I will wait and see as Wallace or Livingston has not played a game in college yet. I hope they are as good as some think they are. I just have to be shown to believe on players.
Wallace already projecting top 7 in NBA draft
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Wallace has not played a single second for UK and people are already saying he has to have the ball in his hands. Just laughable craziness.
Hilarious to see so many ready to bench Wheeler, when either Coleman or Antigua (can’t remember which) said he might be the best PG in the nation.
Maybe, pretty sure he was ranked really high on rivals. Since that’s the site we are on, that’s what site I shall use. Lol
It was Simmons and Murray, I don’t care what any rankings were, also several
Didn’t even rank Murray when he reclassified.
Wheeler will play a vital role if we are to be our best version and hopefully achieve the goal of winning a national championship. However, IMO, our best 5 by the end of the year will be the 5 I mentioned. Just because Wheeler isn’t in that 5 doesn’t mean I’m not rooting like hell for him to be an all star at his role and be a catalyst that drives us to a national title. Now, all of this is subject to change if Wheeler has dramatically improved his jump shot. Specifically from
3. I know he actually shot a decent percentage from three last year, but there is a hitch in his shot and the confidence isn’t there that his shot will stay consistent enough to provide the spacing needed to run an efficient offense long term.
And he was like top 3. I specifically remember this. His ranking didn’t get added to our recruiting class and everybody was bitching about that, shocker lol.
Regardless, Wallace is a stud. I’ve been excited about him for a minute. He’s gonna be a good one. I hope he’s top 5 pick good.
Eric Bledsoe was shorter but he was jacked.
We could dream, would have been awesome. Looks like it was closer than he thought to being a second rounder as well.!
Ridiculous. Way too harsh on wheeler.. what are the liabilities that outweigh avg 7 assists a game?!? Shooting 31% from 3? That's not anywhere near as bad as most make it seem.
Finished 2nd team sec twice now if I'm not mistaken. Every top coach in America was wanting the kid from the portal last season, Bill Self admitted how good he was on national TV during our game... But this fan says he doesn't positively benefit the team smh
This should be our starting lineup in my opinion.
Wheeler
Wallace
Livingston
Toppin
Oscar
Wheeler
Wallace
Livingston
Toppin
Oscar
Cal won't do it. Just like Brooks over Toppin and Hopkins last year, Cal's loyalty to certain players is just a head shaker. Wheeler would have to be Quade Greene/Kahlil Whitney bad for Cal to go to Livingston.
Maybe stop worrying about what others have to say and post your own opinions???
Maybe stop attacking everyone that doesn't share your same exact opinions???
Maybe stop trying to he a hall monitor for this screen name? I mean, you're on your 30th screen name, how about trying something different this time???
He's the best pg in the country… .in an up and down game and so far, every practice clip shows the team running up and down the court, like they're playing uNC every game.
But in a half court possession game, Wheeler is not the best pg and might be one of the worst in the SEC.
Has nothing to do with loyalty. Wheeler is really good. He should be the best PG in the nation this year. Stop hating on guys that are actually good.
Most books have Kentucky with the fourth best odds at +1200. Knock on wood, could see this team with only 5 losses so those odds probably won’t get any longer.
This. Truth is truth and we saw what Wheeler can give you in the NCAA tourney, an early plane ride home.
Couple of misnomers regarding Murray here. He blew up his Jr/Sr year of high school. Prior to the Nike Hoops Summit:
Rivals.com rated him the No. 15 player in the class of 2016
Murray is currently the No. 11 shooting guard in the Class of 2016, according to 247Sports.com.
Murray, who also reclassified from the 2016 recruiting class to 2015 and will play for the Cats next season, saw his stock soar after a 30-point performance for the World Select Team against the United States in the Nike Hoop Summit in April.
After Hoops Summit:
The Ontario, Canada, native is the seventh-ranked shooting guard in the country and 30th-best player in the class of 2015, according to 247Sports' composite rankings. He's ranked the No. 10 prospect in 2015 by 247Sports.com.
Murray was ranked #9 on rivals in the final 2015 rankings.
Also our class was #2 with Murray included, by at least one publication:
Despite adding Murray to the fold, Kentucky remains at No. 2 in the 2015 class rankings, one spot behind Duke.
Murray was obviously under-ranked though. I'd love for Wallace to be as good as Murray.
Rivals.com rated him the No. 15 player in the class of 2016
Murray is currently the No. 11 shooting guard in the Class of 2016, according to 247Sports.com.
Murray, who also reclassified from the 2016 recruiting class to 2015 and will play for the Cats next season, saw his stock soar after a 30-point performance for the World Select Team against the United States in the Nike Hoop Summit in April.
After Hoops Summit:
The Ontario, Canada, native is the seventh-ranked shooting guard in the country and 30th-best player in the class of 2015, according to 247Sports' composite rankings. He's ranked the No. 10 prospect in 2015 by 247Sports.com.
Murray was ranked #9 on rivals in the final 2015 rankings.
Also our class was #2 with Murray included, by at least one publication:
Despite adding Murray to the fold, Kentucky remains at No. 2 in the 2015 class rankings, one spot behind Duke.
Murray was obviously under-ranked though. I'd love for Wallace to be as good as Murray.
My apologies if I’m reading it wrong, but I dont think @ralphdaltonfan post was meant to say Wheeler isn’t looking that great, but that Wallace is just looking that good. And if that’s the case we should be pretty damn good.
You know, I really don't give a **** about your opinion. I'm about getting sick of getting attacked by you Cal suckers, because my opinion is unlike yours.
I'm a fan of Wheeler, I love the kid's game and he might be the best pg in the country, but only in an up and down type game. In games where the opponent forces a half court style game, Wheeler struggles.
Go ahead and deny that if you want, I really don't care and if the truth hurts you that much, get off Rupp Rafters, it's just that simple.
Meh, IIRC, they had our 20/21 team at similar odds.
Those odds aren't worth the paper they're written on at this point.
Assists don't tell the whole story for him IMO...too many turnovers (barely 2:1 A/T ratio last year), and his lack of shooting disrupts the entire offensive flow; defenses completely sagged inside the foul line on him all year. Now if his shot has improved...??
What I was saying is what I was told. The guy who knows basketball and has worked in it for a lifetime went and watched practice. He said it's going to be best for the team when it matters for Wallace to have the ball in his hands and play the PG spot and Wheeler to have a lesser role.
I've not seen a thing. Just sharing what was told to me by someone who has seen the team/specifically Wallace practice. Someone wanted a note-here you go. Wheeler's not a horrible player by any means, but sounds like Wallace has impressed.
And he's built like a brick *********, and Tyty was really soft. I'm not talking about his attitude or the intangible type of soft. I'm talking about his body. I liked how Tyty played, good pace, good decisions, good shooter before the injuries. But he wasn't very strong and his body was just soft. Wallace is coming in built like a man. Tyty was built like a WNBA player.
This brings back me watching how electric Murray was for the world team at Nike Hoops, before the game it was "Murray who" then Cal totally was blown away after that one game, as me and everyone watching were. Dude totally tore up the USA team single-handedly. Cal said I gotta jump on this.
Let me know when Wheeler is projected top 10 on draft boards. I’ve seen enough of Wallace to know his skills will translate to this level & he will be a better player than Wheeler all season.
I think the lack of buzz probably stems from the heat Cal has received the past few seasons. It's been a distraction and caused a lot of skeptics. More people taking a wait and see approach to these guys.
Yep. I'm optimistic on Wallace but just want to wait to see him compete against other college players until I blow him up as the next big thing. If he turns out to be -- GREAT. But nothing is for certain with these guys. I love his build though. Tired of skinny 19 year olds out there that can't bench 185 getting pushed around.
Just have to let the cake bake. It will work itself out in time. They all will accept their roles. Can’t wait to see them get started.
Practice is one thing games are another. I don’t think anyone can project our best lineups without giving them time to work together. Sometimes the best lineups aren’t always the best 5 players on the floor at one time. A lot of these freshmen can’t share very well and the d needs work. Spacing is an issue. Used to standing and performing with the ball.
For example. I think CJ is a skilled passer. Used to playing with a big post player and will be able to get the ball to Oscar, Toppin and Collins because of experience. Knows how to move and space the floor. Experienced determined and a winners makeup. Team first guy.
Practice is one thing games are another. I don’t think anyone can project our best lineups without giving them time to work together. Sometimes the best lineups aren’t always the best 5 players on the floor at one time. A lot of these freshmen can’t share very well and the d needs work. Spacing is an issue. Used to standing and performing with the ball.
For example. I think CJ is a skilled passer. Used to playing with a big post player and will be able to get the ball to Oscar, Toppin and Collins because of experience. Knows how to move and space the floor. Experienced determined and a winners makeup. Team first guy.
Lol, dude, I’m not saying he’s Dennis Rodman but Toppin is WITHOUT QUESTION, a plus defender and has been for awhile.
I think they’re totally different players but I think he is and needs to be significantly better than TYty. Tyty is a talented player but soft as charmin super soft.
What I said was that we would be a better team with Wallace, Fredrick & Reeves on the floor together. I explained my stance on Wheeler. He’s 5-8, for starters, & a liability on defense. He can’t shoot, so, teams can lay off him & clog the paint, which makes EVERYTHING else harder than it has to be. He can’t go right & tries to do too much, too often, & has a tendency to play out of control, which has led to several bad shots & turnovers. What is incorrect about those points? I said he does some good things, but, IMO, we will be a better team with Wallace at PG, bc he’s a better player & we can play Fredrick & Reeves together, assuming Fredrick is healthy.
I don’t think we can win a championship with Wheeler as the primary PG, unless we have at least 3 shooters around him. And championships are the goal, here. Doesn’t mean I think he’s a horrible player. His flaws won’t hurt us against most teams. But, against good teams, with good PGs, we’ll be in trouble, IMO. The only proof we have is a first round loss to St Freaking Peter’s. What exactly about Wheeler’s game makes you think differently? Do you not see an issue playing him, Toppin & Oscar together for 30 mpg? If not, Idk what to tell you. Spacing is a must if you want to win a championship & we don’t have it with those 3 playing together. At least counter my points & tell me why I’m wrong. Not just that Bill Self wanted him. Maybe Self has some shooters to play with him.
We haven’t seen a single game yet. That is going to change next week. Right now, if I’m the coach, I’m trying:
PG Wallace
SG Fredrick
SF Livingston
PF Toppin
C Tshiebwe
I like having Wallace at PG, with his size and defensive skills. I like Fredrick for his shooting. Livingston at the 3 for his athleticism and defense. Toppin for defense. Tshiebwe goes without saying. Bring Wheeler, Reeves, and Collins off the bench. Wheeler would give us energy off the bench. Reeves gives us a scoring boost off the bench. Collins gives us a rim protector off the bench.
Now I expect Cal to go with this:
PG Wheeler
SG Wallace
SF Livingston
PF Toppin
C Tshiebwe
Wheeler is starting and playing 30+ minutes every game. He’s a Senior and a good leader on the floor despite his liabilities. Wallace is special and will have to be on the floor as well. Livingston has the elite athleticism that Cal covets. Toppin is a Senior and excels on the defensive end and Cal seems to be comfortable with his improving offense. And I don’t have to explain why Tshiebwe is starting. That’s the team I think Cal wants to see. He wants defense and rebounding. He wants to push tempo when he can. That is the team that gives you that. Fredrick and Reeves provide an offensive boost off the bench. Collins splits time with Toppin at the 4.
PG Wallace
SG Fredrick
SF Livingston
PF Toppin
C Tshiebwe
I like having Wallace at PG, with his size and defensive skills. I like Fredrick for his shooting. Livingston at the 3 for his athleticism and defense. Toppin for defense. Tshiebwe goes without saying. Bring Wheeler, Reeves, and Collins off the bench. Wheeler would give us energy off the bench. Reeves gives us a scoring boost off the bench. Collins gives us a rim protector off the bench.
Now I expect Cal to go with this:
PG Wheeler
SG Wallace
SF Livingston
PF Toppin
C Tshiebwe
Wheeler is starting and playing 30+ minutes every game. He’s a Senior and a good leader on the floor despite his liabilities. Wallace is special and will have to be on the floor as well. Livingston has the elite athleticism that Cal covets. Toppin is a Senior and excels on the defensive end and Cal seems to be comfortable with his improving offense. And I don’t have to explain why Tshiebwe is starting. That’s the team I think Cal wants to see. He wants defense and rebounding. He wants to push tempo when he can. That is the team that gives you that. Fredrick and Reeves provide an offensive boost off the bench. Collins splits time with Toppin at the 4.
Just like when the season came down to Brooks last year, he just couldn’t carry the team to victory.
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