Dontaie Allen

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I find all this crying about Allen amusing. I seem to remember practically everyone on this board dogging him when he was signed. That he wasn’t good enough. Not a Cal type of player. 🤔
Then Cal never should have signed him espically if it was just to shut Kentucky fans up.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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It really is hard to argue with the numbers, though I'd like to hold out hope. For his sake, I hope he has a breakout game and makes a bunch of threes. Also, I'm glad he's decided to stick around. He's gonna make some bank at UK whether he makes another shot or not.

I will say this, though. The folks who are completely irrational about Allen because he's the home state kid pretty much don't have any reason to complain at this point. He got over 10 minutes today. He took 4 three pointers, all good looks. He missed them all. There's not much more to say. When you see what Kellan Grady did today, it's clear what a pure shooter looks like. He's now up to 50% from three. Right on his heels is TyTy, shooting 41.3%. There's no further reason to complain.
Grady was heat checking all day, just fire at will. I hope this gets him to just shoot it when he has any daylight now. He always plays so unselfishly and he’s smart but we all want him to launch a few more a game.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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He's still a freshman. One red shirt, one year that didn't count. We'll see what he decides and what he becomes. He can still figure it out, hopefully
He’s not a freshman though, he played meaningful minutes last year even if it didn’t count and was in the program his red shirt year. This is year 3.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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I like Allen, but I'm not so sure he can shoot.

He's now 6/32 from three. That's a pretty significant sample size, and 19% from three on 32 attempts means he's a pretty mediocre shooter.
I know he can be better than 19% but wow that’s bad. I bet Oscar could hit 19%.
 
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You’re being disingenuous. It was patently obvious to everyone that you were referring to Cal. Pretending otherwise now just makes you look like an ***.
Lol. OK. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

Have a good day sir.
 
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So everyone that all schools have signed on scholarship that transferred or did not work out was the fault of the head coach. Got it
Certainly is possible for a Coach, any Coach, to misjudge what they think a player might contribute. Is that what happened here I have no idea.
 

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He’s not a freshman though, he played meaningful minutes last year even if it didn’t count and was in the program his red shirt year. This is year 3.
I only meant eligibility wise. I know he got coached his redshirt season but he couldn't go fully work on what he was learning yet. But he has 3 years of eligibility left if he wants to use them
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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I only meant eligibility wise. I know he got coached his redshirt season but he couldn't go fully work on what he was learning yet. But he has 3 years of eligibility left if he wants to use them
He may making that NIL money lol.
 

UK90

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I know he can be better than 19% but wow that’s bad. I bet Oscar could hit 19%.
What makes it even worse is that it’s 19% against the worst competition and softest defenses a D1 player could ever hope to face. He did not play in the games against our P5 opponents, instead he only played in the games against our easiest opponents.

The dude has had an abundance of easy wide open looks against truly bottom tier defenses …but he just can’t get them to go down.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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What makes it even worse is that it’s 19% against the worst competition and softest defenses a D1 player could ever hope to face. He did not play in the games against our P5 opponents, instead he only played in the games against our easiest opponents.

The dude has had an abundance of easy wide open looks against truly bottom tier defenses …but he just can’t get them to go down.
That’s true, I can’t believe Mintz is shooting so bad. He’s a better shooter than that, he’s just taking bad shots. Took one today and hit the side of the backboard that was just a horrible look.
 
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That’s true, I can’t believe Mintz is shooting so bad. He’s a better shooter than that, he’s just taking bad shots. Took one today and hit the side of the backboard that was just a horrible look.
It's wild, he is shooting a good deal worse this year with a better offense and spacing. I don't get it
 

kybassfan

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No he didn’t but just keep repeating that nonsense. Cal was ok with him not going but you don‘t want to accept that. You have made your dislike on Allen well known.
I had no problem with him till he quit. That is absurd to an amateur. For a semiprofessional it is unforgivable. It stinks of spoiled brat.
 

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Sharpe is better than Mintz?? Who knew lol.

If you can’t see the value in having a player like Mintz coming off the bench, you’re the one who doesn’t know basketball.
Dude was sick for a month not practicing. Mintz a great majority of the time makes the right decision with the ball. Once he hits a couple shots, watch out.
 
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Sharpe is better than Mintz?? Who knew lol.

If you can’t see the value in having a player like Mintz coming off the bench, you’re the one who doesn’t know basketball.
If he laced em up for High Point today, he wouldn’t be their best player. He’s just not good enough for UK
 

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It’s funny to me all the fans who were ripping the team and Cal a month ago, now think Mintz and Allen suck. Couldn’t even rip on Ware today 😂.

Allen a guy many expected to be a 4 year guy, who needs more development. Then Mintz who was recruited as a rule player who is coming off a month of no practice with Mono… can’t make this **** up
 
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Dude was sick for a month not practicing. Mintz a great majority of the time makes the right decision with the ball. Once he hits a couple shots, watch out.
You could say the same thing about Allen or Hopkins. Fact is, they’re not hitting shots. Mintz needs to knock em down. He’s made awful decisions the last 2 games. Getting caught in the air with no where to go, pulls the trigger on some bad 3s, didn’t get back when Wheeler drove to the basket today, etc
 

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You could say the same thing about Allen or Hopkins. Fact is, they’re not hitting shots. Mintz needs to knock em down. He’s made awful decisions the last 2 games. Getting caught in the air with no where to go, pulls the trigger on some bad 3s, didn’t get back when Wheeler drove to the basket today, etc
His last two games, he’s made 7-9 shots inside the arc, scored 17 points, and had a total of two turnovers. He was absolutely tenacious today. You can’t ask more of a bench player — a 4th string guard lol — who’s just now getting into playing shape. The only area he’s off is his three-point shooting, and his history tells us that will fix itself. You have to be seriously lacking in basketball IQ to find fault in his overall game.
 
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His last two games, he’s made 7-9 shots inside the arc, scored 17 points, and had a total of two turnovers. He was absolutely tenacious today. You can’t ask more of a bench player — a 4th string guard lol — who’s just now getting into playing shape. The only area he’s off is his three-point shooting, and his history tells us that will fix itself. You have to be seriously lacking in basketball IQ to find fault in his overall game.
Don’t see it. Getting to the basket against nobodies doesn’t impress me. Need him to hit jump shots and he’s not doing it. Idk how that’s hard to understand. What the team needs him to do, he’s not doing it
 

EliteBlue

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I like Allen, but I'm not so sure he can shoot.

He's now 6/32 from three. That's a pretty significant sample size, and 19% from three on 32 attempts means he's a pretty mediocre shooter.
He’s in a slump. It happens. Most of those are in minimal minutes when he’s pressing and not in a flow of the game. That’s difficult to come on cold like that.

Grady also started the season shooting pretty pedestrian and now he’s in a rhythm...shooting is streaky by nature and confidence plays a huge part. Even Herro started the season v average and found his shot as the season progressed

Allen has shown in HS and last year that he can shoot the ball. He’s struggling mightily to find his shot and confidence this year tho.

with all that said, he doesn’t deserve minutes to find his shot at this point. We have our rotation and he can either stick around and be a senior role player or transfer a step down and be a key piece to a program for multiple years
 

JwUKFan11

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You must be reading comprehensive challenged. No where in my post did I mention Cal.

I actually said I would leave it up to each individual to figure that out.

But to say he hasn't lost confidence and it has totally affected his shooting is just closing your eyes and ears to the truth.
Then who or what were you pointing to? It’s almost like part of basketball and life in general is being able to mentally get through these such difficult hardships you are describing. Oh how terrible it is that Allen has been challenged during his time at UK. The poor guy is surely broken mentally by the terrible things that terrible Coach has done to him.
 

bucsrule8872

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We need to be patient with Allen. And he needs to be patient.

He needs to pay attention to Brian Robinson Jr. at Bama. He was patient and paid his dues behind better players and now he is making the most of his chance. He could have left Bama and been a star somewhere else, but decided to stick with his hometown school. Now he is living the dream.

That could be Allen in a few years. He just needs to go hard in practice every day against Washington, Grady, and Sharpe and be ready to lead as a fourth year Junior and a fifth year Senior.
 
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We need to be patient with Allen. And he needs to be patient.

He needs to pay attention to Brian Robinson Jr. at Bama. He was patient and paid his dues behind better players and now he is making the most of his chance. He could have left Bama and been a star somewhere else, but decided to stick with his hometown school. Now he is living the dream.

That could be Allen in a few years. He just needs to go hard in practice every day against Washington, Grady, and Sharpe and be ready to lead as a fourth year Junior and a fifth year Senior.
That’s cool that you mentioned this, because I said the exact same thing during the Bama/Cincy game.
 

NoDef

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Don’t see it. Getting to the basket against nobodies doesn’t impress me. Need him to hit jump shots and he’s not doing it. Idk how that’s hard to understand. What the team needs him to do, he’s not doing it
Mintz plays really hard out there. He's been efficient the last couple of games too. You will need those types of kids to give the starter a break or if we get in foul trouble. The bench doesn't start for a reason. If he was playing as good as you think he should, then he wouldn't be coming off the bench..
 
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Mintz plays really hard out there. He's been efficient the last couple of games too. You will need those types of kids to give the starter a break or if we get in foul trouble. The bench doesn't start for a reason. If he was playing as good as you think he should, then he wouldn't be coming off the bench..
They’ll be a game where Grady and TyTy can’t buy a 3. And when we turn to the bench, what knockdown shooter is there? That’s the role we need him to be, 3 and D as the NBA calls it. And he’s not been shooting well all year. Seems like a guy that’s okay at things but doesn’t fill the role we actually need.

just my opinion
 

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At what point can we stop calling it a slump and admit the truth? The word “slump” implies a deviation from the norm. But, for Allen, bad shooting has been the norm and good shooting the deviation.

He’s been in the program for nearly three years now (counting his redshirt year). During that time, he’s had two really good shooting games (both against Mississippi State), but shot poorly in nearly all the rest of his games. That doesn’t describe a slump, instead it just describes a poor shooter.

We did the same thing here with guys like Jon Hood and Josh Carrier. Posters kept insisting they were just in a slump …well, turned out to be four year slumps that never ended.
Last season...
Finished second on the team with 31 3-pointers on 39.7% shooting from long range … Of the players with 50 or more field-goal attempts, led the team in effective field-goal percentage at 54.5. At least stop lying about the kid. Yes , he's having a rough run.
 

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Look, I have always been a fan of Allen. And yes, it's because he's a KY kid. I want him to succeed here. And I know he's not playing well at all right now. But as much as we like to think we know, NONE of us knows the whole story. I do believe in the very beginning, Cal got into his head. I also believe that Cal was upset that a lot of fans wanted him to play more and Cal didn't like that. That was pretty evident. However, what has gone on between them in practice and other ways, we will never know. Allen's confidence is non existent right now. Whether that is Cal in his head or something else, we won't know. Let's stop ripping the kid a new one and just encourage him. He is, after all, still a Wildcat.
 
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revcort

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Look, I have always been a fan of Allen. And yes, it's because he's a KY kid. I want him to succeed here. And I know he's not playing well at all right now. But as much as we like to think we know, NONE of us knows the whole story. I do believe in the very beginning, Cal got into his head. I also believe that Cal was upset that a lot of fans wanted him to play more and Cal didn't like that. That was pretty evident. However, what has gone on between them in practice and other ways, we will never know. Allen's confidence is non existent right now. Whether that is Cal in his head or something else, we won't know. Let's stop ripping the kid a new one and just encourage him. He is, after all, still a Wildcat.
Here's my problem with what you've said. The entire idea that "Cal got in his head" shows a bias against the head coach. Why do we have to choose who we support here? Do we have to believe Cal is against Allen? It's a false dichotomy, in my opinion. Why would Cal want Allen to fail? Just to spite fans? People who believe that kind of thing are folks who just hate Calipari. The perception that Cal was somehow holding Allen back was the product of a bad season and an increasingly negative outlook from the fans. But there is no reason to believe Cal was trying to "get in his head."

I am a fan of Dontaie Allen, by the way. I want him to succeed. I believe he has the potential to succeed here. I hope he stays. I hope he continues to improve. I hope he has a breakout game where he scores 30. I think Cal wants exactly what I want.