Leo's story

[bulldognation]

I keep seeing Ole Miss fans stating that Leo lied based on the notion that he changed his story three times.

They claim inconsistencies in the details such as he was given wads of $100s vs. a brown bag containing wads of $100s, or he met Booster John Doe at 3pm vs. 5pm - none of which I consider to be drastically altering the story. The NCAA deems him credible. So what's the glaring difference between the three that has them convinced he isn't credible?

Ole Miss trolls: I know you're reading this and are just dying to tell your side of the story. So bring your incredible response.

 

[PBRME]

Ole Miss fans are saying Leo lied because Yancy told them he lied. They are taking at face value the man that openly admits to lying about recruits, and has been wrong about everything the entire step of the way this investigation. Let me say it again. WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING concerning the investigation. How he has any credibility left amazes me. It also disappoints me in their fanbase gullibility. Of course they've been lied to by the admins the entire time and still believe them.

 

[AlCoDog]

People tend to believe what they want to believe.

 

[bulldognation]

I get that they've been lied to. That's been established long ago.

What I'd like to see is anyone (MSU, Ole Miss, Forde, Wolken) put the three stories side by side by side and show where the glaring differences are.

 

[Dawgtini]

If I'm not mistaken, Barney's and another coach/person's responses to the NCAA included some information that implied/stated that #39 didn't tell the same story each time and therefore was not credible. The response also laid out the timeline, and had statements from OM student athletes that said Leo told them he was being coached and didn't get any gear ... all to "prove" that Leo was not being truthful.

 

[AlCoDog]

OM basically coordinated a huge lie involving their own student athletes. Freeze, Barney, Rags, and their own players. That's the only conspiracy in all of this.

Like Leo would tell OM players, I'm going to make up some **** to get yall in trouble, and I'm not going to OM. Don't tell anybody.

 

[KurtRambis4]

According to a

bear coworker, Leo stated that clothes he was given 2-3 years ago had tags, but reb rags doesn't have tags!!!!!!1

 

[Drebin]

If I'm not mistaken, Barney's and another coach/person's responses to the NCAA included some information that implied/stated that #39 didn't tell the same story each time and therefore was not credible. The response also laid out the timeline, and had statements from OM student athletes that said Leo told them he was being coached and didn't get any gear ... all to "prove" that Leo was not being truthful.

I laugh every time I hear the "Leo was getting coached" argument, especially when I go back and read the NCAA response, where while NCAA investigators were interviewing JOHN DOE TWO<redacted paralegal="">, <redacted lawyer="">JOHN DOE ONE came and got her and spoke to her, and then she returned to the interview, where versions of the story changed. Now THAT'S how you coach a witness.

Now, if during recruiting, Leo came to Mullen and said "Ole Miss is offering me $X", I would coach, or advise him to take the money and sign with us. Maybe that's what happened. But that's the extent of the coaching, I'm sure.</redacted></redacted>

 

[Shamoan]

om admits to boosters breaking rules about cars, cash, lodging, meals, coaching contact, among other benefits, yet staunchly deny giving them clothing?

 

[bulldognation]

I love it when their fans cling to these little narrative nuggets:

NCAA spent FIVE years in Oxford and couldn't find anything!
Players sleeping on a coaches couch? Hunting on someone's property? Come ON, NCAA!
Leo's a liar! Rebel Rags doesn't have any employees named Emily.
Leo's a liar! Rebel Rags doesn't carry gift cards in values of $400.
Leo's a liar! Rebel Rags doesn't use security tags.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Now, if during recruiting, Leo came to Mullen and said "Ole Miss is offering me $X", I would coach, or advise him to take the money and sign with us. Maybe that's what happened. But that's the extent of the coaching, I'm sure.</redacted></redacted>

I actually heard a version similar to this although no mention of Mullen. Just an off-field staff member who's no longer at MSU. When asked what to do the guy said, "that's easy...take their money if they're dumb enough to give it to you just for committing, then sign with whoever you want". Great advice actually.

 

[Moe Cabelle]

Agree this would be helpful because this is example of how they repeat things so much that people, our OWN people sometimes, just accept things as fact.

Heck, I've heard Neal "Its about the kids" McReady endlessly spout this, but I've never seen the precise contradictions to support the outrage they portend.

 

[bulldognation]

Somebody obviously coached him to tweet that Joker gif as well.

 

[Moe Cabelle]

I heard Leo said cash delivered by dude in a brown bag. Umiss folks laugh at this and say the bag was obviously taupe. Plus no one refers to Yancy as a dude when everyone knows he's transgender. I mean... "yancy"... duh.

 

[Nilo]

I'm an ole miss fan and know that this doesn't matter. COI doesn't need evidence that money changed hands. OM already admitted that Barney put booster 10 in touch with Leo while the NCAA was on campus. Idiots. Also have texts from the booster to Leo via Barney crying about an agreement. I think it's pretty evident what happened here and for this to be going on while in the middle of an NCAA investigation is the definition of insanity. All of our fans cry that this is a witch hunt and the NCAA is unfair but it became personal because of stupid **** like this. Freeze is an insane human.

 

[drt7891]

If you ever watched "Pony Excess," they laid out the same scenario with Eric Dickerson and the Trans Am.

I mean what can OM do if Leo doesn't "honor the deal?" Go tell someone? "Hey I cheated and gave this kid $10K to come here and now he's going somewhere else!!1"

 

[The Usual Suspect]

If you ever watched "Pony Excess," they laid out the same scenario with Eric Dickerson and the Trans A&M

FIFY

 

[mount lefroy]

I'm an ole miss fan and know that this doesn't matter. COI doesn't need evidence that money changed hands. OM already admitted that Barney put booster 10 in touch with Leo while the NCAA was on campus. Idiots. Also have texts from the booster to Leo via Barney crying about an agreement. I think it's pretty evident what happened here and for this to be going on while in the middle of an NCAA investigation is the definition of insanity. All of our fans cry that this is a witch hunt and the NCAA is unfair but it became personal because of stupid **** like this. Freeze is an insane human.

Sorry, Freezes mental capacity doesn't mitigate a 17ing thing. From any rational view he was an obident soldier. Which makes the rest of your administration unmitigated vaginas for turning and running.

That schools athletics is an example of everything wrong with society.

 

[Nilo]

Freeze was in way over his head. He was not hired to look the other way in my opinion. He was hired because the people that hired him are idiots like the rest of the Adkin running the ship in Oxford. There was no BIG conspiracy to hire a puppet. They hired him because they were dumbasses plain and simple. The OM compliance is mom and pop.

 

[AlCoDog]

You calling Archie a dumbass?

 

[Nilo]

Yes.

 

[2001OleMiss]

I actually heard a version similar to this although no mention of Mullen. Just an off-field staff member who's no longer at MSU. When asked what to do the guy said, "that's easy...take their money if they're dumb enough to give it to you just for committing, then sign with whoever you want". Great advice actually.

I'm going to answer the question and give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't read the NOA. LEO LEWIS said he got money from 3 different institutions. Not Chuck, Yancy, Freeze, Barney, etc.
Did OM give Leo some amount of money? Most likely. Did state give Leo some money? Most likely. Quit acting high and mighty here.
It seems reasonable that the investigators didn't care about anything other that answering the question "did ole miss give you money?", but the COI probably wants to know what everyone reasonable wants to know...Why did you go to State?

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

Wut? Yancy, that you? The COI gives zero ***** and will ask zero questions about why he went to State.

 

[AlCoDog]

Are you saying you think the COI is going to ask Leo if he went to MSU because he was paid? Maybe I misunderstood.

And you can change that "most likely" ******** to 100% without a doubt in regards to Ole Miss.

 

[engie]

LEO LEWIS said he got money from 3 different institutions.

Where did he say this?

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Awww. So cute lol

 

[Sam Adams Dog]

Ole Miss: Leo lied
Ole Miss: fired a coach and disassociated 4 boosters over his testimony.
Can't be both ways.

 

[ezsoil]

I'm going to answer the question and give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't read the NOA. LEO LEWIS said he got money from 3 different institutions. Not Chuck, Yancy, Freeze, Barney, etc.
Did OM give Leo some amount of money? Most likely. Did state give Leo some money? Most likely. Quit acting high and mighty here.
It seems reasonable that the investigators didn't care about anything other that answering the question "did ole miss give you money?", but the COI probably wants to know what everyone reasonable wants to know...Why did you go to State?

On what page of the NOA did it state that Leo Lewis got money from 3 different institutions? Perhaps you have confused the NOA (which is produced by the NCAA enforcement staff and had all the supporting documentation that Ole Miss hasn't released) and the Response to the NOA ( which was a self serving fabrication produced by the Ole Miss legal team) Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt because you obviously suffer from Yancy delusional syndrome

If you actually read the NCAA's response...you would see the texts between Barney and the Ridgeland lawyer when they realized they got played. Perhaps Leo had a visceral hatred for Ole Miss and never intended to go there but was willing to take all the goodies.... I don't know but one thing is certain ..it appears to be something personal..he is taking great delight in seeing you guys squirm ...and you guys seem to have a vitriolic hatred for him....

throughout this process one side has constantly and consistently been proven wrong....and it's not the NCAA.

 

[josebrown]

Ole Miss: Leo lied
Ole Miss: fired a coach and disassociated 4 boosters over his testimony.
Can't be both ways.

And one of those definitely, without a shadow of doubt happened, and everyone knows that. Even you rebels. So stop your fairy tale, common core reasoning, that both could, or "most likely", happened. Sam Adams Dog broke it down to its simplest form, 2+2 does in fact =4.

 

[patdog]

Where did he say this?

I'd like to see a link to this. Not that it matters. The NCAA wouldn't do anything with it even if he did say that.

 

[josebrown]

Freeze was in way over his head. He was not hired to look the other way in my opinion. He was hired because the people that hired him are idiots like the rest of the Adkin running the ship in Oxford. There was no BIG conspiracy to hire a puppet. They hired him because they were dumbasses plain and simple. The OM compliance is mom and pop.

They hired him because they trusted him to let 'The Network' network for players, and keep it hidden from compliance. He learned it under O, then went and built the resume so he could takeover after Nutt. Archie picked him while O was the coach. That's what I think.

 

[patdog]

I'll never understand this "obedient soldier" ******** story line on Freeze. They weren't bringing in top 5 classes until he was hired. Who do you think put the new program the network was working the last 6 years into place? Cause they damn sure weren't working the same program they always had been.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Link?*

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[kendesu]

Thank you. Let's get these three stories side by side. Show us how they are different in a consequential way that makes him less than credible. It shouldn't be difficult.

 

[dawgdoug1962]

Freeze was in way over his head. He was not hired to look the other way in my opinion. He was hired because the people that hired him are idiots like the rest of the Adkin running the ship in Oxford. There was no BIG conspiracy to hire a puppet. They hired him because they were dumbasses plain and simple. The OM compliance is mom and pop.

The key men in his hiring are not dumb....Mike Glenn is a major player at Fed Ex....old Arch and the taco king are not dumb in your sense of the word either.....

We ain't buying what you are selling

 

[muddawgs]

I read it. It didn't say he got money from 3 different institutions but it did say he got money from ole miss more than 3 different times. You guys are so 17ing stupid. It's in black and white and you dumbasses really believe that **** being spewed from Yancy and Chuck and the rest of your nimrods. If you read it, it says your boosters made payments over 7 different times.

 

[mount lefroy]

I'll never understand this "obedient soldier" ******** story line on Freeze. They weren't bringing in top 5 classes until he was hired. Who do you think put the new program the network was working the last 6 years into place? Cause they damn sure weren't working the same program they always had been.

But you are fine with the mastermind failing to redact a phone call to an escort service.

Ok.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I'm going to answer the question and give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't read the NOA. LEO LEWIS said he got money from 3 different institutions. Not Chuck, Yancy, Freeze, Barney, etc.
Did OM give Leo some amount of money? Most likely. Did state give Leo some money? Most likely. Quit acting high and mighty here.
It seems reasonable that the investigators didn't care about anything other that answering the question "did ole miss give you money?", but the COI probably wants to know what everyone reasonable wants to know...Why did you go to State?

The beautiful campus and babes of course!

 

[codeDawg]

I'm going to answer the question and give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't read the NOA. LEO LEWIS said he got money from 3 different institutions. Not Chuck, Yancy, Freeze, Barney, etc.
Did OM give Leo some amount of money? Most likely. Did state give Leo some money? Most likely. Quit acting high and mighty here.
It seems reasonable that the investigators didn't care about anything other that answering the question "did ole miss give you money?", but the COI probably wants to know what everyone reasonable wants to know...Why did you go to State?

The NCAA had unsupported evidence of widespread cheating at Ole Miss, not at MSU. They used Leo's testimony to corroborate that in exchange for immunity, just like law enforcement does.

Did Leo take money from State, probably, but that doesn't mean he didn't take money from Ole Miss. No the NCAA doesn't care about every incident of cheating that has ever happened. They care to stop cheating at the institutional level.

Ole Miss was out of control and got smoked for it.

 

[Dawgtini]

I think something else lost here is that the NCAA in their response to OM response states that #39s recruitment wasn't even on their radar until credible evidence was provided by a school NOT affiliated with the SEC. hmmm