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SuporChin

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The constant whining and entitlement from this crowd is obnoxious.
How many other coaches had down years before lighting up the tournament later on? Look at Jay Wright. He went to a final four and then his program fell apart for a while before winning two rings. UNC completely cratered last season while under the direction of a 3 x champion.
But sure our HoF coach is so terrible that he needs to be fired.
In case your forgot, people were wondering if we should fire Cal back in 2013. Two years later his team was two games and a corrupt ref away from being undefeated.
 
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Cats_2010

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UkCat11 said:
I do feel like we are beginning to see his true inability to coach late game situations. We don't have the talent to bail us out late game when things are not going our way. That is certainly something Cal could improve on. Especially with the talent coming in next year not looking outstanding. That is something he will have to change because right now other coaches are coaching circles around him in the final 8 minutes. I think part of that is the absence of Kenny Payne. I do think he did a lot, or suggested a lot of the in game adjustments
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Here was the most important part of your rant. Cal has been exposed not just for his inability to coach late game situations but his inability to coach (period). Now at one time in his career he was certainly a lot better but he has taken a lazy path of coaching and is not turning back at this stage of his career. You really think at this stage of his career he is going to improve on late game situations 😂.

The Allen fiasco you mentioned is another good point and it’s not as much about allen as it is about Boston. Last two games for example. Allen played 7 minutes at Missouri due to bad defense. Not sure anyone has played as bad defensively as Boston did last night but still played 26 minutes including all 8 minutes when we went from up 10 to down 10. Cal has let his bias show for “his guys” this year and as a coach your whole team should be “your guys”.

Lastly cal brought liberal politics into KY basketball with a very heavy conservative fanbase. He can take his goodwill he brought the program his first 5 years and kick rocks. I hate the bastard and can’t wait for him to leave.
 
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hoggwildcat

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I have always said, and I will repeat it, if you fire a hall of fame coach after one bad year during a pandemic, the PR hit would be be tough to overcome. Just because WE ARE KENTUCKY, will not matter. All the media outlets would lambaste us. No coach would want this job under those circumstances.
 
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HagginHall1999

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CELTICAT said:
I’m not convinced both can be supported at the moment. Either the coach changes his approach or the program changes what it considers successful.

but to your larger point, yes, I agree, I’m a better fan than you
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Shocking you feel that way- you don't come across as obnoxious, conceded, arrogant, delusional, none of those things....by the way, I am a really sarcastic person.
 
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HagginHall1999

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hoggwildcat said:
I have always said, and I will repeat it, if you fire a hall of fame coach after one bad year during a pandemic, the PR hit would be be tough to overcome. Just because WE ARE KENTUCKY, will not matter. All the media outlets would lambaste us. No coach would want this job under those circumstances.
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Cal isn't getting fired. He just needs to change some and I am confident he will.
 
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UKEarp

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It's not just that he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag. It's that the referees seem to loathe him and we haven't gotten a fair whistle in the past 5 years. It's blatantly obvious to anybody who has watched the games. This will continue until he's gone. In summary, horrible game coach, can no longer get the top five recruits needed to run this one and done crap and we'll be playing five on eight from here until he retires. Does that sound like a pleasant experience for any of you?
 
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KyFaninNC

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hoggwildcat said:
I have always said, and I will repeat it, if you fire a hall of fame coach after one bad year during a pandemic, the PR hit would be be tough to overcome. Just because WE ARE KENTUCKY, will not matter. All the media outlets would lambaste us. No coach would want this job under those circumstances.
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False. Go on vacation.
 
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BigRedMachineBigBlueNation

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hoggwildcat said:
I have always said, and I will repeat it, if you fire a hall of fame coach after one bad year during a pandemic, the PR hit would be be tough to overcome. Just because WE ARE KENTUCKY, will not matter. All the media outlets would lambaste us. No coach would want this job under those circumstances.
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One Bad Year [roll] [roll]
 
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Jont0805

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Whoppercat said:
Never mind. You edited your post so that it makes sense.
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yeah I figured maybe that is what u were talking about but the point remains the same. There are a many number of coaches that will not win a title at their current school that could come here and win one. It’s crazy to me that people are convinced Cal is the only coach we can ever have again and without him we will crumble.

Dick Vitale said the same stuff about Tubby Smith and look what he did after Kentucky.
 
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BigBlueFanGA

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SuporChin said:
The constant whining and entitlement from this crowd is obnoxious.
How many other coaches had down years before lighting up the tournament later on? Look at Jay Wright. He went to a final four and then his program fell apart for a while before winning two rings. UNC completely cratered last season while under the direction of a 3 x champion.
But sure our HoF coach is so terrible that he needs to be fired.
In case your forgot, people were wondering if we should fire Cal back in 2013. Two years later his team was two games and a corrupt ref away from being undefeated.
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Don't be absurd. No one seriously wanted Cal fired in 2013. Whats going on now is totally different. If we can claim that Cal's philosophy works at all, it only works with superior talent. Cak no longer brings in that level of player. This year is an anomaly but our less than acceptable results for 6 years is not. That is what will continue until Cal leaves or changes his philosophy.
 
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BigRedMachineBigBlueNation

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Cal’s ONE bad season(s)

2013
- 21-12
- lost last 5 of 11
- lost in NIT 1st rnd to 8s Robert Morris

2016
- 27-9
-lost in NCAA 2nd Round to 5s Indiana

2018
- 26-11
- 4 game losing streak
- 7 of 12 losing streak
- lost to NCAA Elite Eight to 9s K-State

2019
- 30-7
- Crushed by Dook to start the season
- Lost in NCAA Elite Eight to 5s Auburn

2020
- 25-6
- Lost to unranked Evansville
- Lost to unranked Utah
- Baker transfers mid-season
- Whitney transfers mid-season

2021
-5-12
- Worst season in KENTUCKY HISTORY
- 6 game losing streak
- Including loss to unranked Richmond
- Including loss to unranked Notre Dame
- Including loss to unranked Georgia Tech
-6 of 7 losing streak
- Including loss to unranked Aurburn
- Including loss to unranked Georgia
 
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SmedMoley

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loublue22 said:
Tubby literally did not care about recruiting and his rock bottom was the 2nd round. Gillispie was drunk all the time apparently and everyone hated him and his worst team made the NIT. What Cal has done this year is unfathomable.
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And yet, some of us are crazy and entitled, for being outraged over Cal's mismanagement of this program.
 
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Blue_2_the_bone_rivals

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hoggwildcat said:
All you I want to fire or last five year people, here is a list of top 13 coaches in the last 10 years
13. Chris Beard
12. Brad Steven's
11. Billy Donavan
10. Tom Izzo
9. Sean Miller
8. Bill Self
7. John Beilein
6. Mark Few
5. Coach K
4. Roy Williams
3. Cal
2. Tony Bennett
1. Jay Wright

Now, out of all these coaches, you would have to exclude our coach, the about to retire coaches, and about to be in trouble by the NCAA coaches. That leaves you with Beard, Stevens, Donavon, Izzo, Few, Bennett, and Wright.
Which one of these coaches would leave their existing positions, could do a better job, and win a title every 8 years? (Unless there is somebody else I missed)
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lol. Which coach is less than .500 over the last 5 years against the Top 25?
 
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hoggwildcat said:
All you I want to fire or last five year people, here is a list of top 13 coaches in the last 10 years
13. Chris Beard
12. Brad Steven's
11. Billy Donavan
10. Tom Izzo
9. Sean Miller
8. Bill Self
7. John Beilein
6. Mark Few
5. Coach K
4. Roy Williams
3. Cal
2. Tony Bennett
1. Jay Wright

Now, out of all these coaches, you would have to exclude our coach, the about to retire coaches, and about to be in trouble by the NCAA coaches. That leaves you with Beard, Stevens, Donavon, Izzo, Few, Bennett, and Wright.
Which one of these coaches would leave their existing positions, could do a better job, and win a title every 8 years? (Unless there is somebody else I missed)
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You don't believe that there are quite a number of coaches not even on that list who could go 22-23 (48.9%) against the Top 25 given Kentucky's resources, name recognition and tradition (to attract recruits)?

We're talking winning about 1/2 the games you play against the Top 25.

Is that such a high of threshold that only a HOF coach could accomplish winning 50% against the Top 25 at Kentucky?
 
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Kentuckiddy

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UkCat11 said:
You guys have allowed one bad season to overtake all of the good that Cal has brought to Uk. All of the elite players that have ran through this program with KP and WWW being Cal's wingmen. I'm not advocating for people to be sunshine pumpers and act like this is acceptable at Uk, but some of you are showing your true identity in wanting instant gratification and think you're entitled to greatness every single season and every single game.

I'm not saying we shouldn't want to win every single game, obviously we should, but I'm rather talking to the one's who want Cal fired after all of the good he has done for us by simply pushing that aside and thinking only in the present.

Now, could my opinion change if next season is worse or the same? Yes. It will start to change, but even then 2 bad seasons doesn't equate to being fired with the milestones and achievements he has accomplished here thus far.

I do feel like we are beginning to see his true inability to coach late game situations. We don't have the talent to bail us out late game when things are not going our way. That is certainly something Cal could improve on. Especially with the talent coming in next year not looking outstanding. That is something he will have to change because right now other coaches are coaching circles around him in the final 8 minutes. I think part of that is the absence of Kenny Payne. I do think he did a lot, or suggested a lot of the in-game adjustments.

Overall, the same ones who want him fired are the same ones who would be calling him the GOAT if we won out from here. It all comes down to entitlement. It seems like some of your lives depend on Uk winning or losing.

Obviously he has said a lot of stupid crap this season and has handled the Allen situation poorly, but after the first few games, Allen looks very one-dimensional. He can shoot, and then what? He certainly can't play defense.

Anyways, those are my thoughts. Some of ya'll need to look in the mirror, lol. I'm no sunshine pumper by any means, and the season we are having is beyond horrible, but it is completely unreasonable and rather selfish to want Cal fired after this season when he has brought a lot of us our greatest moments.
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I literally stopped reading at “one bad season”.

You are either blind, not smart or do not know BB. Maybe it’s all three.
 
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HagginHall1999

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catben said:
K-Fund, TV ratings money and Merchandise sales ALL from UK Fans contribute to Cal's contract. So YES, UK fans do foot the bill.
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John Calipari – Kentucky

Total Compensation: $8,040,000
Additional Compensation: Retention of net income from basketball camps after payment of appropriate expenses
Notes: $400,000 in base salary, $7.6 million in media and endorsements, $40,000 contributed to retirement benefits
Max Bonus: $50,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 75% of remaining $86 million in base salary and media and endorsements payment (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: None
Contract Term Ends: June 30, 2029


 
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richbrookstomato

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HagginHall1999 said:
John Calipari – Kentucky

Total Compensation: $8,040,000
Additional Compensation: Retention of net income from basketball camps after payment of appropriate expenses
Notes: $400,000 in base salary, $7.6 million in media and endorsements, $40,000 contributed to retirement benefits
Max Bonus: $50,000
Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 75% of remaining $86 million in base salary and media and endorsements payment (includes 2019-20 compensation)
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: None
Contract Term Ends: June 30, 2029


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Media and endorsements=UK fans contributions
 
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UkCat11 said:
You guys have allowed one bad season to overtake all of the good that Cal has brought to Uk. All of the elite players that have ran through this program with KP and WWW being Cal's wingmen. I'm not advocating for people to be sunshine pumpers and act like this is acceptable at Uk, but some of you are showing your true identity in wanting instant gratification and think you're entitled to greatness every single season and every single game.

I'm not saying we shouldn't want to win every single game, obviously we should, but I'm rather talking to the one's who want Cal fired after all of the good he has done for us by simply pushing that aside and thinking only in the present.

Now, could my opinion change if next season is worse or the same? Yes. It will start to change, but even then 2 bad seasons doesn't equate to being fired with the milestones and achievements he has accomplished here thus far.

I do feel like we are beginning to see his true inability to coach late game situations. We don't have the talent to bail us out late game when things are not going our way. That is certainly something Cal could improve on. Especially with the talent coming in next year not looking outstanding. That is something he will have to change because right now other coaches are coaching circles around him in the final 8 minutes. I think part of that is the absence of Kenny Payne. I do think he did a lot, or suggested a lot of the in-game adjustments.

Overall, the same ones who want him fired are the same ones who would be calling him the GOAT if we won out from here. It all comes down to entitlement. It seems like some of your lives depend on Uk winning or losing.

Obviously he has said a lot of stupid crap this season and has handled the Allen situation poorly, but after the first few games, Allen looks very one-dimensional. He can shoot, and then what? He certainly can't play defense.

Anyways, those are my thoughts. Some of ya'll need to look in the mirror, lol. I'm no sunshine pumper by any means, and the season we are having is beyond horrible, but it is completely unreasonable and rather selfish to want Cal fired after this season when he has brought a lot of us our greatest moments.
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that first five years with www as cal wing man was great but without him slowly going down
till rock bottom.
 
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HerrosHeroes

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SuporChin said:
The constant whining and entitlement from this crowd is obnoxious.
How many other coaches had down years before lighting up the tournament later on? Look at Jay Wright. He went to a final four and then his program fell apart for a while before winning two rings. UNC completely cratered last season while under the direction of a 3 x champion.
But sure our HoF coach is so terrible that he needs to be fired.
In case your forgot, people were wondering if we should fire Cal back in 2013. Two years later his team was two games and a corrupt ref away from being undefeated.
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and a step back 3, cant forget the infamous step back.
 
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