Oscar

TNCatfanforever

Heisman
Apr 3, 2003
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Oscar is the best rebounder I have seen since Rodman but that was the extent of his game. He is a great young man from all accounts and would be a better 4 in a different offense. Having said that I have no opinion about him staying or leaving but he was a great rebounder but got excessive offensive rebounds because our shooters laid bricks.
 
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plumdog69

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Jan 12, 2006
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Oscar has been great. Would love for him to come back. He is a great representative and a great player. Happy to see the growth in his game, improving his free throw shooting and shooting slightly. Both need to be better. As does his passing and defense.
 

Yardeth

Heisman
Jan 2, 2007
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Only a fool wouldn't want him back. He has his warts but what he does so well outshines the negatives in his game.
You think if he stays he will learn how to play pick and roll defense? He is too slow laterally and can’t jump over a phone book. If he comes back, he slows down the putrid offense we have.
 

Fitch44

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Feb 11, 2004
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I love and appreciate all the good about Oscar as a person and his game. But I won’t be upset if he moves on. With two legit 7 footers who will battling for the 5 spot next year I would be fine with him moving on.
Cal would just circle back at some point in the season to 4 out and Oscar in and yelling for the entire arena to hear “Throw it inside!!!”

I’m think I’m good on watching that any further.
 

BlueBomb

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Apr 3, 2009
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Only a fool wouldn't want him back. He has his warts but what he does so well outshines the negatives in his game.
Not necessarily.

In 1995, Pitino pushed Roderick Rhodes out the door. Rhodes was a damn good player. Rhodes didn't want to leave, but he could see the writing on the wall, and transferred to another program. Pitino could see that despite Rhodes' obvious talent, the team would be better without him. Addition by subtraction.

I absolutely love Oscar, but I do think it's time for him and us to move on. JMO
 
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E11Q

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Oscar is the best rebounder I have seen since Rodman but that was the extent of his game. He is a great young man from all accounts and would be a better 4 in a different offense. Having said that I have no opinion about him staying or leaving but he was a great rebounder but got excessive offensive rebounds because our shooters laid bricks.
Well, that and he got a ton of garbage rebounds off his own missed layups. He also tends to get a lot of defensive rebounds because he actually fails to rotate correctly and challenge drives to the basket OR is too lazy to rotate to help and gets sealed off by his own man. A very flawed player. But hey, I've already been killed in my own thread on this topic lol.
 

sa_hunt

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Sep 2, 2009
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Only a fool wouldn't want him back. He has his warts but what he does so well outshines the negatives in his game.
No, no it doesn’t. We can not win a title with that man in the middle.
 

anon1751545683

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I want Oscar to stay as long as he wants. But Oscar is not a 4 in any offense. That's just not his game. What Oscar needs is help. He needs someone to make teams pay for doubling and tripling him.

Help is on the way. Oscar is not a super skilled player. He's better but he does not have a craft game. He lacks lateral quickness. He lacks a natural instinct to feel the double and triple coming and dish the ball timely. That's probably something he just can't be taught. He does have a natural instinct to find the ball and the work ethic to refine that talent.

Oscar gets the most out of what he has. Unlike several of his teammates. Oscar has an unquestioned motor. One play Sunday he knocked the ball loose on the baseline and then was the first guy down the floor to receive the pass. Then he brought it down and lost it out of bounds. That's a snapshot of Oscar. His pure determination and work put him position to score. His lack of skills let him lose the ball.

But with all the other intangibles he brings I hope he stays until the NCAA says he's out of time.
 
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know1

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Dec 8, 2002
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Oscar is a fabulous player and a decent coach would figure out how to use him best and minimize his weaknesses. He had a great year again this year, and we'd be foolish to not want him back. At the same time, he really should have left after last year for himself. Staying here did him no favors personally.
 
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E11Q

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No, no it doesn’t. We can not win a title with that man in the middle.
This is exactly correct. How many times in history have you ever seen the returning NPOY be the exact person every team intentionally attacks when they are on offense? Literally, every team's scouting report was some variation of "Force Oscar to guard on the perimeter and in PnRs". Every. Single. Team.
 
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CountryCats

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We will never go far with Oscar. He just has too many limitations in his game, and he doesn't connect well with his teammates because he lives in his own world. From the reports about his time at WVU and now hearing some of the comments around the program here, he doesn't appear to take well to coaching or criticism, and he has his own idea and agenda for how he will play. Regardless of how that suits the team.

He is one of the worst defensive post players I have seen. He lacks athleticism, can't shoot consistently, is turnover and foul prone. While I do concede he is a terrific, all-world rebounder, UK has consistently been a very good rebounding team under Cal. So I don't think that's likely to suffer as a result of not having Oscar.

Personally, I really like Oscar and his effort the last 2 years. He has been a very good representative and generally says the things people like to hear. However, it's become crystal clear it's time for the partnership to end and both parties to move on. Particularly if we actually want to contend again.
 

E11Q

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Oscar is a fabulous player and a decent coach would figure out how to use him best and minimize his weaknesses. He had a great year again this year, and we'd be foolish to not want him back. At the same time, he really should have left after last year for himself. Staying here did him no favors personally.
He won NPOY last year. How much better could Cal and the rest of the staff "figured out how to use him"? I swear, some people just say anything on here without using a shred of common sense.
 
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E11Q

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We will never go far with Oscar. He just has too many limitations in his game, and he doesn't connect well with his teammates because he lives in his own world. From the reports about his time at WVU and now hearing some of the comments around the program here, he doesn't appear to take well to coaching or criticism, and he has his own idea and agenda for how he will play. Regardless of how that suits the team.

He is one of the worst defensive post players I have seen. He lacks athleticism, can't shoot consistently, is turnover and foul prone. While I do concede he is a terrific, all-world rebounder, UK has consistently been a very good rebounding team under Cal. So I don't think that's likely to suffer as a result of not having Oscar.

Personally, I really like Oscar and his effort the last 2 years. He has been a very good representative and generally says the things people like to hear. However, it's become crystal clear it's time for the partnership to end and both parties to move on. Particularly if we actually want to contend again.
This right here! He says a lot of wonderful things that play much better in a congregation on Sundays that they do in a locker room. I think he's such his own dude that he has a very hard time relating to his teammates and was never really the vocal leader of the locker room.

All in all the "Jesus loves me, this I know!" stuff is kind of played out and worn thin. Jesus certainly aint helped him defend the PnR. I'm not knocking the man for his faith. But if we are honest, that kind of stuff simply doesn't play well in today's locker room. Whether you think it should or not is irrelevant. The fact is that it makes it very hard for him to relate to his teammates and clearly caused some chemistry issues because it caused this team to take longer to gel (if they ever really did).
 
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You cant really teach what oscar does. Rebounding involves part strategy and part instincts. He ranks high on both.
Except...he doesn't? A lot of his offensive rebounds are inflated because he takes 15-20 shots at the rim each game and only shoots 50%-ish. Gives him multiple rebounds off his own misses each game.

Defensively he has pretty good instincts for anticipating where the ball is going to come off, but that being said his desire to rebound also screws you defensively because he misses rotations often. He fights for rebounding position instead of sliding over to help on drives when he's supposed to. Or gets sealed off by his man when a guard is driving to the rim and is just lucky he's strong enough to push him under the rim to get better position if the guard happens to miss.

I'd certainly trade 4-5 of his rebounds for an extra block and a half per game because rim protection was severely lacking from this team.
 

senonesy

All-American
Nov 30, 2017
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Oscar played his best ball this year when Cal brought him out from the basket a bit. He was money on the 15 foot jumper there for awhile. Plus, it opened the floor and didn’t clog the lane. Not sure why Cal went away from that. It opened up driving lanes for Wallace and even Reeves was doing some good things driving to the basket. That being said, would take him back in a heartbeat.
 
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KYCAT78

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May 24, 2006
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Only a fool wouldn't want him back. He has his warts but what he does so well outshines the negatives in his game.
Any team in the Country would want Oscar to come back. Many of our problems have been let's move to the next flavor. A good Coach could identify Oscar's weaknesses and adapt his style of play to minimize his deficiencies.
 
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BabyBlue54

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The question is, do you want his production at the risk of more locker room issues next year? Can he gel with the guys next year?
 

Bluesman_1950

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Without Oscar, we might not have had a winning season the past two years. Can you imagine Kentucky with three straight losing seasons. Really, think of Lance Ware as the starting center, with Damion Collins as the backup, the past two seasons! We might have been Louisville bad!!!!
 
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CountryCats

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Oscar's been in college 4 years, 2 different schools and 2 different coaches. He isn't changing. He is what he is at this point. Time to move on to something different. You OSCAR over UK fans can go cheer him on at his next stop.
 
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KYFOSSIL

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Jan 13, 2005
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10,394
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So a couple of y’all sign up for the first time ever or these are new names for you literally just to put down Oscar, minimalize all that he’s done, disagreed with everybody that named him an all American or national player of the year. A couple times you emphasize that may because his problem because he’s a Christian. You ******** how serious agenda on this and the fans are hurting from what I just went through Oscar with his falls played his *** off and I can’t imagine what it would be like without him this year and last year so really why don’t y’all take your agenda drive ship somewhere else.
 

Randy Bob

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Jun 14, 2009
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Double doubles his whole career at Ky do not remember many players ever doing that and also a great person also. I would like to see him back.
 
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TheDude73

Heisman
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So a couple of y’all sign up for the first time ever or these are new names for you literally just to put down Oscar, minimalize all that he’s done, disagreed with everybody that named him an all American or national player of the year. A couple times you emphasize that may because his problem because he’s a Christian. You ******** how serious agenda on this and the fans are hurting from what I just went through Oscar with his falls played his *** off and I can’t imagine what it would be like without him this year and last year so really why don’t y’all take your agenda drive ship somewhere else.
I've not seen anyone say his problem is because he's Christian. News to me. One guy poked at his overt religiosity in interviews, but at no point have I seen anyone minimalizing what he's done at UK and blaming his religious beliefs. This is just not a true statement.

I'd take him back and be excited if he decided to do so. I don't care about his religion or that he talks about it openly. Now if I met him for an autograph and he started preaching to me and asking me if I've found Jesus in my life, I'd probably have to say "dude, not now man". But if religion is what keeps him hopping and getting rebounds and loving Kentucky enough to come back, by all means, feel free (just don't shove it in my face... :) ).
 

KYFOSSIL

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Jan 13, 2005
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I've not seen anyone say his problem is because he's Christian. News to me. One guy poked at his overt religiosity in interviews, but at no point have I seen anyone minimalizing what he's done at UK and blaming his religious beliefs. This is just not a true statement.

I'd take him back and be excited if he decided to do so. I don't care about his religion or that he talks about it openly. Now if I met him for an autograph and he started preaching to me and asking me if I've found Jesus in my life, I'd probably have to say "dude, not now man". But if religion is what keeps him hopping and getting rebounds and loving Kentucky enough to come back, by all means, feel free (just don't shove it in my face... :) ).
I don’t know if you read all the messages in this thread with the revolution ******* spend a whole paragraph saying that that stuff doesn’t work in the locker room and it causes problems and I don’t remember anybody ever saying that Oscar shoved it in front of them during any conversation or whatever. All I know all sudden many target him after it was start about two or three people that might be the same person that’s been banned half a dozen times. It was also written here and elsewhere is supposedly he’s been approving the locker room and yet never heard about that
 

saxonburgcat

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Aug 22, 2012
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Not necessarily.

In 1995, Pitino pushed Roderick Rhodes out the door. Rhodes was a damn good player. Rhodes didn't want to leave, but he could see the writing on the wall, and transferred to another program. Pitino could see that despite Rhodes' obvious talent, the team would be better without him. Addition by subtraction.

I absolutely love Oscar, but I do think it's time for him and us to move on. JMO

JP Scott has an article on his web page disputing that. It has been a long time since I read it but it might be some good bedtime reading.
 
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So a couple of y’all sign up for the first time ever or these are new names for you literally just to put down Oscar, minimalize all that he’s done, disagreed with everybody that named him an all American or national player of the year. A couple times you emphasize that may because his problem because he’s a Christian. You ******** how serious agenda on this and the fans are hurting from what I just went through Oscar with his falls played his *** off and I can’t imagine what it would be like without him this year and last year so really why don’t y’all take your agenda drive ship somewhere else.
Comprehension isn't your strength, is it?

Who put Oscar down? Sure looks like everyone is in consensus that he is a terrific rebounder, gives great effort, represents the school and himself well and is a great ambassador for the fans. Yet, none of that negates his liability on defense. His lack of consistent shooting. His propensity to fouling and being a little difficult to take direction that he doesn’t agree with.

His own coaches have given interviews about these issues, as have others around the program. He had similar comments made about him during his time at WVU. There was a full write-up about it on KSR yesterday. His own teammates even admit to liking him but admitting he is hard to relate with or connect to because he lives in his own world and does his own thing. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't work well in a team setting.

We get you love Oscar. Most of us do too. But we can also see the situation as it is and be honest about it. Oscar just isn't the type of player that the top teams have success with today. You need post players who are mobile and defend at a high level. High end shot blockers are a premium. You also need them to be able to stretch the floor, pass out of double and triple teams and connect with teammates and take cosching. None of those are things Oscar does well. And he has now played 4 years, so it's not changing.
 

bluedog79

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Mar 4, 2008
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Put a quick-footed shot blocker behind him to help him out. Switch positions with the quick-footed shot blocker would also work.

Think: Terrence Jones.
He block your shot easily one vs one and guard pick and roll.
 

maysvilleky

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IMO…Oscar will use his graduate transfer year and play somewhere else next year. He makes more money thru NIL than he would as a marginal NBA player. But, I don’t see him playing another year at UK.
 
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Tough call. On one hand, if UK doesn't have shooters, going to need a lot of rebounding. But he clogs up the middle which makes drives more difficult for rest of team, and his defense against a mobile big is just atrocious.

Just depends on the rest of the team but personally think it's not.a bad thing if he moves on.
 

UKnCincy_rivals

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Except...he doesn't? A lot of his offensive rebounds are inflated because he takes 15-20 shots at the rim each game and only shoots 50%-ish. Gives him multiple rebounds off his own misses each game.

Defensively he has pretty good instincts for anticipating where the ball is going to come off, but that being said his desire to rebound also screws you defensively because he misses rotations often. He fights for rebounding position instead of sliding over to help on drives when he's supposed to. Or gets sealed off by his man when a guard is driving to the rim and is just lucky he's strong enough to push him under the rim to get better position if the guard happens to miss.

I'd certainly trade 4-5 of his rebounds for an extra block and a half per game because rim protection was severely lacking from this team.
If you believe that Oscar takes 15-20 shots at the rim per game, then I’m not sure you actually watched any games this year.

He averaged just over 10 field goal attempts per game this season.

He also made 69.8% of his field goal attempts at the rim. Much higher than the 50% in your post, and also higher than the D-I average of 62.9% at the rim.

Oscar certainly has his deficiencies, but you should at least get your facts straight.
 
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E11Q

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If you believe that Oscar takes 15-20 shots at the rim per game, then I’m not sure you actually watched any games this year.

He averaged just over 10 field goal attempts per game this season.

He also made 69.8% of his field goal attempts at the rim. Much higher than the 50% in your post, and also higher than the D-I average of 62.9% at the rim.

Oscar certainly has his deficiencies, but you should at least get your facts straight.
Yea I mean I was clearly exaggerating on the shot attempts part, but overall he shoots slightly above 50% from the field and the majority of his shots come right at the rim.

I'd be interested in comparing his at the rim % to others of his same position. That overall at the rim percentage you mentioned gets deflated a bit because it includes guards and smaller wing players.