Chris Livingston

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
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Livingston is the exact type player we havnt held onto for a second year and is probably the exact type player who would make the most impact coming back.

He will be PHENOMENAL next year. Huge “recruit”
So would Wallace, I doubt he will return with the guards we have coming in and his draft stock being so good most of the year. I haven’t checked it lately, but he would be killer as a sophomore.
 

jc2010

All-Conference
May 13, 2008
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Let 's hope Cow sells coming back for another year and not the NBA
 
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So would Wallace, I doubt he will return with the guards we have coming in and his draft stock being so good most of the year. I haven’t checked it lately, but he would be killer as a sophomore.


Of course. So would John wall and AD

My point was we have lost a lot of players who weren’t going to be drafted first round bc they think they failed or this or that
 
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K_TIME

Heisman
Jan 2, 2003
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So here is my quandry with Livingston....

1. He's had two really good games back to back....and his effort on boards while Oscar gets so much attention...that is a huge shot in the arm.
2. But....we've been arguing for more Benny lineup....and Chris at the SF was the main guy in the way of playing the Benny lineup.

So when CJ is back....do you ignore the Benny lineup or do you replace CJ with Reeves at the SG and Livingston at the 3 and that is your best line up going forward.?
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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Of course. So would John wall and AD

My point was we have lost a lot of players who weren’t going to be drafted first round bc they think they failed or this or that
Well Livingston was projected around 10th before the year started. I believe Wallace was top 5, I haven’t checked thru the year though.
 

*Fox2Monk*

Heisman
Jun 10, 2009
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So here is my quandry with Livingston....

1. He's had two really good games back to back....and his effort on boards while Oscar gets so much attention...that is a huge shot in the arm.
2. But....we've been arguing for more Benny lineup....and Chris at the SF was the main guy in the way of playing the Benny lineup.

So when CJ is back....do you ignore the Benny lineup or do you replace CJ with Reeves at the SG and Livingston at the 3 and that is your best line up going forward.?
I’d say it depends on the matchup and how CJ shoots
 
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irishcat1965

Heisman
Apr 22, 2012
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I really like how Chris is playing now. Struggled a bit when his minutes were limited but when Cal decided he better go all in on playing him major minutes, he has improved to the point where he is problem for the opponent now.
Too bad Cal didn’t give Hopkins minutes like Chris has gotten because having Hopkins on this team would probably be the difference in another 4 wins.
 
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ukhemingway

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Dec 21, 2005
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is a grown *** man who is finally getting comfortable on the UK stage. Great hybrid forward who when he rebounds the ball keeps his value to this team no matter what happens on the other end, keep going young buck.
 
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Cats_2010

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Jan 8, 2010
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So here is my quandry with Livingston....

1. He's had two really good games back to back....and his effort on boards while Oscar gets so much attention...that is a huge shot in the arm.
2. But....we've been arguing for more Benny lineup....and Chris at the SF was the main guy in the way of playing the Benny lineup.

So when CJ is back....do you ignore the Benny lineup or do you replace CJ with Reeves at the SG and Livingston at the 3 and that is your best line up going forward.?
The key to the Benny lineup is having Wallace, reeves and CJ in. Think you could pair any 2 of Oscar, livingston, or toppin with them and be fine. We still have yet to see a game where all 3 of CJ, Wallace, and reeves were all playing their A game.
 
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mcwildcats04

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Jul 19, 2003
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So here is my quandry with Livingston....

1. He's had two really good games back to back....and his effort on boards while Oscar gets so much attention...that is a huge shot in the arm.
2. But....we've been arguing for more Benny lineup....and Chris at the SF was the main guy in the way of playing the Benny lineup.

So when CJ is back....do you ignore the Benny lineup or do you replace CJ with Reeves at the SG and Livingston at the 3 and that is your best line up going forward.?
I would give the current starting 5 the majority of the minutes moving forward. I think that is our best bet. Have Fredrick spell Reeves or Livingston when they need a break. And have Wheeler spell Wallace for a few minutes here and there. Think this gives us our best chance. Livingston is more than capable of stretching the floor and hitting 3s when he's wide open and not rushed and he's bringing so much more to the table now.
 
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kyrx

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I do not know about the Portal but he is not going to NBA.
This exactly. The Portal.
Tucker's article on him on The Athletic today kind of painted the picture of him and his family as disgruntled but quiet on his usage and role.
Sounds like a prime candidate to transfer at year's end. Hope I'm wrong.
 

HalHR2500

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Jan 28, 2002
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He is a physical presence which is much needed on this team

Reminds me of a guy now at Providence
 
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bucsrule8872

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May 30, 2005
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The key to the Benny lineup is having Wallace, reeves and CJ in. Think you could pair any 2 of Oscar, livingston, or toppin with them and be fine. We still have yet to see a game where all 3 of CJ, Wallace, and reeves were all playing their A game.
Fredrick needs to be worked back in slowly. I want him healthy during the postseason. I want him coming in firing shots for 2-3 minutes, then heading back to the bench instead chasing guys all over the floor for 30 minutes a game. He is wasting his legs, putting so much energy into playing defense. Have him fresh the last 4-5 minutes of the game when it’s winning time.

I would continue to start Wallace, Reeves, Livingston, Toppin, and Tshiebwe. Bring Wheeler, Fredrick, Thiero, Collins, and Ware for briefs stints each when their guy needs a break (not collectively). None of those bench guys need more than 10 minutes a game, except maybe Fredrick if he gets hot, then play him 20 minutes max. The rest of the bench are just there to keep the starters fresh, IMHO.
 
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So here is my quandry with Livingston....

1. He's had two really good games back to back....and his effort on boards while Oscar gets so much attention...that is a huge shot in the arm.
2. But....we've been arguing for more Benny lineup....and Chris at the SF was the main guy in the way of playing the Benny lineup.

So when CJ is back....do you ignore the Benny lineup or do you replace CJ with Reeves at the SG and Livingston at the 3 and that is your best line up going forward.?

The benny lineup is a great lineup and it's criminal that Cal just refused to play them together for so long. But it's not the only group of 5 that we can play well and win with. I recognized a couple weeks ago that 4 Bennies + Livingston was a good lineup. Those 6 should be the primary rotation. If at all possible, play 4 of them together when Oscar is out along with a backup center that matches up with the opponent. Play Thiero as next sub and Wheeler limited minutes as a change of pace point guard when Wallace is out.
 

carolinacat

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Nov 7, 2007
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So here is my quandry with Livingston....

1. He's had two really good games back to back....and his effort on boards while Oscar gets so much attention...that is a huge shot in the arm.
2. But....we've been arguing for more Benny lineup....and Chris at the SF was the main guy in the way of playing the Benny lineup.

So when CJ is back....do you ignore the Benny lineup or do you replace CJ with Reeves at the SG and Livingston at the 3 and that is your best line up going forward.?
Some of you have been arguing for that Benny lineup. Personally, I think our best five are the guys who have started the last few games. Let CJ (if he gets healthy) spell Reeves and also move Reeves to the 3 when Chris needs a blow. I think we need Livingston's size and strength to play big boy basketball with the UT's and Alabama's of the world...as well as the teams we'll face in the NCAA (if we make it).
 
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K_TIME

Heisman
Jan 2, 2003
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If it were me

- I’d still play Bennie lineup and get Livingston in at the four and cut into Toppin minutes
- I’d rotate CJ with 20 Minutes at rhe SG and SF

PG - Wallace 28 minutes/ Wheeler 12 minutes
SG - Reevees 20 minutes/ Wallace 5 minutes/ CJ. 15 minutes
SF - Livingston 20 minutes/ reeves 10 minutes/ Frederick 10 minutes
PF - Toppin 25 minutes/ Livingston 10 minutes/ Ware 5
C - Oscar 30 minutes/ Ware or Collins 10 minutes

I don’t see a rotation for Thiero but I’d wheeler is out for year….then I guess he’s getting those wheeler minutes. Ideally id like to get all players under 35-32 minutes. I hate guys playing near 40 minutes
 

Kingseve1

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Fredrick needs to be worked back in slowly. I want him healthy during the postseason. I want him coming in firing shots for 2-3 minutes, then heading back to the bench instead chasing guys all over the floor for 30 minutes a game. He is wasting his legs, putting so much energy into playing defense. Have him fresh the last 4-5 minutes of the game when it’s winning time.

I would continue to start Wallace, Reeves, Livingston, Toppin, and Tshiebwe. Bring Wheeler, Fredrick, Thiero, Collins, and Ware for briefs stints each when their guy needs a break (not collectively). None of those bench guys need more than 10 minutes a game, except maybe Fredrick if he gets hot, then play him 20 minutes max. The rest of the bench are just there to keep the starters fresh, IMHO.
This!!!!!! CJ is a role player. Not a 15 minute plus guy. Average shooter and can’t play defense at all
 

AGEE11

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Jan 10, 2014
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Had two HUGE rebounds Saturday.

Really emerging as a top player for the team.

If he comes back as a 4 next year, look out
 

dc513

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Fredrick needs to be worked back in slowly. I want him healthy during the postseason. I want him coming in firing shots for 2-3 minutes, then heading back to the bench instead chasing guys all over the floor for 30 minutes a game. He is wasting his legs, putting so much energy into playing defense. Have him fresh the last 4-5 minutes of the game when it’s winning time.

I would continue to start Wallace, Reeves, Livingston, Toppin, and Tshiebwe. Bring Wheeler, Fredrick, Thiero, Collins, and Ware for briefs stints each when their guy needs a break (not collectively). None of those bench guys need more than 10 minutes a game, except maybe Fredrick if he gets hot, then play him 20 minutes max. The rest of the bench are just there to keep the starters fresh, IMHO.
This I agree.
 

bucsrule8872

Heisman
May 30, 2005
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This!!!!!! CJ is a role player. Not a 15 minute plus guy. Average shooter and can’t play defense at all
He is actually a pretty good defender, but it is wearing him out with the effort he puts into it trying to play great defense for 30+ minutes. He needs to play sparingly and be ready late in tight games to come in and make big shots. He’s just not a 30+ minute guys for sure. 20 minutes max and part of the rotation at the end of the game.
 

deep3

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May 15, 2002
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Him and Toppin. Toppin still needs to get tougher. But he’s scoring a lot more, and actually hitting some 3
Toppin is very skilled but I am not sure I have seen a softer player than him every time he goes hard and gets hit he is holding something . This team has some really soft players unfortunately, we need more Wallace's mentally
 
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UK-Chulo

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Toppin is very skilled but I am not sure I have seen a softer player than him every time he goes hard and gets hit he is holding something . This team has some really soft players unfortunately, we need more Wallace's mentally
You say this and I can picture dozens of times it has happened. [laughing]
 
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