News Flash This Season Is Not The Problem

seccats04

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Dec 6, 2004
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Dude you act as if auburn was at a disadvantage by not having this kid. It's probably the sole reason the game was even close. If they had their complete lineup the 2 guards wouldn't have had to be so much of a factor and we would have dominated like we did all year against them. Those kids were playing for him. That argument is like saying we've had more 5star recruits, we should have 4 titles. Doesn't hold much weight.

Just another lame attempt to bash a solid season
Too bad we're not playing harder and better without Clarke.
 

Short-Dawg-69

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OP
I like your post and the way you brought it to the table for a civil discussion. Very well written and put IMO.

I am still a Cal fan and don't want his to leave just yet but your points are very much true.
Cal needs to look in the mirror and start with the man he is looking at and start with change there first.

No way around it change needs to happen moving forward. Now what that change is going to be is still undetermined.
 

know1

Heisman
Dec 8, 2002
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14,925
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This post is on target. That's why I've been saying we need a change for 3 years now. It's not about our record this year and it's definitely not about starting lineups.

My fear was always that we'd get used to mediocrity and it's happening. Sure, we're not used to a losing record, but I think we've become much more used to not dominating like we did in the past. I remember being extremely disappointed and upset when we'd have an 8 seed and maybe not make it out of the Sweet 16. These days, that's almost becoming the norm.

Coach Cal either needs to make one of the most dramatic changes in history and start recruiting and building with a focus on UK's success and coaching to win every game and every situation or he needs to go. We simply cannot rely on pretty good freshman who have to survive with very little coaching. Players first needs to be thrown out the window and repeatedly backed over.
 

Trinity45

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This season was supposed to be the solution.

We’ve gotten mediocre results from every season since our 2015 run. Nothing to add to that but ifs and buts.

This season was supposed to be a long fast athletic team of skilled players and distributed decent shooting (due to Cal’ supposedly recruiting shooters now) with two top 10 wings to give us back those Wall/Cousins cheat code powers and a Nick Richards upgrade (Sarr) and a poor man’s Anthony Davis (Jackson) inside just to guarantee no one else even had a chance against us because that’s the break we deserved after five straight years of expensive ******** results.

It doesn’t matter how many ways you justify this team being bad. This teamed needed to be more than just not bad. This team NEEDED to be extra good for a reason. Because there was ALREADY a problem.

Now the cure turns out to be much worse than the disease in terms of:

—Actual player college basketball skills
—Offensive scheme
—Substitution patterns
—Kenny Payne leaving
—Partisan politics coming at us from our head coach

With few indications any of those particular things are likely to get better going forward.

That’s why so many people are so mad.

It’s really not just about us sucking this year. You can stop trying so hard to justify us sucking this year. We sucked in 2013 and everyone was 100% behind Cal just unhappy about the single season. This situation is not that. At all. This situation is different. Much different.

I was listening to a local sports radio program in Owensboro, and he summed it up well, in the past Cal has had enough talent to overcome his crappy antiquated offense and still score, this season there is not enough one on one talent to overcome this antiquated crappy offense Cal runs. And the only reason the won a title in 2012 was they had a team that bought in to doing what ever it took to win.
 

nssdigitalchumps

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Cushions the blow? I just want what is best for UK. There is no cushion to me...this doesn't hurt me, it is a game, I am a fan, Alumni. I am a Bengals and Reds fan my man, I am ironclad.

Right? I don’t understand (and yes, I’m an alumni twice over) how a season like this ruins the lives of all these folks who are on this board. It is a bad year. We have young kids trying to get in the groove of CBB. It really isn’t a big deal. It really isn’t a BIG deal. The likelihood of this type of season repeating over the next 10 years is less than a 10% chance.

Bad years are a RARE thing at this place. And despite popular belief that Cal has been nose-diving this program, I still haven’t gotten the season by season breakdown to prove that Cal was on a downward swing for the last six years. It might actually hurt narratives. Who knows? Honestly, I don’t care. Lol

Anyway, I digress. Some of you need to take a break from screaming at the wall that says nothing back, go hug your love ones, thank God every day that you’re alive during this pandemic, and come back to support a team that needs your support and less of your gripe. We are all stressed, we are all edgy because of trying to beat Covid, and we need more support than we need to be a-holes.

This message provided by Generation X — a generation that would just like to see people treat each other kindly, but in hindsight doesn’t care.
 
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Panthur

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Aug 5, 2008
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Right? I don’t understand (and yes, I’m an alumni twice over) how a season like this ruins the lives of all these folks who are on this board. It is a bad year. We have young kids trying to get in the groove of CBB. It really isn’t a big deal. It really isn’t a BIG deal. The likelihood of this type of season repeating over the next 10 years is less than a 10% chance.

Bad years are a RARE thing at this place. And despite popular belief that Cal has been nose-diving this program, I still haven’t gotten the season by season breakdown to prove that Cal was on a downward swing for the last six years. It might actually hurt narratives. Who knows? Honestly, I don’t care. Lol

Anyway, I digress. Some of you need to take a break from screaming at the wall that says nothing back, go hug your love ones, thank God every day that you’re alive during this pandemic, and come back to support a team that needs your support and less of your gripe. We are all stressed, we are all edgy because of trying to beat Covid, and we need more support than we need to be a-holes.

This message provided by Generation X — a generation that would just like to see people treat each other kindly, but in hindsight doesn’t care.
I’m Gen X and if you think this season is ruining most people’s lives you are being delusional. People are just saying what they think and you’re the guys going emo over it.
 
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TheWyldKat_rivals45219

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This season was supposed to be the solution.

We’ve gotten mediocre results from every season since our 2015 run. Nothing to add to that but ifs and buts.

This season was supposed to be a long fast athletic team of skilled players and distributed decent shooting (due to Cal’ supposedly recruiting shooters now) with two top 10 wings to give us back those Wall/Cousins cheat code powers and a Nick Richards upgrade (Sarr) and a poor man’s Anthony Davis (Jackson) inside just to guarantee no one else even had a chance against us because that’s the break we deserved after five straight years of expensive ******** results.

It doesn’t matter how many ways you justify this team being bad. This teamed needed to be more than just not bad. This team NEEDED to be extra good for a reason. Because there was ALREADY a problem.

Now the cure turns out to be much worse than the disease in terms of:

—Actual player college basketball skills
—Offensive scheme
—Substitution patterns
—Kenny Payne leaving
—Partisan politics coming at us from our head coach

With few indications any of those particular things are likely to get better going forward.

That’s why so many people are so mad.

It’s really not just about us sucking this year. You can stop trying so hard to justify us sucking this year. We sucked in 2013 and everyone was 100% behind Cal just unhappy about the single season. This situation is not that. At all. This situation is different. Much different.
Just to be fair the last NCAA tournament we reach the elite eight. Last season we won the league by three games and we’re position for a nice run in the tournament. It’s not been as bad as you claim. I agree this season Has been a nightmare. No doubt about it.
 

KentuckyCat420

Heisman
Sep 16, 2006
39,157
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You do realize that 8 of 17 of our FFs have occurred in the past 18 seasons right? There is no rhyme or reason to our average, they are comprised of epic runs.

12 of our 17 Final Fours have come in 5-6 year runs in different decades...

Rupp 42-51/ 4
Pitino Tubby 93-98/ 4
Cal 11-15/4

The other 5 are gapped FF's...there is no pattern other than what is described above.
Keep harping on what Cal did in his UK hay day and ignoring the fact that he’ll never sniff those types of results again under the program’s current structure.
 

FrankUnderwood

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May 26, 2017
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They all know this too. Just part of their whining n makes them feel better.


This is such a stupid comment.

Yeah, that’s it. People just like to whine lol. You’ve been presented with a plethora of facts as to why people are unsatisfied yet you continue to evade and point blame at the fans.

Next year when we are barely average, or go 18-13 you’ll be the first one to say “derp derp Cal is rolling again! Just wait till next year!”

You’ve admitted several times you’re a Cal fan first. You stand up for him despite results for other reasons. Dumb reasons. Beta male reasons.

With that being the case, can you please explain what Cals offense has been this year? Specifically I mean. What offensive schemes and sets stand out to you? What Offense did he run last year or overall?
 

willievic

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You do realize that 8 of 17 of our FFs have occurred in the past 18 seasons right? There is no rhyme or reason to our average, they are comprised of epic runs.

12 of our 17 Final Fours have come in 5-6 year runs in different decades...

Rupp 42-51/ 4
Pitino Tubby 93-98/ 4
Cal 11-15/4

The other 5 are gapped FF's...there is no pattern other than what is described above.

I can tell you what no other coach in my lifetime had, and that is a LOSING RECORD. Cal has set a lot of record, but the wrong kind. First Coach at UK to take a knee. We have the tail wagging the dog. The man will do anything to recruit, and that has been proven in the past, with wins taken away from him at two different schools. I know, like all coaches, he's innocent.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 
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wildcat111

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This season was supposed to be the solution.

We’ve gotten mediocre results from every season since our 2015 run. Nothing to add to that but ifs and buts.

This season was supposed to be a long fast athletic team of skilled players and distributed decent shooting (due to Cal’ supposedly recruiting shooters now) with two top 10 wings to give us back those Wall/Cousins cheat code powers and a Nick Richards upgrade (Sarr) and a poor man’s Anthony Davis (Jackson) inside just to guarantee no one else even had a chance against us because that’s the break we deserved after five straight years of expensive ******** results.

It doesn’t matter how many ways you justify this team being bad. This teamed needed to be more than just not bad. This team NEEDED to be extra good for a reason. Because there was ALREADY a problem.

Now the cure turns out to be much worse than the disease in terms of:

—Actual player college basketball skills
—Offensive scheme
—Substitution patterns
—Kenny Payne leaving
—Partisan politics coming at us from our head coach

With few indications any of those particular things are likely to get better going forward.

That’s why so many people are so mad.

It’s really not just about us sucking this year. You can stop trying so hard to justify us sucking this year. We sucked in 2013 and everyone was 100% behind Cal just unhappy about the single season. This situation is not that. At all. This situation is different. Much different.
Excellent point....this program has been in a downward spiral for 5 years with little hope of a rebound under Cal.
 

TBCat

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Mar 30, 2007
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Just saying. It’s hard to win a title man. Ncaa tourney is ruthless
Then don't create a situation where you are hanging your season's success on winning the NCAA tournament. When you build a team with the presumption that we will suck badly in November, get stomped embarrassingly Duke, lose to teams like Evansville in December, lose 6 or 7 SEC games in January, but by March we will be good. Well if that's your design then you can't lose to UNC by a jumper at the end because what else have you accomplished.

This is Kentucky. It's not Notre Dame basketball. You really want to be prepared to start the season in November. Sucking until March is not how you coach here.

And we didn't really have a shot last year. That team could be good at times but it had it's share of head case games as well. It was just a question of which round would we have one. That team did not have the look of a championship team though.
 

HunterMcClintock

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Dec 13, 2009
38
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Then don't create a situation where you are hanging your season's success on winning the NCAA tournament. When you build a team with the presumption that we will suck badly in November, get stomped embarrassingly Duke, lose to teams like Evansville in December, lose 6 or 7 SEC games in January, but by March we will be good. Well if that's your design then you can't lose to UNC by a jumper at the end because what else have you accomplished.

This is Kentucky. It's not Notre Dame basketball. You really want to be prepared to start the season in November. Sucking until March is not how you coach here.

And we didn't really have a shot last year. That team could be good at times but it had it's share of head case games as well. It was just a question of which round would we have one. That team did not have the look of a championship team though.
It was a down year last year. I thought we had as much talent as anyone and was excited to see Maxey and Quickley go off in the tourney
 
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This season was supposed to be the solution.

We’ve gotten mediocre results from every season since our 2015 run. Nothing to add to that but ifs and buts.

This season was supposed to be a long fast athletic team of skilled players and distributed decent shooting (due to Cal’ supposedly recruiting shooters now) with two top 10 wings to give us back those Wall/Cousins cheat code powers and a Nick Richards upgrade (Sarr) and a poor man’s Anthony Davis (Jackson) inside just to guarantee no one else even had a chance against us because that’s the break we deserved after five straight years of expensive ******** results.

It doesn’t matter how many ways you justify this team being bad. This teamed needed to be more than just not bad. This team NEEDED to be extra good for a reason. Because there was ALREADY a problem.

Now the cure turns out to be much worse than the disease in terms of:

—Actual player college basketball skills
—Offensive scheme
—Substitution patterns
—Kenny Payne leaving
—Partisan politics coming at us from our head coach

With few indications any of those particular things are likely to get better going forward.

That’s why so many people are so mad.

It’s really not just about us sucking this year. You can stop trying so hard to justify us sucking this year. We sucked in 2013 and everyone was 100% behind Cal just unhappy about the single season. This situation is not that. At all. This situation is different. Much different.
You get my vote for President of Rupp Rafters . . . No joke! Absolutely beautiful post!

 

TortElvisII

Heisman
May 7, 2010
51,700
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This season was supposed to be the solution.

We’ve gotten mediocre results from every season since our 2015 run. Nothing to add to that but ifs and buts.

This season was supposed to be a long fast athletic team of skilled players and distributed decent shooting (due to Cal’ supposedly recruiting shooters now) with two top 10 wings to give us back those Wall/Cousins cheat code powers and a Nick Richards upgrade (Sarr) and a poor man’s Anthony Davis (Jackson) inside just to guarantee no one else even had a chance against us because that’s the break we deserved after five straight years of expensive ******** results.

It doesn’t matter how many ways you justify this team being bad. This teamed needed to be more than just not bad. This team NEEDED to be extra good for a reason. Because there was ALREADY a problem.

Now the cure turns out to be much worse than the disease in terms of:

—Actual player college basketball skills
—Offensive scheme
—Substitution patterns
—Kenny Payne leaving
—Partisan politics coming at us from our head coach

With few indications any of those particular things are likely to get better going forward.

That’s why so many people are so mad.

It’s really not just about us sucking this year. You can stop trying so hard to justify us sucking this year. We sucked in 2013 and everyone was 100% behind Cal just unhappy about the single season. This situation is not that. At all. This situation is different. Much different.

Great post.
 
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HagginHall1999

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I’m Gen X and if you think this season is ruining most people’s lives you are being delusional. People are just saying what they think and you’re the guys going emo over it.

Not saying it is you but there are people who do not leave this board...all they do is moan about the misery all day. I would say it is ruining their life.
 

cats#1again

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Nov 27, 2011
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Then don't create a situation where you are hanging your season's success on winning the NCAA tournament. When you build a team with the presumption that we will suck badly in November, get stomped embarrassingly Duke, lose to teams like Evansville in December, lose 6 or 7 SEC games in January, but by March we will be good. Well if that's your design then you can't lose to UNC by a jumper at the end because what else have you accomplished.

This is Kentucky. It's not Notre Dame basketball. You really want to be prepared to start the season in November. Sucking until March is not how you coach here.

And we didn't really have a shot last year. That team could be good at times but it had it's share of head case games as well. It was just a question of which round would we have one. That team did not have the look of a championship team though.
Last year's team had a great chance at final 4. Guards determine the tournament majority of the time. We had a solid guard group
 

cats#1again

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If you are the Gold Standard it doesn't matter who they put in your bracket. More excuses.
I was referring to him saying they put bad teams in our bracket.
I don't make excuses. I also don't exaggerate things when something doesn't go ny way
 

hotelblue

Heisman
Jul 6, 2006
41,683
13,121
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you counted 2015 to inflate that lol. no, the record is not great. i said before 2015.
 
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