Holtmann turns down IU

Blueworld_3.0

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Pitino had a Final Four at Providence then two years later won the division title with the Knicks. Newton wasn't exactly rolling the dice. Plus, the program wasn't exactly at a place where they could be picky.

Tubby had only been a head coach for 6 years. However, he had made the Sweet 16 three out of the six. He was up and coming and proved to have some postseason success.

Even Eddie Sutton had an Elite Eight and Final Four.

Hall was hired almost 50 years ago. Times have changed.
Pitino's Knicks squad was middle of the pack when he left for UK.
His run to the FF with Billy Donovan was a isolated incident. Might even be argued that Beard's FF at TTU was under better circumstances.

OTS had never been past the Sweet 16 at either Tulsa or Georgia.

Eddie Sutton's FF was in '78. Same year as Hall's championship at UK.

None of those listed had massive success before coming to UK.
 

Dr.LutherSan

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What terrifies me is Cal continuing to hold the program hostage, coaching underwelming seasons and then when half the team leaves for the NBA celebrating like it was his goal the entire year.

What terrifies me is Cal continuing to hold the program hostage, coaching underwelming seasons and then when half the team leaves for the NBA celebrating like it was his goal the entire year.
I don't think you realize how overrated the lure of the UK head coaching gig is. Getting rid of Cal isn't going to automatically bring the Pitino-era success back. Keep in mind who is going to be doing the hiring. Calipari was a great hire. Stoops seems to be a good hire as well (I don't really keep up with football). However, we've all witnessed the dumbassery of Mitch Barnhart.
 

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For you people that think we can just go out there and get anyone we want must be awfully young or have a short memeory. I've been around since the Rupp days, and with the exception of Joe B who was named coach in waiting we've never got our first choice, not sure about Cal.
False.
 

Woodrow24

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Tubby kinda was, we ended up with him because we got turned down by others. Hall was the coach in waiting for years and Pitino was an NBA coach. Why would they be embarrassing?

I guess if you can't argue the content it's best to resort to ad hominem these days?......Interesting.
It’s not hard for most to comprehend what I was getting at. Comparing a coaching search at Kentucky and Indiana is comical. To bad it was to difficult for you. With your new account you were most likely banned, including when you’re makings posts like yours.
 

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It’s not hard for most to comprehend what I was getting at. Comparing a coaching search at Kentucky and Indiana is comical. To bad it was to difficult for you. With your new account you were most likely banned, including when you’re makings posts like yours.
Lol, I don't even think you comprehended what you wrote, let alone anyone else.

Why would my posts get me banned? Is sharing a belief ban worthy now? I literally thought the point of a message board was to share opinions and have discussions....

You really shouldn't let the opinions of others get you so riled up.
 

Blueblood410

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What terrifies me is Cal continuing to hold the program hostage, coaching underwelming seasons and then when half the team leaves for the NBA celebrating like it was his goal the entire year.
2015 - 38-1, Final Four
2016 - 27-9
2017 - 32-5, Elite Eight
2018 - 26-11
2019 - 30-7, Elite Eight
2020 - 25-6

You people really need to stop acting like every season has been “underwhelming”. There’s been no titles, but 99% of CBB would trade with us over the last seven years.

If our idiot, entitled whiny *** fans run off Cal after the success he’s had, there’s not going to be any top tier coaches that look at that and say “he did all that and they still were not happy. Why would I go there?” and then you’ll have no one to blame but yourselves when we end up with another Billy G.
 

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Joe Hall was a assistant under Rupp. Rick Pitino was a middle of the pack NBA coach. Tubby Smith had never been past the Sweet 16. No one would have called those guys "home run hires" at the time they took the job.
So your fine with hiring a coach with a mediocre win loss record? I’m not. so Barnhart better do his homework because Holtmann, Beard and Brey doesn’t do it for me and I imagine there are others that feel the same way.
 

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Lol, I don't even think you comprehended what you wrote, let alone anyone else.

Why would my posts get me banned? Is sharing a belief ban worthy now? I literally thought the point of a message board was to share opinions and have discussions....

You really shouldn't let the opinions of others get you so riled up.
Riled up? Lmao I was insinuating that since you joined the site “Monday at 1:14” that you have been banned on here before. Happens quite often. Including when someone makes such a bad comparison when comparing our program to Indiana.
 

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Riled up? Lmao I was insinuating that since you joined the site “Monday at 1:14” that you have been banned on here before. Happens quite often. Including when someone makes such a bad comparison when comparing our program to Indiana.
You're definitely riled up if you're calling for bans over differing opinions.

Did I compare programs or the issues with hiring a quality replacement? To quote your earlier post, "It’s not hard for most to comprehend what I was getting at."
 

Dr.LutherSan

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So your fine with hiring a coach with a mediocre win loss record? I’m not. so Barnhart better do his homework because Holtmann, Beard and Brey doesn’t do it for me and I imagine there are others that feel the same way.
If Holtmann wasn't from the state of Kentucky he wouldn't even be mentioned. Hiring head coaches because they are locals, former players, or former assistants is for high school and bottom-tier programs.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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One of my favorite clips of all time.
 

Dr.LutherSan

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Exactly Holtmann is at OSU they only really care about football, same thing with Beard. Either of those 2 might kill it at KY with our resources.
Ohio State isn't exactly going shirts and skins in a middle school gym. They have the largest athletic budget in the history of college sports.
 

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So your fine with hiring a coach with a mediocre win loss record? I’m not. so Barnhart better do his homework because Holtmann, Beard and Brey doesn’t do it for me and I imagine there are others that feel the same way.
I totally agree.
 

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Pitino's Knicks squad was middle of the pack when he left for UK.
His run to the FF with Billy Donovan was a isolated incident. Might even be argued that Beard's FF at TTU was under better circumstances.

OTS had never been past the Sweet 16 at either Tulsa or Georgia.

Eddie Sutton's FF was in '78. Same year as Hall's championship at UK.

None of those listed had massive success before coming to UK.
The Knicks won the Atlantic Division, had the 3rd highest winning percentage in the East (6th highest in the entire NBA) and the 2 seed in the playoffs in his final year in NY. Far from middle of the pack.
 

Woodrow24

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You're definitely riled up if you're calling for bans over differing opinions.

Did I compare programs or the issues with hiring a quality replacement? To quote your earlier post, "It’s not hard for most to comprehend what I was getting at."
I didn’t say you should be banned. I said you have probably been banned on this site before and that’s why you have a new account. Obviously you’re not half as intelligent as you think you are. Lmao
 

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The delusion of the IU fan base is on par with Tennessee football —

Hoosiers are attacking national and Indy sports reporters about this Holtmann news refusing to accept the reality he would turn the IU job down.
 

WildcatNC

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I would like to announce that I will not accept the IU head coaching job. I feel my current position giving CPR to Covid patients has more security and chance for success.
 
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KellyMead

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I didn’t say you should be banned. I said you have probably been banned on this site before and that’s why you have a new account. Obviously you’re not half as intelligent as you think you are. Lmao
Lol, you literally stated posts like mine get people banned, in support of it. If you can't see how that isn't advocating for me being banned you would have to be pretty dim.

Just because I can identify that I am smarter than you doesn’t require me to believe I am that smart. You don't exactly set a high bar, after all. 🤣
 

Woodrow24

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Lol, you literally stated posts like mine get people banned, in support of it. If you can't see how that isn't advocating for me being banned you would have to be pretty dim.

Just because I can identify that I am smarter than you doesn’t require me to believe I am that smart. You don't exactly set a high bar, after all. 🤣
That’s not at all what I said, but it’s not surprising that you gotta lie. I said you have probably been banned on here before. I’ll let the mods figure that one out. Regardless, with your reading comprehension, you have no business calling anyone “dim”.
 

KellyMead

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That’s not at all what I said, but it’s not surprising that you gotta lie. I said you have probably been banned on here before. I’ll let the mods figure that one out. Regardless, with your reading comprehension, you have no business calling anyone “dim”.
That is exactly what you said. Whether you intended to or not I can't answer, but it is what it is.

Again, there you are doing it again. Why would I have been banned before? Is having an opinion ban worthy. The fact you immediately jump to being banned in the past, present or future insinuates it's a penalty you think should be utilized. It's literally what you are thinking about.

You're seriously attacking someone else's reading comprehension when you can't even comprehend what you wrote? 🤔

I can see I have struck a nerve; not only with my opinion, but also with my subsequent posts. Wonder why that is?

Any how, you have a good evening with all that.
 

Blueworld_3.0

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So your fine with hiring a coach with a mediocre win loss record? I’m not. so Barnhart better do his homework because Holtmann, Beard and Brey doesn’t do it for me and I imagine there are others that feel the same way.
I have -zero- interest in Brey.
Holtmann and Beard would be on Barnhart's list. As would Tony Bennett, Billy Donovan and few others. Brad Stevens probably would not. I think he's made it obvious he is a NBA lifer now.
 

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I have -zero- interest in Brey.
Holtmann and Beard would be on Barnhart's list. As would Tony Bennett, Billy Donovan and few others. Brad Stevens probably would not. I think he's made it obvious he is a NBA lifer now.
Brey wouldn't be a horrible hire, he held a clean program and would maybe help a smooth transition into the new college basketball.
 

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2015 - 38-1, Final Four
2016 - 27-9
2017 - 32-5, Elite Eight
2018 - 26-11
2019 - 30-7, Elite Eight
2020 - 25-6

You people really need to stop acting like every season has been “underwhelming”. There’s been no titles, but 99% of CBB would trade with us over the last seven years.

If our idiot, entitled whiny *** fans run off Cal after the success he’s had, there’s not going to be any top tier coaches that look at that and say “he did all that and they still were not happy. Why would I go there?” and then you’ll have no one to blame but yourselves when we end up with another Billy G.

Well said Thank you

So sick of hearing about Cals failures the past 5 years what are these people even talking about.
 

Big10Cat

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Wow.

Really strange move for IU to go after him. Not surprised at all he turned them down.

What are they thinking?!?

Gotta have a functioning brain to be able to think. That’s something not found in Bloomington.
 
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the Cal nut huggers have conviced me. We should just shut the school down when Cal leaves.
The cult of Cal is an incredibly short sighted bunch. To them, Kentucky basketball didn’t exist before Cal and can’t possibly exist after.
I’ll disregard the insults and name calling, and address the substance. I can only speak for myself....I am well aware of our history, how we are unique even among bluebloods for sustained success across decades and multiple coaches. Three comments:

1. Calipari’s sheer list of accomplishments means it’s very likely we take a dip (or a dive) when he leaves. That’s not Cal worship, it’s the law of averages. Even if you think we’ll soon rebound - and history argues that’s a reasonable assumption - we’re most likely going to have a down period. The question is, how long.

2. There’s no obvious home run hire out there. This has always been the toughest job in college basketball, and in the age of social media, it’s harder than ever. I know folks think we’re immune to it, but missing on target 1, target 2 taking a different job, target 3 deciding he doesn’t want the pressure - now you’re going downhill fast, as other candidates start to attach a stigma to the job [see the Last several Indians basketball and Tennessee football searches], that trip is not far fetched. Everyone seems to think “this is Kentucky, we get who we want!” But identifying and hiring the right guy is not easy, it’s hard. Not doing it doesnt mean your AD is a dumbass.

3. Regarding that assumption that we’ll always be great in college basketball......things change. The world is a different place now. Nothing is guaranteed. Not long ago, Indiana and UCLA thought, justifiably, they’d always be powers, as did Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida State, Michigan, etc, etc. in football.
 

csrupp

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This will be unpopular here, but if we lose Cal anytime soon, this is similar to what our search will resemble. Getting rejected by the top choices, then getting rejected by someone who has never been past a sw 16, and only made it to 1 of those (Holtman), then being embarrassed and having to settle for a Chris Beard type coach. Not to mention the entire roster will leave with him.
And just like IU fans some UK fans will actually think Brad Stevens will come running to Lexington.🤪
That’s not nearly as dumb as thinking UK will turn into IU when Cal leaves.
 

KellyMead

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That’s not nearly as dumb as thinking UK will turn into IU when Cal leaves.
Who said we would turn into IU? I think if you try slowing down and comprehending what was written, you will find it's referring to coaching searches. It's not just an IU thing. UCLA has struggled to find a great coach. UNC will struggle to get a great hire when Roy leaves, Duke will struggle for one when K leaves. Same with KU and Self. Anyone paying attention should see it.