Will you give Cal another chance if he....
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Fat Boy, I can always tell when you’re off your meds, because I wake up to find you’ve posted several stupid @ss threads on RR. Your medication can be your best friend.
Thanks for the guarantee. Based on the intelligence of your posts that's really convincing -- convincing that you are wrong, I mean.
Kentucky is very likely a 20-plus win team next year, and an NCAA level team with a good shot at the Sweet 16 and maybe going beyond that. Players like Oscar and Collins and Grady and Brooks are the foundation of a very good team.
But agreeing or disagreeing with that right now doesn't even make sense until the roster is set.
So the entire premise of this thread is faulty and pointless. "What if your wife has a sex change operation and becomes your husband. Will you stick with him?'
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So you admit to being a troll. What retread are you? BallerCal?
I appreciate the fact that Cal is taking noticeable steps to go in the right direction
He got fat and happy the last couple of years thinking he could pull of the magic without the effort - which happened to Tubby as well.
I personally believe next year will be better (how can it not when you just turned in the most historically bad season ever at Kentucky) but no one is going to be excited about it. Cal isn't getting the players he wants, he isn't getting plan B, hell, he isn't getting Plan D at PG.
The only real question is will fans give him yet another mulligan while his high dollar assistants try to put together a serious team for 2023.
I just hope that Cal understands he can't go back to putting a crap product on the floor with the promise of March. Alot of people weren't excited about Kentucky basketball when he wasn't stinking it up after 2016, and its completely off the rails with his deer in the headlights season he just turned in.
He got fat and happy the last couple of years thinking he could pull of the magic without the effort - which happened to Tubby as well.
I personally believe next year will be better (how can it not when you just turned in the most historically bad season ever at Kentucky) but no one is going to be excited about it. Cal isn't getting the players he wants, he isn't getting plan B, hell, he isn't getting Plan D at PG.
The only real question is will fans give him yet another mulligan while his high dollar assistants try to put together a serious team for 2023.
I just hope that Cal understands he can't go back to putting a crap product on the floor with the promise of March. Alot of people weren't excited about Kentucky basketball when he wasn't stinking it up after 2016, and its completely off the rails with his deer in the headlights season he just turned in.
No. After his actions this past year, a big HELL NO. Time for him to move on. He said himself that 10 years is a good life span for a UK coach. Time for him to take his own advice. Half the fan base has been alienated because of his actions and tone. They are not coming back, so the fan base will remain divide till he is gone.
Coach K had to rebuild after his 15th year at Duke. Roy had to rebuild after his 16th year at UNC. But that doesn’t fit the agenda does it?
Multiple Championships affords them that
I bet that doesn't fit some agendas either
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As I have stated many times I am a Cal supporter and do not want his gone or replaced.
BUT IF.... we have another season like last year or another NIT then its more than likely time to put him in an administration roll and get a new head coach.
BUT... I feel strongly that will not happen I think Cal is going after another National Championship then retire while on top.
BUT IF.... we have another season like last year or another NIT then its more than likely time to put him in an administration roll and get a new head coach.
BUT... I feel strongly that will not happen I think Cal is going after another National Championship then retire while on top.
Hate to say it but I am closer to this than the guy that said 3-4 years.
I think if cal cannot get 20 wins and field a pretty damn competitive team then I will lose faith. To be clear, I spent most of the last season thinking many of you were being too hardcore in a covid year. Next will not be that so expectations rose for me... by a lot.
OF course this is all hypothetical (the question). So, hypothetically speaking, if we have a similar outcome next season Cal should be fired no matter the contract.
This is KENTUCKY F'N BASKETBALL! I can't believe some of the responses that would excuse this again. It is already concerning enough that as elite facilties, history, fan base, arena, reputation, that our program has over almost any other program we are losing recruits to football schools and lesser programs sharing none of what our program offers. You don't have one if not the highest paid basketball coaches at these other schools for a reason. There are many reasons we can debate about why we just had the worst season for Kentucky in the modern era. OK, it happened and as some point out for different reasons it has happened elsewhere. But, this isn't a "rebuilding" situation because of 4 year graduations, a super-star player moving on, you just won a championship or came close, injuries, etc.
The final outcome of recruiting remains to be seen. But, it is Cal's responsibility as head coach to have teams at a program like Kentucky compete for National Championships, not just to get to the NCAA tourney (or less).
This is KENTUCKY F'N BASKETBALL! I can't believe some of the responses that would excuse this again. It is already concerning enough that as elite facilties, history, fan base, arena, reputation, that our program has over almost any other program we are losing recruits to football schools and lesser programs sharing none of what our program offers. You don't have one if not the highest paid basketball coaches at these other schools for a reason. There are many reasons we can debate about why we just had the worst season for Kentucky in the modern era. OK, it happened and as some point out for different reasons it has happened elsewhere. But, this isn't a "rebuilding" situation because of 4 year graduations, a super-star player moving on, you just won a championship or came close, injuries, etc.
The final outcome of recruiting remains to be seen. But, it is Cal's responsibility as head coach to have teams at a program like Kentucky compete for National Championships, not just to get to the NCAA tourney (or less).
Well, lets disect this a little bit. You just insinuated that it would take John Wall and Cuz type talents to go from what was 20/21 to a 2010 type season, but I'll ask you this, is Knight/Lamb/Jones/Jorts better that Wall/Cuz/Bledsoe/Patterson?
The 2014 team didn't have a wall or Cuz on it either.
Look, it doesn't take a team full of top 3 high school kids to go from suck to great when you have a transfer portal and immediate eligibility.
Cal has all the things he needs to be great in 21/22. Oscar and Collins can easily be as good or better than Jorts and Jones. Oscar is going to be a junior and Collins is a top 10 kid. If Cal lands Carr, Mintz and a couple other guards, which shouldn't be that difficult to do, given the fact that there are a gazillion guards in the portal, then he will have a roster full of damn good experienced players at every position.
Fact is, Cal has rebuilt the roster every year he has been here, now he has an added tool to use via immediate eligibility. I see no reason why 21/22 has to be terrible, if he can't put a legit FF threat type lineup out there with Orlando, Chin and Lucas recruiting for him, then he needs to donate his pay back to UK.
As far as those that think it’s okay to take 3 years to rebuild UK basketball… . ummmm no it's not. Y'all act like Cal is just now taking over the program. No, he created this mess, he's the highest paid coach in cbb and this is Kentucky, that **** won’t fly.
At the time, K had two titles. So magically that extra title after 15 years afforded him that?
Program should not be in the shape it is in with our Brand and the money we are paying our Coach and Staff. If Cal cannot make the Sweet16 every year at UK he should be fired. If he has a losing record on 1/1/22 he should be fired that day. Many if not most of the Cal supporters wanted Tubby out yet Tubby record over the last 5 years is not much different from Tubby's and Tubby never had a losing record. So would you keep Tubby?
You people keeping bringing up his salary, which is ridiculous. He's paid that way because he's one of the top coaches in the game. A down season or two doesn't change that.
I judge next season on improvement. If there isn't significant improvement then I think his seat starts to get warm. But otherwise it's up to Cal.
yes it does, Cal had 17 years as a college coach prior to UK.At the time, K had two titles. So magically that extra title after 15 years afforded him that?
To date there is nothing that should lead anyone to believe that Cal is working toward another title as a college coach - he's actually moving further away from it. His "rebuild" was more of a slow downward spiral beginning with the 2016 season and then accelerated to light speed going off a cliff last year.
Tubby Smith wasn't afforded this career second chance at Kentucky and he never turned in a season as bad as Cal (amazingly, no coach at UK has), yet Tubby is also a championship winning coach.
No Tubby wasn't fired, but Mitch stepped in and told him to get rid of his staff and essentially let him know he was on a short leash. Cal has 1 NIT with a first round loss and one season where UK wasn't even good enough to be in the NIT. With the highest of highs, Cal is more than capable of the lowest of lows.
Who knows, maybe Mitch stepped in and told Cal to jettison his staff, which would inspire even less confidence.
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7 years with no final four is on par with UK's historical average guy. Add to that the fact that there is a lot more parity in college ball right now and it makes sense.
I remember that parity argument being tossed around to justify Tubby's performance
and I remember people saying BCG needed 5 years to rebuild
then Calipari came in , developed a team of studs in 1 year and it was clear there was no college parity for several years when you see UNC, Duke and Kentucky win championships in a 5 or 6 year span.
Parity is an excuse for your coach sucking.
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Your coach love exceeds your program love. I find that very telling as to where your priorities are, but you seem happy supporting coach over program, so, to each his own.
Love how the goal posts change with people like you. First he should not be rebuilding after ten years. Then I show two HOF coaches had to do it later in their careers and then suddenly well that’s ok they have more than one title.
Why don’t you put your money where your piehole is. If UK doesn’t win 20 games or more and go to the ncaa tournament, I will pay you $250. If they do, you owe me $250. Deal?
Yeah, but that doesn't make it okay.
Rupp, Hall, RP and Tubby didn’t have the facilities Cal has right now, they also didn't get 9 million a year to keep UK on top.
Also, they never had a transfer portal with immediate eligibility.
You can say Cal is on the same pace as all our previos coaches, well that's great, but he was supposed to be better. He is paid to be better, UK paid for and built facilities to help him and they are paying his assistants more than they did those other coaches.
But also, if you're going to compare wins, you need to compare losses too, so that 9-16 season really stings if you're a Cal excuse maker.
The bottom line is UK didn’t make Cal the highest paid coach in the history of cbb just so he can be Tubby Smith's equal, no, Cal used UCLA to gain a lifetime deal worth $9,000,000.00 a year, when you do that, you better make sure UK stays on top.
Lol. So I don’t agree with you so I’m a fan of Cal and not UK? I have two degrees from UK. I have zero loyalty to Cal. Zero. You make horseshit statements that Cal has lost half the fanbase. Explain to me how you know this and based on what information? I didn’t realize you were so connected sitting in North Carolina. Enlighten me on how you know the pulse of the fan base?
Idk man, if Cal won the title in 2015, giving him 2 titles at UK, I don't think there would be as much anger as there is now. Roy and K have multiple titles, when you do that, the fans lay off quite a bit longer. Heck, K built duke into what it is today, he literally could jump up on the scoreres table and piss all over the student section every game and they would STILL support him.Love how the goal posts change with people like you. First he should not be rebuilding after ten years. Then I show two HOF coaches had to do it later in their careers and then suddenly well that’s ok they have more than one title.
Why don’t you put your money where your piehole is. If UK doesn’t win 20 games or more and go to the ncaa tournament, I will pay you $250. If they do, you owe me $250. Deal?
You have to admit, losing most of your team every year, some to the GL, then continuously coming up short, then watching Isaiah Briscoe type players leave after 2 years is getting really old. The 9-16 debacle caused the volcano to blow.
How so? Just because I find it amusing that Cal's actions impact your life in any way, I must then be a troll? That's some hillbilly logic.
Or it's called telling it like it is.
You got the money laying around for a buyout?
talk about moving the goal posts. 20 games? that's the litmus for a return to greatness?Love how the goal posts change with people like you. First he should not be rebuilding after ten years. Then I show two HOF coaches had to do it later in their careers and then suddenly well that’s ok they have more than one title.
Why don’t you put your money where your piehole is. If UK doesn’t win 20 games or more and go to the ncaa tournament, I will pay you $250. If they do, you owe me $250. Deal?
No, put some real faith in your coach. $250 for a final four. Hows your piehole now?
He is UK’s coach, not my coach. You have made it clear you don’t think they are are going anywhere this year. However, to make things interesting, I will agree to a final 8 appearance. You game?
LOL. Glad to know how much people on this message board impact your life.
I care about winning. I don't care about how random people on the internet feel or respond to a coach. I just want to win.
If has another sub 20 win season, may not matter how any of us feel.
I have made myself clear that this year was unacceptable and frankly, didn’t give a **** if Cal left. However, he isn’t leaving and I happen to think getting Antigua and Chin are really good steps in the right direction. Now whether that helps get a legit point guard for next year, I have no idea. Pressure is on Cal to get that accomplished to have any measurable success next year. I think the rest of the roster will shake out fine if he gets the point guard.
An elite 8?
ok, as a policy I don't bet against UK, but I will take a stand. $250 UK elite 8.
save it for posterity. Its not like I'd be spending it on final four tickets anyways.
Lol, they do? I think you miscomprehended what I wrote.
I want to win as well, but seeing the misery Cal causes some of you by not pandering to your all's ignorant, outdated beliefs is amusing.
Unless you all have a spare 50 million laying around, Cal will still be here.
No matter what, 30 wins ain't happening next year. Even 25 wins will be tough unless something big happens like add Hardy, IJ returns, or we get 2-3 of top guys who bail out of the draft.
But less than 20 wins (unless Covid limits # of games) is not acceptable after last year. NEED to see significant progress, so an NCAA invite at minimum.
But less than 20 wins (unless Covid limits # of games) is not acceptable after last year. NEED to see significant progress, so an NCAA invite at minimum.
It’s a deal. Elite 8 or better. You have been around here a while so will take you at your word. That last poster I made a bet with on here (that Zion and company wouldn’t make the final four) proved to be a POS and didn’t keep his word to delete his account when they didn’t make the final four. He still posts to this day. People that don’t keep their word are worthless.
I'll be around.
I'll also throw in the pandemic caveat. Should college basketball see the need to alter or cancel the NCAA tournament other than the standard approach, I won't expect you to honor the bet.
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