Duke's Mark Mitchell returning to School

[LineSkiCat14]

Oh ok. I misunderstood. I thought your statement below was that top recruits may look elsewhere

But the point was, originally, that you could use this as an example of why elite 1AD maybe should look elsewhere.

More so, I agree with the poster who said that coaches could/should point to this past year as an example of why a top5 player might choose them, over Duke. And I think there's some truth to be made there. But it IS also Scheyers first year, so of course he needs more time.

 

[bluedog79]

Who?

Who the fk is Mark Mitchell LOL?
Trust me some dude named Mark Mitchell ain't nothing to worry about lol.

How many guys named Mark have been good in the nba? What 1 -2?
In the last 10 years name me some guys named Mark that were good?
If your entire team is named Mark Mitchell ....I'm going to bet you'll probably win about three games out of 40

 

[Blueheart32]

More so, I agree with the poster who said that coaches could/should point to this past year as an example of why a top5 player might choose them, over Duke. And I think there's some truth to be made there. But it IS also Scheyers first year, so of course he needs more time.

How much do you buy into coaches developing players? Serious question. Nothing intended. I’m just not sure how much I buy it. Sure, I think a coach might occasionally take a lower second round recruit and improve his fundamentals some and raise him from lower second round to a lower first rounder, or a G league bound player to second round. But I don’t think anything monumental happens. I don’t believe they take a lower second round player to the lottery. Sometimes a players rankings are just wrong. I believe Duke and ky, and a lot of other schools have players either over or under perform every year and not the coaches doing . Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I see it

 

[LineSkiCat14]

How much do you buy into coaches developing players? Serious question. Nothing intended. I’m just not sure how much I buy it. Sure, I think a coach might occasionally take a lower second round recruit and improve his fundamentals some and raise him from lower second round to a lower first rounder, or a G league bound player to second round. But I don’t think anything monumental happens. I don’t believe they take a lower second round player to the lottery. Sometimes a players rankings are just wrong. I believe Duke and ky, and a lot of other schools have players either over or under perform every year and not the coaches doing . Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I see it

Probably somewhere in the middle. I think it's as much about X's and O's as it is preparing them for life in the NBA. Some guys are going to be in the NBA no matter who their college coach is.. while some, might be able to get there a year or two quicker if they have the coach.

What Cal did for guys like Herro and SGA though.. and if he had no hand in their development.. then he sure knows how to evaluate talent. I still think Cal is #1 in this area (development, talent scouting), and everyone else is playing for 2nd.

 

[numberonedad]

I'm sure a lot of players return to their school because:
1. They get NIL money
2. They actually get good coaching
3. Their coach isn't a screaming maniac on the sideline
4. They actually enjoy college Basketball

 

[RoyKent]

Duke is going to be the pre-season #1 team next year. So much for them disappearing when K left.

 

[Duke Bluu]

Duke is going to be the pre-season #1 team next year. So much for them disappearing when K left.

If Flip and Roach return, yes, I do believe Duke is the clear #1 and as elite of a team as there has been in a little bit. We will see.

 

[FitchandMurray29]

As he should. He will be good. Wish our players had that mentality more often. CL, looking at you.

We had a wing player run it back today. You must’ve missed the BC breaking news. Surprisingly did not get the Mitchell hype video though…

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Yeah...because having guys play poor to medioce in college for 1 year and then onto NBA no matter what is exactly a good plan!

What has it benefited BJ Boston, Diallo, Dakari, Terrance Clarke, EJ Montgomery, etc....?

You seriously throwing Terrance Clarke in there?

Also, Dakari and EJ, weren't projected to be anywhere near a first round pick and not likely encourage by Cal or anyone else to go. The other 3 have earned a combined 20+ million dollars so far in their careers so much more than getting nothing if they had a career ending injury here for coming back.

 

[STL_Cat]

If these guys coming back means Scheyer is failing them, I sure wish Cal would start failing some guys.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

If these guys coming back means Scheyer is failing them, I sure wish Cal would start failing some guys.

If the rumors were true and coaches used platooning against Cal on the recruiting trail then you can bet coaches will say that Scheyer holds guys back from going pro.

 

[STL_Cat]

If the rumors were true and coaches used platooning against Cal on the recruiting trail then you can bet coaches will say that Scheyer holds guys back from going pro.

I don't think it will affect his recruiting, though. If you're not selling the kids the NBA in the recruiting process then rival recruiters selling that against you won't necessarily be effective.

We want this to be effective because Cal has us all believing that's all these kids care about because it's what he sells.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

If Flip and Roach return, yes, I do believe Duke is the clear #1 and as elite of a team as there has been in a little bit. We will see.

I don't know about the 2nd part (not even sure about the 1st one). 4-year Roach, Sophomore's MM and Flip (who does look very good), and then a recruiting class that's good, but not an immediate impact one like Duke is used to having.. doesn't strike me as one of the decade's best teams.

A team that, btw, didn't make a sweet16, and still struggled at times in a pretty weak ACC.

Honestly if you DON'T get Flip back (assuming Lively and Dariq are gone), I don't see them being any sort of threat next year, and likely take a step back from this season.

 

[Padsfs07]

I don't know about the 2nd part (not even sure about the 1st one). 4-year Roach, Sophomore's MM and Flip (who does look very good), and then a recruiting class that's good, but not an immediate impact one like Duke is used to having.. doesn't strike me as one of the decade's best teams.

A team that, btw, didn't make a sweet16, and still struggled at times in a pretty weak ACC.

Honestly if you DON'T get Flip back (assuming Lively and Dariq are gone), I don't see them being any sort of threat next year, and likely take a step back from this season.

Proctor is pretty good too.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

If Flip and Roach return, yes, I do believe Duke is the clear #1 and as elite of a team as there has been in a little bit. We will see.

But they will still be young and still have an experienced staff. They won several games this year because their schedule was hot garbage not because they were great. Duke fans just started to believe the media hype when they all picked them to make the final four on the bracket reveal shows. Anyone with a brain and not looking through Duke blue tinted glasses knew better. Will they be good next year if all of those guys come back? Sure. Will they be as elite of a team as there has been in a little bit? I personally don't think so.

 

[Duke Bluu]

I don't know about the 2nd part (not even sure about the 1st one). 4-year Roach, Sophomore's MM and Flip (who does look very good), and then a recruiting class that's good, but not an immediate impact one like Duke is used to having.. doesn't strike me as one of the decade's best teams.

A team that, btw, didn't make a sweet16, and still struggled at times in a pretty weak ACC.

Honestly if you DON'T get Flip back (assuming Lively and Dariq are gone), I don't see them being any sort of threat next year, and likely take a step back from this season.

You forgot Proctor also. Its a team that was not healthy most of the year (Roach, Lively, Whitehead, Mitchell missed time). Its a team that when the roster was healthy, only lost one game (Mitchell, a starter didnt play vs UT). And that one game was vs UVA, on the road, where the officials had to publicly admit they got a deciding call wrong. Its a team that won the ACC tournament, beating Miami (a final four team) en route to the title. Granted, Miami was without their post guy after an early injury. It was a team heavily dependent upon Freshman that needed to adjust. Proctor was a different player at the end of the year.

To your latter point, if Flip leaves then yes, there will be significant questions unless the portal answers them. Still much to be decided but having watched this team, i remain convinced, if Roach and Flip return, Duke will be #1 to start and be a very good team.

 

[ChicagoCat90]

Brennan Canada is coming back for his senior season, so take that Duke!

 

[LineSkiCat14]

You forgot Proctor also. Its a team that was not healthy most of the year (Roach, Lively, Whitehead, Mitchell missed time). Its a team that when the roster was healthy, only lost one game (Mitchell, a starter didnt play vs UT). And that one game was vs UVA, on the road, where the officials had to publicly admit they got a deciding call wrong. Its a team that won the ACC tournament, beating Miami (a final four team) en route to the title. Granted, Miami was without their post guy after an early injury. It was a team heavily dependent upon Freshman that needed to adjust. Proctor was a different player at the end of the year.

To your latter point, if Flip leaves then yes, there will be significant questions unless the portal answers them. Still much to be decided but having watched this team, i remain convinced, if Roach and Flip return, Duke will be #1 to start and be a very good team.

Proctor has promise. But I don't think he's transforming this team into, again, an all-decade type squad. I'm not seeing 2023/24 Duke being like the 2012 Kentucky team, or the 2009 UNC team.

Lots of teams dealt with a rash of injuries, specifically our own Kentucky team. At this point, you should almost prepare for some player to be banged up.

The Virginia call? Meh. Duke has won games in that manner. Sometimes you get the call, sometimes you don't.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Proctor has promise. But I don't think he's transforming this team into, again, an all-decade type squad. I'm not seeing 2023/24 Duke being like the 2012 Kentucky team, or the 2009 UNC team.

Lots of teams dealt with a rash of injuries, specifically our own Kentucky team. At this point, you should almost prepare for some player to be banged up.

The Virginia call? Meh. Duke has won games in that manner. Sometimes you get the call, sometimes you don't.

I'm not sure they will be as talented as the Zion team who also didn't cut down the nets despite having Coach K on the sideline instead of a staff lacking any experience.

 

[STL_Cat]

Sky is falling people need to take the Brennan Canada news in their pipes and smoke it

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

We can only hope UK is elite next year, just like in 2010 and 2015.

Thanks for proving my point about being young is tough to overcome. What a moron.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Forgetting PG Tyrese Proctor. Who started all year as a freshman and could possibly be a lottery pick next season as what projects to a much weaker draft (hence why some think Flip could come back). Seems like a large omission IMO...

Duke is also in on the transfer C Daron Holmes who averaged 18 and 8 at Dayton. Is a physical specimen, and will likely be a 2nd round pick whenever he chooses to go.

Not when you're trying to sell me on Duke being one of THE best teams in recent times. No, Tyrese Proctor is not pushing Duke to THAT level of success, at least not yet.

And I don't think Duke gets BOTH a transfer center and Flip to return. One of those is keeping the other one away IMO.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Forgetting PG Tyrese Proctor. Who started all year as a freshman and could possibly be a lottery pick next season as what projects to a much weaker draft (hence why some think Flip could come back). Seems like a large omission IMO...

Duke is also in on the transfer C Daron Holmes who averaged 18 and 8 at Dayton. Is a physical specimen, and will likely be a 2nd round pick whenever he chooses to go.

Scheyer proved this season that he is like Coach K and will only play 6-7 guys. Where do you get the idea that Duke will have 10-12 guys lining up to sit on his bench beside him?

 

[Duke Bluu]

I'm not sure they will be as talented as the Zion team who also didn't cut down the nets despite having Coach K on the sideline instead of a staff lacking any experience.

As talented? No. But the experience plus the talent that they do have, in my opinion, will make them a better team.

 

[OmahaCats]

He wasnt very good imo

He was a former 5 star, Freshman starter who averaged 9 a game and is built like a senior. That’s a massive return for Duke

 

[OmahaCats]

I honestly didn’t even know that guy was still at Duke this past season. No wonder he’s coming back.

Still at Duke? He was a Freshman 5 star. And he started averaged 9 a game. He’s built like a senior. This is massive for Duke. 2 starters so far returning. They’ll most likely return 4 starters

 

[OmahaCats]

As for whether Duke stays relevant. We will see. I have my own doubts about ALL the blue bloods, as I generally think college basketball is heading towards a trend where no one is really ever firmly on top again.

But it's worth noting that Kentucky is down bad with the end of Cal's tenure.. meanwhile Duke has it's apparent coach for the future.. and yet both finished the season about the same. Id' be at least a LITTLE concerned about the level to which Scheyer can keep Duke at. Kentucky is going to throw top dollar at it's next coach, we just have to worry about the right one. But we've won Final4s under several throughout the decades.

Duke is going to very good next year. Better than Kentucky that’s for sure

 

[OmahaCats]

Who?

Who the fk is Mark Mitchell LOL?
Trust me some dude named Mark Mitchell ain't nothing to worry about lol.

How many guys named Mark have been good in the nba? What 1 -2?
In the last 10 years name me some guys named Mark that were good?
If your entire team is named Mark Mitchell ....I'm going to bet you'll probably win about three games out of 40

You’re an idiot. He was a 5 Star freshman. And yes he’s good. Much better than Livingston was

 

[Wunky]

Still at Duke? He was a Freshman 5 star. And he started averaged 9 a game. He’s built like a senior. This is massive for Duke. 2 starters so far returning. They’ll most likely return 4 starters

See my other post. Or don’t. Idc.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Look I hate Dook (I hate their very existence. I don't usually respect them on any level. Still pissed how a guy stomps a guys chest and is still allowed to play and hits a game winner with...ok I degress. But you get it.) but you have to applaud their coaching staff and or players for bringing guys back in this flip flop college BB world right now. Noway in hell does Cow get a guy like Proctor to come back for year 2. I watched a decent amount of their games and was always impressed by him. I mean we can't return anyone. Oscar was a complete fluke situation. Bringing guys like Livingston back is key to winning these days. I mean this covid rule is gonna haunt us a few more years because guys are physical specimens and mature. You got schools with guys that have played together 2-5 years and ever year we scramble a team together who has to bond that year or else and AD ain't walking through that door.

 

[OmahaCats]

You forgot Proctor also. Its a team that was not healthy most of the year (Roach, Lively, Whitehead, Mitchell missed time). Its a team that when the roster was healthy, only lost one game (Mitchell, a starter didnt play vs UT). And that one game was vs UVA, on the road, where the officials had to publicly admit they got a deciding call wrong. Its a team that won the ACC tournament, beating Miami (a final four team) en route to the title. Granted, Miami was without their post guy after an early injury. It was a team heavily dependent upon Freshman that needed to adjust. Proctor was a different player at the end of the year.

To your latter point, if Flip leaves then yes, there will be significant questions unless the portal answers them. Still much to be decided but having watched this team, i remain convinced, if Roach and Flip return, Duke will be #1 to start and be a very good team.

Yes I’ll think they’ll be preseason #1. They could return 4 starters plus 5 top 20 freshmen. Crazy!!!

 

[Blueheart32]

Scheyer proved this season that he is like Coach K and will only play 6-7 guys. Where do you get the idea that Duke will have 10-12 guys lining up to sit on his bench beside him?

I think its the exact opposite of that. Jon has said one of his goals was to play a much deeper rotation than Duke has in the past. This year, 8 guys averaged 15' or more and one averaged 13'. Would have likely been more without the injuries.

 

[Blueheart32]

Yes I’ll think they’ll be preseason #1. They could return 4 starters plus 5 top 20 freshmen. Crazy!!!

Possible I guess but I'm not expecting them to be preseason #1. And I hope they aren't.

 

[SparksCat]

That’s fine. He’s not a reliable shooter

Proctor will get the most flop calls of any college player ever next year.

We don’t want Filipowski back though.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Yes I’ll think they’ll be preseason #1. They could return 4 starters plus 5 top 20 freshmen. Crazy!!!

They have 3 top20. Not sure where you are getting 5 from. And not one of them is a transcendent talent that will likely change the game as a freshman. We were told OUR freshman aren't that good in the last few weeks.. and three of those guys are top5..

Also I think I'm being fair in saying Flip is most likely gone. He was a top5 recruit who is planning an NBA career. In this day and age, id be surprised if a player like that returns. But we will have to wait and see.

 

[Kingslayer07]

He was a former 5 star, Freshman starter who averaged 9 a game and is built like a senior. That’s a massive return for Duke

I dont care how many stars are next to their name. He was meh.

 

[Kingslayer07]

Duke is going to be the pre-season #1 team next year. So much for them disappearing when K left.

Pre season #1 is a kiss of death. They can have it.

 

[christophero]

It does seem to be a shift from the mass exodus of the past few seasons. NIL could be a factor.

 

[Crawfords Corner]

That's a great return for Duke. Mitchell could be a 1st rounder some day. Highly skilled player.

 

[OmahaCats]

I dont care how many stars are next to their name. He was meh.

He was pretty good for a freshman. Has a ton of potential