Will you give Cal another chance if he....

irishcat1965

Heisman
Apr 22, 2012
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I'll be around.

I'll also throw in the pandemic caveat. Should college basketball see the need to alter or cancel the NCAA tournament other than the standard approach, I won't expect you to honor the bet.
That’s fine and is reasonable. I didn’t think about that.
 

chroix

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Jul 22, 2013
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Yeah, but that doesn't make it okay.

Rupp, Hall, RP and Tubby didn’t have the facilities Cal has right now, they also didn't get 9 million a year to keep UK on top.

Also, they never had a transfer portal with immediate eligibility.

You can say Cal is on the same pace as all our previos coaches, well that's great, but he was supposed to be better. He is paid to be better, UK paid for and built facilities to help him and they are paying his assistants more than they did those other coaches.

But also, if you're going to compare wins, you need to compare losses too, so that 9-16 season really stings if you're a Cal excuse maker.

The bottom line is UK didn’t make Cal the highest paid coach in the history of cbb just so he can be Tubby Smith's equal, no, Cal used UCLA to gain a lifetime deal worth $9,000,000.00 a year, when you do that, you better make sure UK stays on top.
Did any of those coaches have to deal with a pandemic? Asking for a friend.
 

irishcat1965

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Covid caused us to fail is about the weakest sauce one could present . Could it have a been a combo of
A) forcing Sarr into being a post up player
B) Playing Boston far too many minutes
C) failing to move Mintz to the PG and leaving Askew in the dust
D) Burying Allen
E) Covid
Covid isn’t an excuse. Cal’s roster management and coaching were the issues.
 

BassProCat

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I'm not miserable or complaining about what I read.

Don't understand showing up , investing the time and then complaining that you don't like it....and then saying others must be miserable for it.

strange

Strange is showing up every day and complaining about thr same ****. I don’t complain about the same **** everyday but obviously you do cuz my post struck a nerve.
 

TankedCat

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Strange is showing up every day and complaining about thr same ****. I don’t complain about the same **** everyday but obviously you do cuz my post struck a nerve.
maybe, I don't understand people that just want to show up and read about stuff that they agree on.

Its seems like alot of people want a forum where someone makes some profound statement and then everyone else nods in agreement, and they move on to the next topic they all agree on.

What did you expect when you clicked on a thread called "Will you give Cal another chance if he.."? Did it go in a direction you didn't expect?

again...you invest your time to read a thread that has a predictable set of responses, then complain about seeing that predictable set of responses, and then talk about other people being miserable because they responded to a thread that asked the forum a question with answers you apparently expected but didn't like.
 

BassProCat

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maybe, I don't understand people that just want to show up and read about stuff that they agree on.

Its seems like alot of people want a forum where someone makes some profound statement and then everyone else nods in agreement, and they move on to the next topic they all agree on.

What did you expect when you clicked on a thread called "Will you give Cal another chance if he.."? Did it go in a direction you didn't expect?

again...you invest your time to read a thread that has a predictable set of responses, then complain about seeing that predictable set of responses, and then talk about other people being miserable.

Same **** different day.
 

struggler

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My question is WHY should the highest paid coach in college basketball , at the premier program in college basketball , ever need to “rebuild”. He has been here over 10 years, every aspect about our current program ‘s “State” is Cal’s doing, his design. Nearly everyone admits things are broken right now and need to be fixed yet many feel the guy who tore the palace apart is the man who should and will fix it. Then I hear all this drivel about we gotta swim or sink with Cal because we can’t get anyone better. Does anyone really rationally believe no coach in the country could not win more than 9 games at Kentucky , really. Then I hear it’s Cal or another BG like there is no middle or higher ground between the 2, what nonsense. UK needs to contend for an SEC title, make the NCAA tournament and win a couple of games next year or Cal needs to move on. Look at our roster for next year and tell me how that’s gonna happen.
THIS x 1000. Why are we in a "rebuild"? Should never have happened. Great post! IMO people moving the goalposts to give multiple more years to "get it right" have bought into the idea that we are somehow the victim of something other than Cal's choices and design. No. He has had THE longest of leashes and THE most unrestricted of resources (Sans paying players and families)... that leaves zero excuse to go 9-16 and require a multiple year rebuild.

Granted the roster is not complete (We hope and thank God!) - So I am hopeful - but I am also realistic about the CURRENT REALITIES and TRENDS..
 
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know1

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Dec 8, 2002
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It's laughable to see people say thing like "if he has another season like last year....".

Last year was inexcusable and it was building to that for awhile with the way he's running the program.
 
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irishcat1965

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I do think losing Kenny Payne made a difference. To what extent, I don’t know. They would not have only won 9 games but how higher total would have been, I’m not sure.
 

assistbyhawkins

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Thanks for the guarantee. Based on the intelligence of your posts that's really convincing -- convincing that you are wrong, I mean.

Kentucky is very likely a 20-plus win team next year, and an NCAA level team with a good shot at the Sweet 16 and maybe going beyond that. Players like Oscar and Collins and Grady and Brooks are the foundation of a very good team.

But agreeing or disagreeing with that right now doesn't even make sense until the roster is set.

So the entire premise of this thread is faulty and pointless. "What if your wife has a sex change operation and becomes your husband. Will you stick with him?'
I am shocked that you can say this. At what positions this year are we better than last year? There is still no PG on the roster and the guys that we are looking at aren't exactly world beaters.

There isn't a single NBA player on the roster outside of Collins. Do you think Collins will be better than Jackson? And nobody we bring in as a transfer is going to be an NBA talent. If they are, they would be going pro instead of playing 4-5-6 years.

I am all for being optimistic, but none of the players we are looking at will result in 20+ wins. That is crazy to think.
 
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LowCountryCat

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No problem giving him 3 years to get us back to an elite 8. Landscape is changing and things are going to be wildly different but I don’t see a better realistic option out there and honestly I like the guy a lot and he’s earned plenty of good will from me and I believe he can adapt. The off season changes and statements show his willingness to evaluate himself but it might not be a 1 year fix.
WHAT THE EVER LOVING UCKF.

I see UK fans accepting mediocrity right before my eyes.

Does Cal mean THAT MUCH?

SMH.
 

LowCountryCat

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So im guessing you think Dook should fire Coach K? He has had more talent the past 7 years but Cal has had better results. These 7 years havent even been that bad, Elite 8's and Sweet 16's count for something along with SEC championships.
Really. Cal has had better results?

Who won the title in 2015?
 

kyjeff1

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Sep 8, 2012
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I have made myself clear that this year was unacceptable and frankly, didn’t give a **** if Cal left. However, he isn’t leaving and I happen to think getting Antigua and Chin are really good steps in the right direction. Now whether that helps get a legit point guard for next year, I have no idea. Pressure is on Cal to get that accomplished to have any measurable success next year. I think the rest of the roster will shake out fine if he gets the point guard.
Yeah, I agree, Cal isn't leaving and he certainly won't be fired anytime soon, but he has everything he needs to build a team that can be a legit threat in 21/22.

I do like the changes he has made to his staff and I firmly believe he has some guys already locked up to run the pg spot next year, based on his actions. He's been reaching out to a lot of guards and my guess is, to ask them if they are good with a backup position. I feel like he knows Mintz will be back, Carr is his to lose, Fredrick is UK bound and at least one more pg option is set. Again, just a feeling I have based on his actions.

But, if Cal had won a 2nd title in his time here at UK, the BBN would still be behind him, there will always be critics, but a 2nd title makes all the difference in the world in this sport. Simply put, he has put too much effort into getting kids paid than winning titles and he's not even trying to hide it, so when you add all this stuff together, nobody should be surprised that large numbers of the most passionate fanbase in cbb are pissed.
 

kyjeff1

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Did any of those coaches have to deal with a pandemic? Asking for a friend.
Did Baylor, Gonzaga, UCLA and Houston deal with the pandemic?

You can’t complain about the pandemic when one team went undefeated all the way to the title game and another only had 2 losses… .because they actually had to sit for 2 weeks.

UK never had to sit and you can't cry foul when you are the one that let EJ, Richards and Hagans walk out the door. You can’t cry foul when you created a culture that causes you to fly by the seat of your pants and be at risk of any abnormalities that could happen and you can't cry foul when you had more nba talent than everyone else. Cal had two top 7 kids and the #1 transfer. It’s not Covid's fault that Cal convinced a high school junior to reclass to run point at UK.

Don't make excuses for Cal, he needs to own this.
 

irishcat1965

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Yeah, I agree, Cal isn't leaving and he certainly won't be fired anytime soon, but he has everything he needs to build a team that can be a legit threat in 21/22.

I do like the changes he has made to his staff and I firmly believe he has some guys already locked up to run the pg spot next year, based on his actions. He's been reaching out to a lot of guards and my guess is, to ask them if they are good with a backup position. I feel like he knows Mintz will be back, Carr is his to lose, Fredrick is UK bound and at least one more pg option is set. Again, just a feeling I have based on his actions.

But, if Cal had won a 2nd title in his time here at UK, the BBN would still be behind him, there will always be critics, but a 2nd title makes all the difference in the world in this sport. Simply put, he has put too much effort into getting kids paid than winning titles and he's not even trying to hide it, so when you add all this stuff together, nobody should be surprised that large numbers of the most passionate fanbase in cbb are pissed.
Fans Being pissed and losing the fanbase are two different things. If UK makes a run in March after a solid regular season, imo, the fans will be right there with the team.
 

kyjeff1

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Sep 8, 2012
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Bruh EVERY ****IN THREAD...same 3-5 posters too. Grown men crying and complaining about the same topics everyday. Like that **** doesn’t get old?! More to life than being miserable on the internet. My lord.
You don't have to read the thread and nobody is crying, I see several discussions going on, that's all it is.

If you can’t handle it, start a thread on something you want to talk about.

I see you in a lot of different threads complaining about posters making comments that you don't agree with, but it’s quite simple really, move on to a different thread, that's what I do.
 

kyjeff1

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Fans Being pissed and losing the fanbase are two different things. If UK makes a run in March after a solid regular season, imo, the fans will be right there with the team.
Well yeah, everyone in here wants to see UK win, so that's not that hard to believe.
 
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TankedCat

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I can understand people saying the pandemic is an issue

but we had a point guard go what - 3 straight games mid season and not score a point?

then the much ballyhoo'd "Boston has it figured out and is playing to his potential" resulted in him being a no show in the last game of the season.

No one can say for certain if we'd be 9-16 if not for the pandemic, but only the most optimistic person would say this team would have played to UK standards.

I don't think they were an NCAA tournament team even without the pandemic. I don't think I'd have much trouble finding people that agree with me.

How UK missed that badly on player evaluation and development is a serious issue and the mass exodus, yet again, shows there isn't a short term fix to this problem.
 

irishcat1965

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Apr 22, 2012
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Well yeah, everyone in here wants to see UK win, so that's not that hard to believe.
Contrary to what many believe here, I have no problem people giving Cal the heat he deserves. It’s the posters who repeat the mantra Cal sucks in 10 different ways over and over and refuse to discuss strategy, player/coach additions etc.
 
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BassProCat

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You don't have to read the thread and nobody is crying, I see several discussions going on, that's all it is.

If you can’t handle it, start a thread on something you want to talk about.

I see you in a lot of different threads complaining about posters making comments that you don't agree with, but it’s quite simple really, move on to a different thread, that's what I do.

Prove I’m on here every day complaining about the same **** or calling posters out!! I have problems with Cal but to get on here every day and argue about the same **** over and over is crying. I accepted the fact **** needs to be fixed but I don’t belly ache about the same couple topics every day on here Like you.
 

kyjeff1

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Prove I’m on here every day complaining about the same **** or calling posters out!! I have problems with Cal but to get on here every day and argue about the same **** over and over is crying. I accepted the fact **** needs to be fixed but I don’t belly ache about the same couple topics every day on here Like you.
Come on with the crying stuff, nobody is crying, but you have to admit, the program is in a really bad spot right now and all the reasons why, land right at Cal's feet.

And again, just like Tanked said to you, what did you expect when you clicked on this thread? The thread title tells you all you need to know and you knew exactly what was going to be said, yet you clicked on it anyway.

But I can say the same things about you. You bring the same comments to most threads you comment in too.
 
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