Derek Anderson is right

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Son_Of_Saul

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So 1-1 yet Pitino is worlds better. How many more NBA players did Pitino have over Cal that season, since y’all will use that metric to excuse Cal kicking Pitino’s *** while here.

some of y’all would beg Pitino to pee in your mouth and bend you over at an Italian restaurant.
I like both the coaches, but I think it's cool that you're willing to use Aunt Sally fallacies to bolster your point.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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And yet the final difference was seven points. Rick had a very good team that year and Cal outcoached him.

We always here how UofL is still a top tier job in college basketabll, but then make excuses for Rick when he couldn’t draw talent there. Which is it?

Note, I’m not taking a shot at either coach. I’m saying Cal was simply better while Rick was there. The two games Cal did lose was by a total of…..checks notes….6 big points.

Cal owned Pitino while he was there and out coached him.
I have no issue with acknowledging that Cal one-upped Pitino in the Kentucky-Louisville years.

I do have an issue with the fact that fans like you keep pointing to a run that ended at least five years ago and that your commentary on Cal's greatness no longer extends to the present tense.

Don't you think that's a bit problematic? Living in the past doesn't help our program.
 

TortElvisII

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I have no issue with acknowledging that Cal one-upped Pitino in the Kentucky-Louisville years.

I do have an issue with the fact that fans like you keep pointing to a run that ended at least five years ago and that your commentary on Cal's greatness no longer extends to the present tense.

Don't you think that's a bit problematic? Living in the past doesn't help out program.
I do think Cal is making improvements and we'll see in the postseason if he refuses to revert to rock fights. Postseason rock fights have proven themselves to be mistakes.
 

JAC71

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I agree it seems like they have that attitude toward Cal but Anderson is my favorite player ever so I can’t hate on him.
I’m not trying to hate on him. I loved Anderson as a player as well but sure is strange to use LSU while trying to make a point.
 
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true-blue1

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This reminds me of the final years of the Tubby era. The fanbase was divided, with 1 group acting as if UK basketball couldn't get any better. I was a part of the group that said he needed to go, but I'm not quite there yet with Cal. I don't think he wins another title here, however. The man is just too stuck in his ways

Excellent point of view!!
 
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4Pinocchios

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Met him in an elevator in Louisville. He was wearing his NCAA ‘97 runner up ring. He let me take a look at it. He said it should’ve been a championship ring.

I was there. Epps crying was hard to watch. Some guy in this thread said I don't value our history when I've been to more final fours in my life that he's been to regular season games. See ya soon, enough fun for today.
 

bbnkat02

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I was there. Epps crying was hard to watch. Some guy in this thread said I don't value our history when I've been to more final fours in my life that he's been to regular season games. See ya soon, enough fun for today.
I remover stomping of to my room that night highly pissed off. I was getting “too old” to tear up at a loss (t newly ten aged boy and all had to play it cool), but I was pissed. And it’s part of the reason t9 this day I don’t mind seeing Zona go down in flames. I take. I take much glee in it actually.
 

bbnkat02

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I agree but the goal should always be winning championships … not the NBA.
I will consent that it was one of the dumbest things CL ever said, but I also think it’s been taken off context too. Cal is here to win, but he’s so stubborn at times that he sometimes puts development in front of winning games. I think that’s changing a bit for him this year though.
 

PacManBlue

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I will consent that it was one of the dumbest things CL ever said, but I also think it’s been taken off context too. Cal is here to win, but he’s so stubborn at times that he sometimes puts development in front of winning games. I think that’s changing a bit for him this year though.

Which is what he did with Askew. We agree on this. Putting development over winning games is a terrific and accurate way to put it.

I believe he’s done this with multiple players over the years and he’s done it even when to the detriment of the team. Briscoe constantly getting the nod over Hawkins comes to mind. Great point
 
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bbnkat02

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Which is what he did with Askew. We agree on this. Putting development over winning games is a terrific and accurate way to put it.

I believe he’s done this with multiple players over the years and he’s done it even when to the detriment of the team. Briscoe constantly getting the nod over Hawkins comes to mind. Great point
He’s the consummate teacher. I can’t fault him for that. But sometimes you gotta sit a kid on the bench and win a game.
 

Cowtown Cat

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I saw a different Final 4 game than you apparently.

If you're talking about the November '95 matchup, Pitino had Delk at PG, a mistake he quickly fixed.
Yep. If not for that, UMass wouldn’t have had a shot. That UK team was so deep. Was still trying to figure out rotations. Cal didn’t have those options with that UMass team. Their starting 5 was a no brainer.
 

sluggercatfan

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Completely different era of basketabll. That 96 team was amazing, but that was a different time. Talent level outside of P5 schools was nonexistent, AAU ball didn’t exist, just really another world. So if you were serious about basketball you went to a P5 school. Now that doesn’t happen. Players go just about anywhere. So Talent level on these big name school rosters was stout. When you watched a P5 game, it was entertaining. Now talent is widely spread out. High value players sometimes skip college altogether. We can all ***** and moan about it but those days of college ball aren’t ever coming back and not a thing we can do about it.

I love DA, and he’s not completely wrong here, but he’s not completely right either.

UK shot 58% for the night. And 43% from the arc. When’s the last time you can recall any team shooting that high of a percentage for a game? We couldn’t miss.

LSU also scored 97 points. 55 points in the second half. Heck we scored another 40. Nobody played defense after halftime. Fun game. But just a different time.

I certainly don’t think Cal watches much YouTube.
His teams also don't play much defense.
 

precipitance

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Wow.....taking a dump on a UK legend....nice job
Just to play devil's advocate. Do you apply that same metric to all UK players? What about Hall of fame coaches? Can we not be critical of anything these people say and also love what they did for us?
 

Cowtown Cat

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Completely different era of basketabll. That 96 team was amazing, but that was a different time. Talent level outside of P5 schools was nonexistent, AAU ball didn’t exist, just really another world. So if you were serious about basketball you went to a P5 school. Now that doesn’t happen. Players go just about anywhere. So Talent level on these big name school rosters was stout. When you watched a P5 game, it was entertaining. Now talent is widely spread out. High value players sometimes skip college altogether. We can all ***** and moan about it but those days of college ball aren’t ever coming back and not a thing we can do about it.

I love DA, and he’s not completely wrong here, but he’s not completely right either.

UK shot 58% for the night. And 43% from the arc. When’s the last time you can recall any team shooting that high of a percentage for a game? We couldn’t miss.

LSU also scored 97 points. 55 points in the second half. Heck we scored another 40. Nobody played defense after halftime. Fun game. But just a different time.

I certainly don’t think Cal watches much YouTube.
That Kentucky team probably shot that percentage on a few different occasions that year. Matter of fact, I’m almost sure of it. Regardless, 84 points in a half is unbelievable for a college team, especially on the road.
 

bbnkat02

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That Kentucky team probably shot that percentage on a few different occasions that year. Matter of fact, I’m almost sure of it. Regardless, 84 points in a half is unbelievable for a college team, especially on the road.
Shot 63% at Vandy later that season. But would also have games where they would shoot .45. Which isn’t awful. I do remember that team either Being insanely hot or mild at times. It was a team that could come lay 120 on you and then the next game get 73. Lol. Which was still enough to beat you.
 

Cowtown Cat

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Shot 63% at Vandy later that season. But would also have games where they would shoot .45. Which isn’t awful. I do remember that team either bien insanely hot or mild at times. It was a team that could come lay 120 on you and then the next game get 73. Lol. Which was still enough to beat you.
Best team I’ve ever seen. Our 2012 and 2015 teams were also great. Would still take that 1996 over any team I’ve seen play.
 

bbnkat02

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Best team I’ve ever seen. Our 2012 and 2015 teams were also great. Would still take that 1996 over any team I’ve seen play.
One of if not the best team in college ball history. And a lot of those guys were from Kentucky. Just something that was a real one time thing where everything just clicked. And they just happened tl be from the Commonwealth. We still have good players in this stage, but nothing like that.
 

kyjeff1

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Which is what he did with Askew. We agree on this. Putting development over winning games is a terrific and accurate way to put it.

I believe he’s done this with multiple players over the years and he’s done it even when to the detriment of the team. Briscoe constantly getting the nod over Hawkins comes to mind. Great point
Whitney over IQ
BJB over… .anybody
Askew over… anybody
 

UK90

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He won't be anytime soon after that, lol. Loved that guy, but he sounds bitter.
I think there is an element of bitterness to it. It’s no secret that DA has wanted to join our staff in the past …but to no avail. Cal wants his guys, not former Pitino guys.

The tweet is true, but not the wisest thing to do if you’re looking to get in with the current staff.
 
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gwjenning

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That Kentucky team probably shot that percentage on a few different occasions that year. Matter of fact, I’m almost sure of it. Regardless, 84 points in a half is unbelievable for a college team, especially on the road.
I used to have the schedule with final scores printed out from that season. This was before I could go google it like now. Lol.
It was a crazy number of games that we topped 100 points. I think we hit 110 plus in at least 3 games.
I do remember outside of losing the SEC championship game to Miss St, we beat every SEC team except one by double digits including that Miss St. team.
Tubby Smith coached Georgia played us under 10 at least once maybe twice.
 
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