I can remember when you used to post for people to “calm down” all the time. What happened to that dude? Lol
Drop Cal, get Muss
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Which teams had 6 or 7 elite NBA guys?
Wall Bledsoe Cousins Patterson
Knight
Noel
AD, MKG
2014 was just a highly ranked class
2015 might be the one that had overwhelming talent.
But I'm struggling to find which teams had 6 or 7 elite NBA talent.
This is why I think we need to put things into perspective here.
I remember when Tubby left a coach made a tournament run, even beat our rival if I remember correctly, and we hired him. Bad hire.
I disagree, but that’s life. I’ll give you $8.6 million reasons why he’d come to UK. Not that he’d be paid that, but UK could if they needed to. For any candidate.
Totally incorrect. You miss how often the top seeds make the NC game or win it. It’s easy to spin it any other way. Here is some recent analysis. As you can see, the top 4 seeds dominate either making it to the final four or winning the NC. This analysis was from just a week ago by the NCAA for data going back to 1985. In 37 years, 23 of them have been a #1 seed: How do seeds perform in the Final Four?
I'm talking about the #1 overall seed, not just any of the four one seeds.Totally incorrect. You miss how often the top seeds make the NC game or win it. It’s easy to spin it any other way. Here is some recent analysis. As you can see, the top 4 seeds dominate either making it to the final four or winning the NC. This analysis was from just a week ago by the NCAA for data going back to 1985: How do seeds perform in the Final Four?
Totally incorrect. You miss how often the top seeds make the NC game or win it. It’s easy to spin it any other way. Here is some recent analysis. As you can see, the top 4 seeds dominate either making it to the final four or winning the NC. This analysis was from just a week ago by the NCAA: How do seeds perform in the Final Four?
He said OVERALL #1 seed tho.
The chart kind of drives the point home tho.
The OVERALL #1 seed doesn't win the tournament often. 17%. Very unlikely in fact. That's how often the "best team" wins this entire thing.
Yeah looking at the chart, you want to be a 1 seed or 2 seed. They have the large bulk of the titles.
Further drives the point home of "you don't know what team is going to win a title but you want to be in that grouping of 6-8 teams that can"
So, you saying we have had bad luck since 2015? I guess getting paired against St Peters was bad luck too.
I mean is it us, or is that just how luck goes in the tournament? Florida 2007, UK 2012, and UL 2013 are the only #1 overall seeds who won it all since they started the #1 overall seed. Does that mean that all the other top overall seeds had bad luck, or is that just the nature of the tournament?So, you saying we have had bad luck since 2015? I guess getting paired against St Peters was bad luck too.
Well ..........it's been a mixture right. I mean we didn't have title contending teams in 2016 and 2018. 2020 obviously who knows what would have happened had a tournament been played. 2021 we went 9-16 and definitely was not a title contender.
So that part of it.............definitely no. We had more teams in the conversation pre 15 than post. And that has to change in the future.
Having said that, 2017 and 2019 we missed final fours on last possession shots. By the same token, in 2011 we were a Brandon Knight shot away from losing to Princeton or Ohio St. In 2014, we were multiple Harrison shots away from going home before a final four. So looking at those years, yeah I would say we had some luck in 11/14 and some bad luck in 17/19.
On St Patrick's Day? It sure was!So, you saying we have had bad luck since 2015? I guess getting paired against St Peters was bad luck too.
Exactly, our players were like the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz. Arkansas plays great defense and never looked scared. It starts with the coach and the culture.
But not number one OVERALL seeds. They started seeding teams #1 overall in like 2006. And since then 3 overall #1 seeds have won the title: 2007 Florida, 2012 UK, 2013 UL.
Looks like Duke got lucky.
That is the difference between us and other teams according to some posters.
That is the difference between us and other teams according to some posters.
When your head coach is screaming at you non stop showing little to no confidence in you, it is understandable why players might lose confidence.
I love how every game night I can find post about who should be the next UK coach because they won that night lmfaoo. Look Cal probably needs to move on but 90% of the guys I see proclaimed to be the next goat would flop at UK. There is probably a handful of guys that could come in and do what Pitino and Cal did fairly quick.
But doesn't it matter what you do with your 2 seed?
Muss and Sampson coach a style and overall approach (bunch of physical.y mature dudes grinding at both ends) that was Cal pre-UK. He needs overwhelming athleticism. 2014 is good example, when they embraced and used their size they went on a run. Arkansas did not run anything complicated, they just know who they are and have the spacing to get matchups and open shots or driving lanes.
Every year there's a billion posts about us getting whoever the hottest coach that year is. Last year it was Bamas coach. Before that it was Pearl and before that it was Mark Few. It's a RR tale as old as time
That being said, I do like Arkansas' coach a lot.
That being said, I do like Arkansas' coach a lot.
Certainly of course.
Losing to St. Peters isn't acceptable.
9-16 isn't acceptable.
But whenever we are having this discussion about keeping Cal/getting rid of Cal, it always comes down to what do you think will happen in the future.
If we have the entire same regular season next year, get a 1 or 2 seed maybe win an SEC regular season or tournament title, a tournament run is more likely than another first round exit.
While losing to St Peters was awful, it is what it is. An upset. A historical upset. But you only have to go back a few years to see a 16 beating a 1 seed and then that very next tournament, that same 1 seed ends up winning a national title. Which is really what drives the point home here. That team that lost in the first round was 31-3. They went and had a very similar season the next year and finished 35-3 with a title.
In a way it's a process vs results thing where maybe in the last few years, the results haven't been there but if the process is sound and you keep having good regular seasons, good things should happen in the tournament. But again this is a results oriented business so Cal really can't be having more of these collapses otherwise than yeah he needs to go.
I guess to me the bigger problem isn't what happened this season but rather what happened last year and to a lesser extent 2016 and 2018. So I say 16,18 and 21 were not title contending years and lets say 17, 19 and 22 were. Lets ignore 2020 since who knows. You can't bat 50% here. You have to be better than that IMO. So then it becomes the question of going forward do you see more of the first group or more of the second group. And yeah even the second group did not produce the results we expect, but those are the type of teams that will if you keep having those teams no doubt get us to where we need to be. I mean this team was the 3rd favorites to win the entire thing. That was for a reason.
At the end of the day, what did those 26 wins and a 2 seed accomplish? Just the worst tournament loss in program history!
Look, Cal doesn’t even make in game adjustments. He has shown he also won’t make season to season adjustments. Cal isn’t a coach, he’s a salesman. Really good at selling Ferrari’s, not so much teaching you how to drive one.
As of now, his lot is looking a little empty next season. 10+ loses coming, unless he figures out a recruiting miracle.
Luck plays a huge role in the NCAA champion most years, along with favorable officiating in a close game.
I mean look at a great team in history in 1992 Duke. What are the odds with the time left that they throw it down there without UK deflecting it, dude catches it and has time to turn and nails it? Unlikely I say...but because of that lucky shot (it is extremely lucky someone shoots and makes every shot/FT in a game as well), Duke wins the 2nd of back to back titles.
I’m sure Duke and K have been selling the idea that he was close to retiring and you had better jump in while it last.
My post wasn’t clear. They had 6 or 7 NBA guys and at least 1 or 2 guys with elite NBA talent. Meaning they had star power and elite depth.