Leo's story

[patdog]

Well, their whole plan was ultimately pretty stupid. Nobody can cheat that blatantly without raising some real suspicions. And the longer a scheme like that goes on, the more it grows out of control. Eventually, there will be too much to cover up and not enough time in the day to do it all.

 

[engie]

Well, their whole plan was ultimately pretty stupid. Nobody can cheat that blatantly without raising some real suspicions. And the longer a scheme like that goes on, the more it grows out of control. Eventually, there will be too much to cover up and not enough time in the day to do it all.

I think their correct path would have been either to not cheat that hard -- or to cheat that hard only until the NCAA showed up and then bump it back. Continuing to cheat was their long-lasting undoing. For all the hoopla -- the Ncaa found nothing extra on us after they got to campus. It cost us a class or two, but that was it, we actually got our exemplary cooperation and compliance, and now I would think they are a bit slower to look at us since they had just given us a clean bill of health. Not that they couldn't...

 

[Drebin]

I'm going to answer the question and give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't read the NOA. LEO LEWIS said he got money from 3 different institutions. Not Chuck, Yancy, Freeze, Barney, etc.
Did OM give Leo some amount of money? Most likely. Did state give Leo some money? Most likely. Quit acting high and mighty here.
It seems reasonable that the investigators didn't care about anything other that answering the question "did ole miss give you money?", but the COI probably wants to know what everyone reasonable wants to know...Why did you go to State?

No he didn't. This is what Ole Miss alleges. The NCAA didn't report this...Ole Miss suggests this in their response, and Chuck and Yancy have run with it like it's gospel. Is it true? Maybe. Then aGAIN, if it's true, it will be the first thing anyone from Ole Miss has been right about since the beginning of this circus. The NCAA doesn't care because they gave him immunity and was asking him about his recruitment BY OLE MISS. Read that aGAIN, slowly.

Nobody's acting high and mighty here. It doesn't matter who gave him what. Ole Miss got caught red-handed, and the defense of, "Oh, well, we weren't the only ones" is a stupid defense. Take Leo away and you're still going to fry.

 

[patdog]

I agree. If they'd built up to that level of cheating slowly, they wouldn't have been as prone to making mistakes and wouldn't have attracted so much attention. But even with that first class, if they'd cut it back when the NCAA was investigating and fired a few assistant coaches a lot sooner (basically handle the football investigation like they did the WBB and track investigations), they'd have still gotten probation, but not a crippling probation. Arrogance and stupidity is a pretty bad combination.

 

[Drebin]

I think something else lost here is that the NCAA in their response to OM response states that #39s recruitment wasn't even on their radar until credible evidence was provided by a school NOT affiliated with the SEC. hmmm

Yet another example of these idiots choosing to believe an ever-changing and evolving ******** narrative over factual, on-the-record information.

 

[kendesu]

Several Ole Miss media people have at least said that they have doubts that Leo will show up. My question is why would he not show up? If not showing up puts his immunity at risk, what does he have to gain by not showing up and taking that risk?

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

Several Ole Miss media people have at least said that they have doubts that Leo will show up. My question is why would he not show up? If not showing up puts his immunity at risk, what does he have to gain by not showing up and taking that risk?

If the COI wants him at the hearing, then I'd be willing to bet that he will be at the hearing.

 

[Drebin]

Several Ole Miss media people have at least said that they have doubts that Leo will show up. My question is why would he not show up? If not showing up puts his immunity at risk, what does he have to gain by not showing up and taking that risk?

I have doubts that they have even requested for Leo to be at the hearing. That news came from Ole Miss news media, and therefore must be taken with the appropriate measure of salt.

 

[ezsoil]

The NCAA had unsupported evidence of widespread cheating at Ole Miss, not at MSU. They used Leo's testimony to corroborate that in exchange for immunity, just like law enforcement does.

Did Leo take money from State, probably, but that doesn't mean he didn't take money from Ole Miss. No the NCAA doesn't care about every incident of cheating that has ever happened. They care to stop cheating at the institutional level.

Ole Miss was out of control and got smoked for it.

the NCAA's evidence was supported! it was referenced in all of the footnotes. it isn't common knowledge because OM hasn't released it.... the member institution is the only one who can release the information. And because the documentation completely destroys the narrative, it will never be released without a FOIA fight as Steve alluded to.

 

[blacklistedbully]

In their response, UNM is trying to debunk Leo's claim that he met with "Booster #14" in his car 2 miles from Leo's high school, by challenging the timeline, including in their response that the booster had to do all of that and respond to an email about a "pathology report" by 2:52 PM.

They are going to extreme lengths, as well, claiming it takes 10 minutes to get to his sister's car, then another 10 minutes to drive 2 miles. They want to make it seem impossible, but here's the reality:

Leo got out of class at 1:30. He could have got to his car and on his 2-mile trip by 1:31 (walk out of class, get in his sister's car parked out front and take off), meeting the booster by 1:34. Leo claimed the meeting took approximately 10-15 minutes, but that was clearly just an estimate for the NCAA investigator. I doubt he tracked the time with his watch. Very well could have been done by 1:40. And for all anyone knows, Leo may have meant to include the drive over in his estimate.

That would have given the booster 1 hour and 12 minutes to drive the 60+ miles back to his office in Ridgeland and answer the email he claims he answered from his office at 2:52. Google maps tells us the drive from Brookhaven to Ridgeland departing around that time would take about an hour (assuming he wasn't driving over the speed limit), giving the booster and Leo a good 12 minute cushion in the timeline.

Now consider the above is one of the big things the UNM legal team is counting on to discredit Leo's account, and you get another idea how desperately they are grasping at straws.

 

[memphisbulldog]

Rebel Rags

bear coworker, Leo stated that clothes he was given 2-3 years ago had tags, but reb rags doesn't have tags!!!!!!1

I'm sure Rebel Rags have price tags. Leo apparently said they took the security tags off so as not to set off the alarms. But if Rebel Rags did not have security tags, Leo would not necessarily have known that.

 

[amcdan2000]

No one should know what Leo said because if they do TCUNT leaked it.

 

[MaroonNation]

Freeze was in way over his head. He was not hired to look the other way in my opinion. He was hired because the people that hired him are idiots like the rest of the Adkin running the ship in Oxford. There was no BIG conspiracy to hire a puppet. They hired him because they were dumbasses plain and simple. The OM compliance is mom and pop.

If your stupid *** doesn't learn but one thing after all said and done it should be this: freeze was hired because they knew EXACTLY that he would play the booster game. That's why they haven't stopped after Freeze got outed. It's not about Freeze. They knew he was scum. It's about your culture of cheating that they want to end.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Why did you go to State?

Because I'm better than you.