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Would Tubby have a title if Pitino didnt hand him a loaded team that just came from back to back title games?
Tubby won the title. That is a point of fact. Everything else is just opinion.

I think every coach that wins a title should have a banner in Rupp. We have more players from the 50s hanging in the rafters than from the 90s forward. That seems problematic to me. No offense to those guys, they built the foundation of the program. But we need to sort out a better way of determining how to honor or past accomplishments, and the more recent accomplishments.
 
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Would Tubby have a title if Pitino didnt hand him a loaded team that just came from back to back title games?
Would Cal have a title if BCG hadn't recruited Darius Miller? Miller was absolutely critical to that title team that most likely doesn't win it all without him.
Hypotheticals are pointless and a totally weak basis for any argument, mine included.
Facts.....
Tubby 1
Cal 1
Pitino 1
 

Louis_Skunt

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Would Cal have a title if BCG hadn't recruited Darius Miller? Miller was absolutely critical to that title team that most likely doesn't win it all without him.
Hypotheticals are pointless and a totally weak basis for any argument, mine included.
Facts.....
Tubby 1
Cal 1
Pitino 1
My comments weren't about Calipari.
Someone wanted to talk about how great Tubby is, but would he have a title if he didnt have an entire roster that already went to the title game the year prior? Yes or No?
 

Lord Z

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Tubby had a helluva lot better teams than that '98 team. Tubby was a Keith Bogans ankle and a Marquis Estill making a bad draft entry decision away from 2 titles and probably had 3-4 teams much more talented than the '98 team.

Anyone trying to make a case Tubby doesn't deserve the credit for '98 is making a foolish argument. Of course he does.
 

Louis_Skunt

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Tubby had a helluva lot better teams than that '98 team. Tubby was a Keith Bogans ankle and a Marquis Estill making a bad draft entry decision away from 2 titles and probably had 3-4 teams much more talented than the '98 team.

Anyone trying to make a case Tubby doesn't deserve the credit for '98 is making a foolish argument. Of course he does.
LOL...bogans ankle..
He was guarding Wade, and Wade scored when he wanted on whoever he wanted. Bogans couldn't guard Wade on his best day. Top defenders in the NBA couldn't stop Wade, but a fresh Bogans would?

And if Tubby was such a great coach you'd think he'd find success somewhere outside of UK, at least just once.
 
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gojvc

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Tubby won the title. That is a point of fact. Everything else is just opinion.

I think every coach that wins a title should have a banner in Rupp. We have more players from the 50s hanging in the rafters than from the 90s forward. That seems problematic to me. No offense to those guys, they built the foundation of the program. But we need to sort out a better way of determining how to honor or past accomplishments, and the more recent accomplishments.
It’s a lot tougher call on guys who were only around for a short time and/or didn’t graduate from the school. I hear what you’re saying but I think you’re comparing apples to oranges.
 
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Dr.LutherSan

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No, one season doesn’t decide his legacy. But he does have some wrongs to right. Plenty here aren’t as enamored with everything Cal says or does anymore. He can now prove last year was an outlier. Last year was a major kick to his ability to have everyone defending him.
What other "wrongs to right" has prevented from being worthy enough to get a banner?
 

DudahUK

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Would Cal have a title if BCG hadn't recruited Darius Miller? Miller was absolutely critical to that title team that most likely doesn't win it all without him.
Hypotheticals are pointless and a totally weak basis for any argument, mine included.
Facts.....
Tubby 1
Cal 1
Pitino 1
Hahahaha yeah we won the title cause of Darius Miller. Not Anthony freaking Davis or MKG, or Jones or Lamb or Teague who were all recruited by Cal. But Darius freaking Miller, the 6th man, was the reason we won? Hot damn.
 

Blue63Madison

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There were a lot of people at the time who thought Pitino left partly because the talent level in ‘98 was going to drop off a little after the crazy talented teams we had the previous two years. Talent wise, we had definitely peaked. To say Rick handed Tubby a roster as loaded as the last couple he enjoyed, is just a lie.
 

sk73

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Would Tubby have a title if Pitino didnt hand him a loaded team that just came from back to back title games?
Just list the rosters of the two teams prior to Tubby and you will answer your own question.
 
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Hahahaha yeah we won the title cause of Darius Miller. Not Anthony freaking Davis or MKG, or Jones or Lamb or Teague who were all recruited by Cal. But Darius freaking Miller, the 6th man, was the reason we won? Hot damn.
You have a selective memory. Of course AD, and MKG were huge that year. That's not even up for debate. But to simply write off Darius as just a "6th man" on that team shows your lack of knowledge, memory or age at that time. There were multiple games that season when those freshmen looked lost and Miller stepped up big time to hit big shots or free throws at just the right time. He was a calming effect on that team many times and there is a reason he has had a spot on an NBA roster for most of the last 9 years. He was integral to that team's title run.
 

DudahUK

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You have a selective memory. Of course AD, and MKG were huge that year. That's not even up for debate. But to simply write off Darius as just a "6th man" on that team shows your lack of knowledge, memory or age at that time. There were multiple games that season when those freshmen looked lost and Miller stepped up big time to hit big shots or free throws at just the right time. He was a calming effect on that team many times and there is a reason he has had a spot on an NBA roster for most of the last 9 years. He was integral to that team's title run.
Okay, let’s take a vote smart guy.
 

Shadow1671

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Anyone who would argue that a coach who has a title and has gone to the final 4 or better in 36.4% of all eligible seasons doesn't deserve to have a banner hanging eventually obviously has an agenda. 36.4% Final Four percentage. That's slightly better than one final four every three seasons. C'mon, man. Just my opinion.
 

ruppcat

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Tubby had a helluva lot better teams than that '98 team. Tubby was a Keith Bogans ankle and a Marquis Estill making a bad draft entry decision away from 2 titles and probably had 3-4 teams much more talented than the '98 team.

Anyone trying to make a case Tubby doesn't deserve the credit for '98 is making a foolish argument. Of course he does.
Ah the mythical lore of the Bogan's ankle injury rears it's head again.
 
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Wildcats1st

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I think a coach who wins a title deserves to go up in the rafters, barring some scandal, etc. I also think you shouldn’t go up in the rafters until your coaching career is done.

I don’t know about the coaching career done part but I agree with the rest. I think if they are at another school in their twilight before they retire have a ceremony. Too often we wait and then bam some sort of tragedy. Don’t wait
 

LASTUKMGR69

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Would Tubby have a title if Pitino didnt hand him a loaded team that just came from back to back title games?
Sorry to disappoint you but when SCUMtino
Bailed out for the Celtics they became Tubby’s team The 98 team was painfully slow Pitino trying to press with those guys would not work
I am fortunate to know all the players on that team I have asked most of them and have asked
“Could Pitino’s system work with you?” All said NO if you remember on Jan20 of the 1998 season UK lost at home to Ole Miss
Had not happened in 50 years
Tubby had a “come to Jesus meeting with the
Players He said” Rick’s system is not working let’s try mine “
UK won out and the NCAA Title
 

Lord Z

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'98 team won it all because they were killer in crunch time especially Scott Padgett who could not miss a 3 with less than 5 minutes left in the game. So once they played more of Tubby's style which was ball line defense and pounding it into the paint half court offense, it opened up the perimeter for those shooters late in the game and after that teams didn't know how to defend them and rolling out of the SEC tournament they were on fire. Tubby did that. It was his system not Rick's pressing, jacking up threes, and trapping that did it. That was long gone. It is delirious to think Rick would have won it all with that team and that was at least part of why he bailed. Rick thought that team was a loser.
 

Louis_Skunt

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Sorry to disappoint you but when SCUMtino
Bailed out for the Celtics they became Tubby’s team The 98 team was painfully slow Pitino trying to press with those guys would not work
I am fortunate to know all the players on that team I have asked most of them and have asked
“Could Pitino’s system work with you?” All said NO if you remember on Jan20 of the 1998 season UK lost at home to Ole Miss
Had not happened in 50 years
Tubby had a “come to Jesus meeting with the
Players He said” Rick’s system is not working let’s try mine “
UK won out and the NCAA Title
Youre telling me that if Pitino and Tubby had the same exact team you really believe Tubby's team would win?
This is the most ridiculous theory ive heard yet. Pitino could out-coach Tubby from kindergarten kids to NBA.
And wouldn't you think if Tubby was anywhere as decent as some of you believe, he would find success at just ONE school after UK? He's the most overrated coach in college history. He took the keys to a Ferrari and turned it into a Pinto. AKA- Indiana.
 

LASTUKMGR69

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Youre telling me that if Pitino and Tubby had the same exact team you really believe Tubby's team would win?
This is the most ridiculous theory ive heard yet. Pitino could out-coach Tubby from kindergarten kids to NBA.
And wouldn't you think if Tubby was anywhere as decent as some of you believe, he would find success at just ONE school after UK? He's the most overrated coach in college history. He took the keys to a Ferrari and turned it into a Pinto. AKA- Indiana.
Opinions are like you know why everyone has one
 

LmdCat

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Yes and the position he now holds at High Point reflects directly on how ambitious he has been since that gifted ‘98 championship. Let’s not play pretend.
I see your point. Wining at Kentucky is so easy that a coach could just sleep on the bench and the team will still end the season with a great record. The 20-21 season is proof of that. :rolleyes:
 
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JC CATS

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Youre telling me that if Pitino and Tubby had the same exact team you really believe Tubby's team would win?
This is the most ridiculous theory ive heard yet. Pitino could out-coach Tubby from kindergarten kids to NBA.
And wouldn't you think if Tubby was anywhere as decent as some of you believe, he would find success at just ONE school after UK? He's the most overrated coach in college history. He took the keys to a Ferrari and turned it into a Pinto. AKA- Indiana.
Tubby could coach! I remember a turning point in one season, the second half against Vandy, the defense was a thing of beauty. He put a few guys in the league on D alone nearly, Tubby's problem was never Coaching, it was two fold, he refused to recruit AAU stars, he thought the next tier could win him enough. Second, he was loyal to his assistants, he needed to pull a Cal and over haul his assistants, but he wouldn't do that. That led to his downfall. If he had a recruiter, hell he may still be here
 

LmdCat

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Would Tubby have a title if Pitino didnt hand him a loaded team that just came from back to back title games?
How many loaded teams has Cal had to work with? Based on the results, obviously it takes more than just loaded teams to win championships. How many loaded Duke teams went without championships? If you don't like Tubby just say so, but you don't have to make up crap. I see the three coaches like this:
Recruiting: Cal #1, RP #2, Tubby #3
Coaching: RP #1, Tubby #2, Cal #3
BS: Cal #1, RP #2, Tubby #3
Great Person: Tubby #1, Cal #2, RP #3
 
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