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It is amazing how intolerant are those who claim moral superiority over those of faith, and claim to embrace most anything (as long as it is anti-conservative, or anti-religious). A person who doesn’t discriminate, demonstrates poor judgment, and likely a very flexible moral code.

Why must someone who is a Christian be forced to violate their faith or go out of business? For that matter, why should your daughter be forced to either not use a public rest room, or to possibly share it with a man?

And these mayors, governors, whoever, that are banning travel to Mississippi…how many of them would allow travel to Cuba, or China, or do business with companies from those locations?

Common sense has flown the coop.

For those who believe that Christians should be forced to violate their faith, how do you feel about conscientious objectors; those, like Ali, who refuse to defend their country? The gay couple can get a cake at a lot of places, with probably no inconvenience. The person who has to take the place of a “conscientious objector” may lose his life. My guess is that a majority of those who object to religious freedom make an exception in the case of “conscientious objector.” That makes no sense.

There is a lot more venom spewed against Christianity/Conservatism on this board than most anything else (Ole Miss may get more). I really do not understand it.

Some of you may develop values or attachments to things like the Constitution that come under attack. And as you surrender to those who have become even more enlightened than you, remember your position that your beliefs don’t matter unless your beliefs are that anything, other than common sense and Christianity, is acceptable.
 
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Honestly, I think we should lock down the politics threads after they're posted and ban the original poster. But that wouldn't have worked today. We need rugb so our baseball team can make it through the season.
 

121Josey

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You are a slave to the LGBT community. You must sell your house, car, children, etc. to them whether they are for sale or not. You must also hire them if they file an application in your business no matter if there is not a job posted. [ETA: And if you repair automobiles, you'd better be prepared to bake them a wedding cake while they wait because you cannot deny them the service that they request.]

If you are the buyer you are free to do business as you please. However, if you are the seller, you have no control over how you discriminate between your business partners. Someone maybe, just maybe, is an LGBT in disguise looking to take over your business.
 
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hatfieldms

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Hey do as you please

But just make sure you discriminate against al sinners. Not just the ones you pick and choose to single out
 

ckDOG

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Which beliefs get protected and where do you stop?

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patdog

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Why must someone who is a Christian be forced to violate their faith or go out of business?
Since when does anyone's Christian faith extend to judging what other's do or don't do with their life? I'm a Christian and I've got plenty of friends and clients who live their lives differently than I live mine. And yet somehow, none of that affects my faith or relationship with God one iota.
 

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The world has completely lost their minds in trying to accept any and everything people choose to do. Right and wrong have gone out the window. I was honestly told the other day to be more gender sensitive. You can no lother even speculate on who is a man or woman without offending people. When these people try to tell me I'm crazy I just shake my head. You can become so lost you no longer know which way is up and which way is down. We've reached that point as a society.
 
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Most of the comments in this thread don't address, or even acknowledge the issues mentioned in my original post.

As noted by wd, there is some garbage in this thread, such as, "what would I do if I had a trans child," and "hate the world." None of the comments I made even implied that I, or Christianity, hate gays. Those who think Christianity hates gays don't know a lot about Christianity. What I would do if I had a trans child has nothing to do with what a business owner should be required to do.

It seems like a lot of you would be of the opinion that a business owner should be forced to cater a wife swapping orgy or a pedophile convention. If you are of the opinion that common sense and religious values can not determine some limits in the way you operate your business, you are at least consistent in supporting anything goes for everyone as long as no restraint is shown. If you would allow an exception for the business owner in those types of activities, you're inconsistent, and you admit that doing business does not require one to do business with any and everybody.

Some of you enlightened folks love to jump into political threads and show how tolerant you are of those who share your opinion.
 

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Since when does anyone's Christian faith extend to judging what other's do or don't do with their life? I'm a Christian and I've got plenty of friends and clients who live their lives differently than I live mine. And yet somehow, none of that affects my faith or relationship with God one iota.

None of these "friends" are MSU signees or JPD officers.**

As far as I'm concerned, he's not "one of ours." At least I hope he's not. This guy is a potential felon, depending on what the DA does with this, and he's definitely a coward. I don't want him anywhere near our locker room.

Agreed. There are way too many thugs playing college and pro sports. I'd just as soon not have them at my school. This is one more example of why I think the NCAA needs to take the role of the NFL in handing out suspensions for off-field incidents. The coach has a vested interest in not suspending a player for something like this (see Les Miles and Hugh Freeze, among others).

And you are missing that it's possible for one party (the criminal) to be at fault, while another party (the police) can also contribute to the accident. It's a fact that it IS his fault, and he should be charged with vehicular homicide. It's also a fact that if the police hadn't been chasing him, he wouldn't have killed anyone.
 

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I Horse laugh when I think about Katlin Jenner

Nothin ya'll can do about that.

I really don't give a **** what you think!


Now lock it!
 

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“I am signing H.B. 1523 into law to protect sincerely held religious beliefs and moral convictions of individuals, organizations, and private associations from discriminatory actions from state government or its political subdivisions,” Gov. Bryant said in a statement released this afternoon.
 
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Since when does anyone's Christian faith extend to judging what other's do or don't do with their life? I'm a Christian and I've got plenty of friends and clients who live their lives differently than I live mine. And yet somehow, none of that affects my faith or relationship with God one iota.

How others live their lives is their 'business.' Like many others, I have friends from various faiths, no faith, etc.. Not trying to tell anyone else how to live, and not even saying how I live. What I'm referring to is being forced into situations that are clearly against one's religious beliefs.
 

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a business owner should be forced to cater a wife swapping orgy or a pedophile convention.

Wow, I'm surprised you left out bestiality. Seriously...you assume that because two "gays" are being married, the event will somehow regress to Caligula levels of depravity?

I guess the same wedding photographer/cake maker would abstain from serving nuptials where alcohol is served?
 

patdog

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What I'm referring to is being forced into situations that are clearly against one's religious beliefs.
No. What you're referring to is wanting to discriminate against people you don't approve of. If you sell a product to someone, once you sell it, it's theirs. You have no obligation or right to decide what they do with it.
 

patdog

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You're trying to compare a criminal matter with legal behavior. It's not even close to a valid comparison. And, as a matter of fact, I do have at least one friend on JPD.
 

BeardoMSU

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How others live their lives is their 'business.' Like many others, I have friends from various faiths, no faith, etc.. Not trying to tell anyone else how to live, and not even saying how I live. What I'm referring to is being forced into situations that are clearly against one's religious beliefs.

What situations have you or anyone you know been "forced into"?
 

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You're trying to compare a criminal matter with legal behavior. It's not even close to a valid comparison. And, as a matter of fact, I do have at least one friend on JPD.

Since when is playing FB for MSU a legal matter? Is there a law against anyone arrested playing collegiate sports?
 

patdog

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That's perfectly fine. But you can't actively discriminate against him (or her). All this law is going to accomplish is to drive business and tourism dollars away from Mississippi, and cost the state legal fees to defend a lawsuit that it will lose.
 
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Common sense, if utilized, and a study of our country's history could provide some clues. Let's take a look at freedom of speech, which was intended, at least in part, to protect the right to disagree, to express an opinion. I don't think it was intended that any vulgarity, profanity, or disruption was to be tolerated. Unfortunately, the freedoms of speech now protected seem to be of the latter. There is now much less protection for those who express an opinion or state a point of view that is not leftist.

'What gets protected and where do you stop?' Could be asked of many things, including abortion.

In light of this country's history and common sense, having some protection for business owners does not seem unreasonable.
 

BeardoMSU

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Common sense

You do realize this is a relative concept, right?

What was the "common sense" in the 1850's? Should we abide by how those folks viewed the world? Or how about the 1950's...do they have the better understanding of "common sense"? 2000? 2016? How has the definition changed? How do we know?
 
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Wow, I'm surprised you left out bestiality. Seriously...you assume that because two "gays" are being married, the event will somehow regress to Caligula levels of depravity?

I guess the same wedding photographer/cake maker would abstain from serving nuptials where alcohol is served?

I don't make the assumption, not needed.

Refresh my memory, give me chapter and verse where the mere fact of alcohol being served is considered a sin...

You brought up bestiality like you think that's another thing you wouldn't make an exception for, for the business guy. Is it possible that there can be limits on when a business person is required to serve? If yes, then we're just discussing at what point protections kick in.
 
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Our country's history, huh?

Do you pine for the days of women without votes and the coloreds in the fields?

Of course you don't, but thats as much a part of our country's history as "christian values."

Over time, we evolve. We get less stupid, and realize that descriminating against groups of people that are causing no harm is wrong.

The founding fathers did great things, but were by no means perfect. The intentions of a group of 200+ year dead white men should matter 0% when it comes to what is best for a modern society.
 
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Exactly. What if a radical Muslim has a "sincere religions belief" that all infidels need to be killed?

Really? You don't see a difference between not baking a cake and killing someone?
 

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Please answer these simple questions:

Do you believe business owners should be able to discriminate based on race? Why or why not?

Let's assume there is a major American religion that believes being non-white is a sin. Does that change your answer? Why or why not?
 

BeardoMSU

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I don't make the assumption, not needed.

Refresh my memory, give me chapter and verse where the mere fact of alcohol being served is considered a sin...

You brought up bestiality like you think that's another thing you wouldn't make an exception for, for the business guy. Is it possible that there can be limits on when a business person is required to serve? If yes, then we're just discussing at what point protections kick in.

You mentioned "wife swapping orgy" and "pedophile conventions" as if they are analogous to a person servicing a gay wedding.

Chapter and verse? Ok...Ephesians 5:18, Proverbs 20:1, Romans 14:21, just to name a few...not that I really give a **** about any of that, tho....but how about something more appropriate for reality.

What about the fact that are still dry counties in this state? Is it because the mere consumption and presence of alcohol is viewed as sinister by the powers that be in those regions? Or is there a more rational explanation? I think I know....I thought these people were for small government and constitutionality?
 

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Do you pine for the days of women without votes and the coloreds in the fields?

Of course you don't, but thats as much a part of our country's history as "christian values."

Over time, we evolve. We get less stupid, and realize that descriminating against groups of people that are causing no harm is wrong.

The founding fathers did great things, but were by no means perfect. The intentions of a group of 200+ year dead white men should matter 0% when it comes to what is best for a modern society.

Well 17'n said!
 
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Do you pine for the days of women without votes and the coloreds in the fields?

Of course you don't, but thats as much a part of our country's history as "christian values."

Over time, we evolve. We get less stupid, and realize that descriminating against groups of people that are causing no harm is wrong.

The founding fathers did great things, but were by no means perfect. The intentions of a group of 200+ year dead white men should matter 0% when it comes to what is best for a modern society.

And it is that thought that causes me to fear for my country. The constitution was designed, among other things, to protect the minority against the majority. To insure all the protections afforded by the constitution, the constitution must be upheld. It says what it says. Since the supremes began making laws despite what the constitution says, since they decided that they would decide law on what they think it should be, not what the constitution says, the protections provided by the constitution are disappearing. The new government is likely to require greater submission.
 
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Do you believe business owners should be able to discriminate based on race? Why or why not?

Let's assume there is a major American religion that believes being non-white is a sin. Does that change your answer? Why or why not?

I'll play your game:
Do you believe that applicants should be able to disclose their age (or race) on the application? Why or why not?

Let's assume there is a minor far-east corporation (that operates in the US) that believes being old (or from mixed race) is a danger? Does that change your answer? Why or why not?
 
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