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Ron Mehico

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They’re getting their money’s worth with Saban. Comparing him and Cal as far as what they’ve accomplished is laughable

How much money have you spent watching college kids play for your own personal entertainment on CBS?
 
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UKWildcats1987

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If Calipari’s recruits had stayed 3-4 years like Saban’s, he‘d have Saban results.

100% agree with this. The sports are apples to oranges. Now the people will come back and say cal could have experience if he wants but no team is getting wall or towns to stay 3 years like college football coaches get the benefit of their studs to do.

I think we all agree we wish basketball had the 3 year rule. It would make for a better product
 
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CB3UK

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Was hesitant to open the thread based on OPS username
 
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TheRick

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Of course winning is everything. However, winning with some of the greatest players of the moment and all time makes for great memories in my opinion. College basketball at Kentucky allows us to 'know' and appreciate the players because there is such a large audience to consume the bits and pieces of the details about them. Besides, everybody knows that those agonizing losses or disappointing seasons make the wins so much better.

I would not bet against Cal winning games, titles, and championships for a good many more years. Do the Cal haters understand that losing Cal means another couple of years of the newest version of Billy Gillespie? You do understand that Gillespie was always the jokester hired to coach losing basketball so that someone as good as Cal would follow Smith, right? It also obligates the 'pain' of watching him continue to win like crazy elsewhere. Given the magnitude of his success, Cal leaving also means that one of Kentucky's greatest rivals will land him and Kentucky will face his teams in opening season games and the season ending tournament with great regularity.

If I hated Cal, I would hate for him to beat the **** out of the next Gillespie-led teams at UK. What great coach would follow Cal even after the interlude of losing a la Billy Ball if the few drive him away? Not one. Instead, there would be a string of exciting young up and comers with no necessary confidence that they win.

Of course, what makes the open hatred by the few so despicable is the melange of ignorance and politics that motivate it.

Happy Thanksgiving to many of you -- but not all of you. Who would want to sit down to turkey dinner with the few of you who would complain to the host how much better you could have prepared the meal, having never done so themselves. Hindsight's a ***** isn't it? The few have no idea of course what Hindsight Bias consists of. Let me intimate that hindsight bias is what makes us all just know that we could have made the better choice.
 

ck-2

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If Calipari’s recruits had stayed 3-4 years like Saban’s, he‘d have Saban results.
I don’t think Cal measures success the same way Saban does.
In the words of De’Aaron Fox “ Cal couldn’t give a damn about winning college basketball games.”
Don’t think I’ve ever heard nor will any of Sabans players make a comment about him like that. Wouldn’t surprise me to hear more of Cal’s say it.
 
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ck-2

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Of course winning is everything. However, winning with some of the greatest players of the moment and all time makes for great memories in my opinion. College basketball at Kentucky allows us to 'know' and appreciate the players because there is such a large audience to consume the bits and pieces of the details about them. Besides, everybody knows that those agonizing losses or disappointing seasons make the wins so much better.

I would not bet against Cal winning games, titles, and championships for a good many more years. Do the Cal haters understand that losing Cal means another couple of years of the newest version of Billy Gillespie? You do understand that Gillespie was always the jokester hired to coach losing basketball so that someone as good as Cal would follow Smith, right? It also obligates the 'pain' of watching him continue to win like crazy elsewhere. Given the magnitude of his success, Cal leaving also means that one of Kentucky's greatest rivals will land him and Kentucky will face his teams in opening season games and the season ending tournament with great regularity.

If I hated Cal, I would hate for him to beat the **** out of the next Gillespie-led teams at UK. What great coach would follow Cal even after the interlude of losing a la Billy Ball if the few drive him away? Not one. Instead, there would be a string of exciting young up and comers with no necessary confidence that they win.

Of course, what makes the open hatred by the few so despicable is the melange of ignorance and politics that motivate it.

Happy Thanksgiving to many of you -- but not all of you. Who would want to sit down to turkey dinner with the few of you who would complain to the host how much better you could have prepared the meal, having never done so themselves. Hindsight's a ***** isn't it? The few have no idea of course what Hindsight Bias consists of. Let me intimate that hindsight bias is what makes us all just know that we could have made the better choice.
Fans like you think Cal is KY basketball, he’s not. He’s said so himself. The fear of going through another Billy G has you willing to be happy with anything.
As far as your thanksgiving dinner comment, I hope everyone at your table agrees with everything you say. If not you seem like the type of person to take their turkey and leave.
 

CB3UK

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Saban is at least delivering year after year. If Cal were in the Final Four or better every year like Saban is, then he could make the same speech.

If Saban were losing to the K States, modern day IUs, and new money's like Auburn of the world., not to mention,, the Evansville and Richmond games on their non con, then maybe this comparison would be apt. To act as if Cal is delivering the same results as Nick Saban is, frankly, patently ludicrous. And they're getting paid the same $, to further the point.

Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee. Cal meanwhile inexplicably has a losing record to Rick Barnes....something that is NEVER acceptable at Kentucky.
 

bbnkat02

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They’re getting their money’s worth with Saban. Comparing him and Cal as far as what they’ve accomplished is laughable
Hell of a lot easier to win a championship in football than basketball. You get your players longer, no where near as much parity, definitely more of a team sport (one guy going off isn’t likely to beat you)., etc.

Not even comparable.
 

ck-2

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Hell of a lot easier to win a championship in football than basketball. You get your players longer, no where near as much parity, definitely more of a team sport (one guy going off isn’t likely to beat you)., etc.

Not even comparable.
Id it’s so much easier to win a championship in football why haven’t we won one?
I get what you’re saying about retaining players being key and agree. A lot of our own basketball fans want to compare Cal to Saban I sure don’t.
My point is Saban doesn’t pimp and place the NFL ahead of his program
 

bbnkat02

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Id it’s so much easier to win a championship in football why haven’t we won one?
I get what you’re saying about retaining players being key and agree. A lot of our own basketball fans want to compare Cal to Saban I sure don’t.
My point is Saban doesn’t pimp and place the NFL ahead of his program
Because UK doesn’t have a history of doing do. Alabama does.
Which makes it even easier.

If Bear had stayed……UK would own the sports world completely.
 

CB3UK

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Hell of a lot easier to win a championship in football than basketball. You get your players longer, no where near as much parity, definitely more of a team sport (one guy going off isn’t likely to beat you)., etc.

Not even comparable.
No, it isn't. Why do the same handful of teams win it every year? Meanwhile look at the Final Four the past decade. All manner of different teams.
 
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ck-2

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In football you lose one game and you’re probably out of contention for a championship. In basketball if you make the tourney you have a shot.
 

Old Blue Fart

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I usually try to stay away from negative posts, Lord knows we have enough of that crap everyday in society so why bring it here.
But some of you guys just can not see the forest for the trees.
No one is saying Saban and Cal are on the same page but merely speaking alike. Coach Cal is always saying the same exact things Coach Saban said in this interview. There was not one thing about the both of them being alike in coaching or in what they achieved in their careers. Just saying they think alike.
 
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26MichaelUK

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The thing I love about Saban was his willingness to go away from 3 yards and a cloud of dust philosophy to a high powered offense when he realized the game had changed. You've gotta adapt or get left behind. That's my main criticism against Cal.
 

Tubbyfan78

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Saying it’s easier to win a title in Football is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Exactly 1 champion in each sport each year. And every major team is trying to win it. It’s different but to say it’s easier is just ignorant.
 
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CB3UK

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I usually try to stay away from negative posts, Lord knows we have enough of that crap everyday in society so why bring it here.
But some of you guys just can not see the forest for the trees.
No one is saying Saban and Cal are on the same page but merely speaking alike. Coach Cal is always saying the same exact things Coach Saban said in this interview. There was not one thing about the both of them being alike in coaching or in what they achieved in their careers. Just saying they think alike.
We understand that. The difference is one of them has earned the right to think and feel that way, and one hasnt.