CJ Fredrick is a Cat

bucsrule8872

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Allen never got to play much last year. What would lead you to believe he will get to play anymore this year ? Fredrick is an excellent shooter, but he is not a good defensive player, so if Calipari has not changed his way of thinking, why would Fredrick get to play much either ? Calipari's reasoning for not playing non athletics is they can't guard anyone. Neither one of these players are athletic thus not good defenders, so why would they play much ? Just asking. What are your thoughts ?
Cal said he was a good defender and guarded the best guard most of the time based on the tape he watched. Iowa fans have said he was a great defender until he got injured (and he played injured most of the season). I am not saying you are wrong, I haven’t watched him play enough to make my own judgement, just repeating what Cal and Iowa fans have said.
 

Blueworld_3.0

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Very happy to welcome Fredrick to the BBN. Solid pickup with experience and ability. All desperately needed.
Looking forward to see who the PG and backup are going to be. FYI, I think Grady played some PG for Davidson so, keep that in mind.
Cal is making some very good moves to turn this thing around....upgrading assistants, more emphasis on shooting and experience. BUT, we also need to see some changes in his system. Move toward a NBA-style offense and maybe more importantly....patience on the court with guys. That means not pulling guys out immediately because they make a few mistakes on defense. IMO nothing kills a kid's confidence quicker than a short rope or long stays in the coaches doghouse.
 

BassProCat

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I hope he puts him, Allen and Grady on the floor at the same time too.
Yes I’ve been thinking about this trio since CJ’s name popped up. That can be a deadly shooting trio and they are proven shooters at the college level.
 
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Eccain01

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Wait till TY TY and Alvardo commit. Ive been saying it for weeks. The Cal bashers are gonna look really stupid. I mean they already do. Cal got 2 new great assistants who recruit like beasts. Now he is getting our roster set to be very competitive next year and a much improved shooting team. He has addressed every complaint the bashers have thrown out. Well except the screaming. Ive never understood that anyway, never seen a coach who doesn't scream lol
When you go 9-16 you get bashed. He‘lol be Ight
 
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Been done since February or so? Tampering be damned. Thats OK if he don't want to be a Hawkeye let him go. But he sure screwed Iowa over. Fran was counting on him and was blindsided by CJ. Speaks of his character.
Lol.

Cal really tampered for sure. I mean, Cal didn’t go looking for CJ first, and you know it.

edit - who made the call back in February; you can say it, it’s ok.
 
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Allen never got to play much last year. What would lead you to believe he will get to play anymore this year ? Fredrick is an excellent shooter, but he is not a good defensive player, so if Calipari has not changed his way of thinking, why would Fredrick get to play much either ? Calipari's reasoning for not playing non athletics is they can't guard anyone. Neither one of these players are athletic thus not good defenders, so why would they play much ? Just asking. What are your thoughts ?
Well, first off, I don't subscribe to the Calipari narratives that are proffered as facts by many that post on here. "Calipari thinks ______", "Calipari's teams have to have _______," etc. It's just nonsense. Calipari will play the players and also play in the manner that he thinks will give him the best chance to win in March.

So, my guess is maybe Calipari is thinking there is an advantage he can gain with experienced upperclassmen who have developed as shooters and proven they can provide a much higher floor of play and production. I think it's just too hard and erratic to rely on freshmen for high level shooting and dependable go to scoring. Sure, when the best athletes catch up skill-wise they will be the better players, but it takes time for them to get there and they're only going to get part of the way in 1 freshman year of college. I think Calipari may think he sees an easier way with less risk by using less "talented" but currently better players (i.e., proven upperclassmen).
 

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Cal said he was a good defender and guarded the best guard most of the time based on the tape he watched. Iowa fans have said he was a great defender until he got injured (and he played injured most of the season). I am not saying you are wrong, I haven’t watched him play enough to make my own judgement, just repeating what Cal and Iowa fans have said.
I hope he gets to play, and does good. He however is not a good athlete, and guys that are not good athletes have problems keeping good athletes in front of them on defense. If you will remember that is the reason that Calipari kept giving for keeping Allen on the bench. Remember Calipari is always yelling defense first.
 

mebeblue2

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Been done since February or so? Tampering be damned. Thats OK if he don't want to be a Hawkeye let him go. But he sure screwed Iowa over. Fran was counting on him and was blindsided by CJ. Speaks of his character.
you do realize it is not tampering if the player contacts other schools/coaches
Iowa knew he was leaving well before he hit the portal

you sound like a jilted lover
 
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Well, first off, I don't subscribe to the Calipari narratives that are proffered as facts by many that post on here. "Calipari thinks ______", "Calipari's teams have to have _______," etc. It's just nonsense. Calipari will play the players and also play in the manner that he thinks will give him the best chance to win in March.

So, my guess is maybe Calipari is thinking there is an advantage he can gain with experienced upperclassmen who have developed as shooters and proven they can provide a much higher floor of play and production. I think it's just too hard and erratic to rely on freshmen for high level shooting and dependable go to scoring. Sure, when the best athletes catch up skill-wise they will be the better players, but it takes time for them to get there and they're only going to get part of the way in 1 freshman year of college. I think Calipari may think he sees an easier way with less risk by using less "talented" but currently better players (i.e., proven upperclassmen).
Calipari has said many times if a player can't defend he won't play (..."I can't hide you"....)

I'm glad Fredrick will be on the team but I'll believe it when I see it in terms of CJ getting anything other than token minutes. BTW, Fredrick's defensive ratings are worst than Allen's.

We'll see.
 
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wccat

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Been done since February or so? Tampering be damned. Thats OK if he don't want to be a Hawkeye let him go. But he sure screwed Iowa over. Fran was counting on him and was blindsided by CJ. Speaks of his character.
And if Fran was called and offered the job at say....UK, he would take it and leave CJ blindsided. Would that speak to Fran's character?
 

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Calipari has said many times if a player can't defend he won't play (..."I can't hide you"....)

I'm glad Fredrick will be on the team but I'll believe it when I see it in terms of CJ getting anything other than token minutes. BTW, Fredrick's defensive ratings are worst than Allen's.

We'll see.
I don't know what Calipari has said specifically. Over a decade I assume he's said a lot of quotes - maybe some even contradictory with others. But if a player can't defend he absolutely shouldn't play - unless you're trying to point shave. I don't think UK, or probably any other big time program, takes or plays players they think "can't defend." Now they may have to teach some of the players to be better defenders. And some players may not have the best motors or concentration. But any non-walk-on player at a program like UK probably has the capacity to be an adequate defender if the desire and drive are there.
 

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Wait till TY TY and Alvardo commit. Ive been saying it for weeks. The Cal bashers are gonna look really stupid. I mean they already do. Cal got 2 new great assistants who recruit like beasts. Now he is getting our roster set to be very competitive next year and a much improved shooting team. He has addressed every complaint the bashers have thrown out. Well except the screaming. Ive never understood that anyway, never seen a coach who doesn't scream lol
Yeah! It's not like they had reason, or anything. Imagine the nerve of them.
 
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How is a team with a top 5 PG in the country, a top 5-10 SG and best shooter in the country, top 5 SF in the country, a lottery pick at PF, and a top 3 Center in the country along with a top bench in the country and a top coach that low?
Top coach? Really?
 

Wildcats1st

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Wait till TY TY and Alvardo commit. Ive been saying it for weeks. The Cal bashers are gonna look really stupid. I mean they already do. Cal got 2 new great assistants who recruit like beasts. Now he is getting our roster set to be very competitive next year and a much improved shooting team. He has addressed every complaint the bashers have thrown out. Well except the screaming. Ive never understood that anyway, never seen a coach who doesn't scream lol

all that matters is how our program looks and right now it looks pretty bad. We had the worst season in history. Cal will wear that the rest of his days at UK.

You’re too fixated on ghost fans people you don’t know instead of our program. That tells us all we need to know about your uk basketball priorities. I think people who make posts like this slamming more than half the fan base are the ones who look really dumb.
 

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Yeah! It's not like they had reason, or anything. Imagine the nerve of them.
"They had a reason" ?? You mean you, cause you're one of them, the whiners. We had a bad year, waaaaah. Cal gets a pass for bringing our program back from the dead and giving us #8 and a great decade run. Those of you that can't see that are the ones who have unrealistic expectations amd give our fan base a bad name. Facts
 

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Calipari has said many times if a player can't defend he won't play (..."I can't hide you"....)

I'm glad Fredrick will be on the team but I'll believe it when I see it in terms of CJ getting anything other than token minutes. BTW, Fredrick's defensive ratings are worst than Allen's.

We'll see.
I’m glad somebody said it....I get it we are in a pandemic and the program had its worst season in 100 years and we are starved for positive news after a late major de-commitment. But the defense is going to be a problem.
 
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