have left their feet there. I didn’t like the call but appeared to be correct (imo anyway) after review. Take away any of the other two though and he isn’t in foul Trouble. #4 was just a really bad call.
No. They were already engaged with one another. They were both trying to establish rebounding position. Reeves is allowed and taught to block out. Which he was. And as he was blocking out and they were both legally pushing each other with their bodies A&M guy jumped in the air.

He knew exactly what he was doing and was in total control of his body with no risk of being undercut to the ground because he was in control and knew he’d likely get a manufactured foul call.
 

ManitouDan_anon

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1) there was a TON on money on our game that night , nearly all of it on Ky .. my friend and I at work discussed it that day and it was talked about here .. line opens at 2.5 , within 12 hours it’s at 6 .. that never , or at least rarely happens .. Vegas got paid
2) there is a way to apply a bunch of pressure / disagreement/ raise hell with an official and still not seem like the biggest Ahole on earth .. I guess what I’m saying is you do it without getting personal .. I’d wager Cal gets very personal — the ego thing as always
 

ManitouDan_anon

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Look at this call from UF/Bama last night. SEC has to do something about this BS


Reminds me of the crucial baseline call in the FF or championship game where the guys slips and we get called for it ? It was widely played here , help me out for the exact play someone - I think it was Higgins ? Seems like it was late game or our guys 5th foul ?
 
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Why doesn’t anyone ever believe it was Emmert is beyond me. He Despised Cal with a passion when he was at Washington for stealing Kanter and Jones from them. Emmert publicly wanted Cal and Kentucky investigated for tampering. He is then selected for NCAA president. That’s the source my friends. No doubt. His promotion is when our blue blood whistle ended. Payback is a *****…. Signed Mark Emmert.
Because they refuse to accept that Cal has made some enemies along the way, like Emmert, people who are in high places that have a lot of control over issues that impact outcomes of sporting events.

There is a looonnnng list of officials that despise JVC, whether his cult followers believe that or not doesn't change that fact.

And UK has always been the whipping boy of the SEC and NCAA. Cal has just exacerbated that problem with his presence and his reputation.
 
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Cats_2010

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No. They were already engaged with one another. They were both trying to establish rebounding position. Reeves is allowed and taught to block out. Which he was. And as he was blocking out and they were both legally pushing each other with their bodies A&M guy jumped in the air.

He knew exactly what he was doing and was in total control of his body with no risk of being undercut to the ground because he was in control and knew he’d likely get a manufactured foul call.
Can agree to disagree but just rewatched that play 5 times. Radford beat reeves to the spot, reeves goes in elbows to the back and appears to push from behind as radford elevates. Radford certainly flailed and sold it, but two officials blew their whistle. Reeves didn’t box out there, rather just enough push from behind to get the whistle. Hard to argue against a foul call there. Now easy to argue that A&M got away with similar push offs. I remember Z getting blatantly pushed away from one rebound with no call.
 
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Can agree to disagree but just rewatched that play 5 times. Radford beat reeves to the spot, reeves goes in elbows to the back and appears to push from behind as radford elevates. Radford certainly flailed and sold it, but two officials blew their whistle. Reeves didn’t box out there, rather just enough push from behind to get the whistle. Hard to argue against a foul call there. Now easy to argue that A&M got away with similar push offs. I remember Z getting blatantly pushed away from one rebound with no call.
You guys are talking about two different plays, I'm pretty sure.
 

revcort

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Yes, it is true. The only 2 games this season that Reeves fouled out were officiated by Olandis Poole.
It is also true that Poole officiated our March 10, 2023 loss to Vanderbilt, the only game that season where Reeves fouled out.

All three were losses for UK. What are the odds?

2023-2024
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Games/20240315TexasAM.html

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Games/20231202UNCWilmington.html

2022-2023
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Games/20230310Vanderbilt.html

Antonio Reeves’ Stats

Olandis Poole’s record with UK
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Officials/Olandis_Poole.html
This guy should definitely be investigated.
 

Greatestalltime

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Can agree to disagree but just rewatched that play 5 times. Radford beat reeves to the spot, reeves goes in elbows to the back and appears to push from behind as radford elevates. Radford certainly flailed and sold it, but two officials blew their whistle. Reeves didn’t box out there, rather just enough push from behind to get the whistle. Hard to argue against a foul call there. Now easy to argue that A&M got away with similar push offs. I remember Z getting blatantly pushed away from one rebound with no call.
I see what you’re saying…but yea we will have to agree to disagree. I say once they were both engaged one can’t leave the floor and expect a foul. Boxing out is fundamental, something we struggle with, then once we do it (well imo) they call foul.

We are taking about the one on the top right of the four squares in the tweet, right?
 
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Usmcincy

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I’m extremely biased but some games are unwatchable they are called so bad. I watch a lot of basketball and I never see any team get as bad of a whistle as us. Seems like around 2014-2015 is when we started getting the shaft from the refs under Cal.
That season was the worst officiating I’ve ever seen.

Yeah we dominated, but almost every SEC game would’ve been a 20 point win if it was actually officiated correctly.

I don’t blame Cal for the Wisky loss. Dekker and Kaminsky got the Edey whistle the whole game.