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Cats_2010

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Lol he's Reggie Miller.
I've never seen so many fans on a players sac like Allen before. It really is astonishing.
Make 20 bad plays in a game but he sure can make that 3 pointer shot way out yunder

It’s really not that difficult to understand. Allen is a good player, not great by any means but good abs he is still young and maturing and will only get better. We have a team that is historically bad on offense and Allen is the only player on our team who can consistently hit a 3. Was 4-7 last night. He is endeared even more so because he’s a KY kid coupled with the fact that Cal didn’t even want to play him despite his shooting capabilities. He’s going to make mistakes, made several last night but made 4 threes and had some really good defensive plays as well. If you can’t see we are better with him on the floor than without then I can’t help you.
 

kyjeff1

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In the last 86 minutes that Askew has played, he has scored 5 points and as we know, in the UGA game, he had a ton of turnovers.

Allen had 12 points in the 25 minutes he played last night on 4-7 shooting and 2 more assists.

Yet we have an idiot in here trying to tell people they are nuts for wanting Allen to play more minutes.

Askew can't play in games like this… .yet. Maybe in a couple more years, but not right now, yet he was in the game during crunch time. Not smart
 

FrankUnderwood

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May 26, 2017
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Lol he's Reggie Miller.
I've never seen so many fans on a players sac like Allen before. It really is astonishing.
Make 20 bad plays in a game but he sure can make that 3 pointer shot way out yunder

I don’t see it as them on his sack. More that... the entire team is garbage so why not put Allen in more, especially when he could be useful despite his many mistakes. But totally man, having Askew in down the stretch was a great idea.

Meanwhile you’re massaging Cals taint all the time refusing to see what the rest of us see.
 

BourbonBalz

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I’m not saying Cal doesn’t have some fault, but this team just is not very good. We just don’t have any player that create an advantage against the defense who can then create a shot or draw a double to get others open. Our offense looks like we are just struggling to complete passes like we are trying to run clock. I mean we are still running guys off a pick to catch a ball going away from the basket 5 ft outside of the 3pt line with less than 10 sec on the shot clock.

if we play Alabama ten times they are going to average beating us by 12-15 pts. They are just a better team than us this year.
Who recruited them? Who put this mess together? Who continually refuses to bring in players that can shoot and aren’t just “long athletes”? Who uses an archaic offense? I’ll hang up and listen.
 
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Let's be honest here. While the substitution patterns are bizarre and it makes sense to play your best players especially when the game is on the line, that's not the reason we lost.

We lost because we just aren't good. Even the guys people are begging to get playing time down the stretch.

Did you see what happened in the last four minutes of this game? It wasn't just missed shots. We turned it over a boat load of trips. The same issue we've had since game 1. You could have the best shooters in the world but it doesn't matter if 1) you can't get the shot off which is something some of our players have an issue with (it's like they are afraid to shoot) and 2) you turn it over before you can shoot it.

What I saw down the stretch was one team knowing how to execute and make plays and the other cannot. Just one really good team and one really poor team.
 
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wildcatdon

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I’m not saying Cal doesn’t have some fault, but this team just is not very good. We just don’t have any player that create an advantage against the defense who can then create a shot or draw a double to get others open. Our offense looks like we are just struggling to complete passes like we are trying to run clock. I mean we are still running guys off a pick to catch a ball going away from the basket 5 ft outside of the 3pt line with less than 10 sec on the shot clock.

if we play Alabama ten times they are going to average beating us by 12-15 pts. They are just a better team than us this year.
And who recruited this team? Cal has no one to blame but himself
 
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We turned it over 17 times. 4 of those were Mintz. 3 of those were Allen.

And there lies the problem. The same guys that can make shots and you want to rely on down the stretch are the same ones coughing the ball up.

Frankly this is just a bad team.
 

track42

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Feb 18, 2017
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We turned it over 17 times. 4 of those were Mintz. 3 of those were Allen.

And there lies the problem. The same guys that can make shots and you want to rely on down the stretch are the same ones coughing the ball up.

Frankly this is just a bad team.
Who put this team together and seems to be making them worse?
 

qwesley

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And who recruited this team? Cal has no one to blame but himself
Poor scouting is one thing but what is infuriating is that he is not valuing guard depth overall when the game is centered there these days. No excuse to have such few options.
 
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Who put this team together and seems to be making them worse?

I agree. Listen no one is going to be defending Cal for this season. You can't. He's responsible for putting the team together. He didn't do it this season.

But this notion that oh well we are just playing the wrong people and if we had the right ones in we'd be winning just isn't accurate at all.

There is no "right people" on this team. You got a mixed bag with everyone. Some players do one thing well but are horrible in other areas. And for some reason this team just doesn't mix no matter who you are playing.
 

RKulmer

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In the last 86 minutes that Askew has played, he has scored 5 points and as we know, in the UGA game, he had a ton of turnovers.

Allen had 12 points in the 25 minutes he played last night on 4-7 shooting and 2 more assists.

Yet we have an idiot in here trying to tell people they are nuts for wanting Allen to play more minutes.

Askew can't play in games like this… .yet. Maybe in a couple more years, but not right now, yet he was in the game during crunch time. Not smart

Cal's in-game decision have led me to believe he has given up on this season and giving some players "on-the-job" training (such as Askew), in an attempt to get them drafted. It really seems to be Cal's #1 goal and I never would have said that til now.
 
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Bigblueamyou

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The stupid in this post burns incredibly hot! LOL. So he missed A shot? Good thing none of our other players miss a shot. Oh wait! They rarely ever make one.
Dude don’t get your panties in a wad,he missed a crucial 3 that’s all I said.
 

Eastkybball

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Allen passed up a handful of open shots and doesn’t work to get open.
Are we still acting like he’s the savior of the season?
 
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Cal's in-game decision have led me to believe he has given up on this season and giving some players "on-the-job" training (such as Askew), in an attempt to get them drafted. It really seems to be Cal's #1 goal and I never would have said that til now.
He will never get Askew drafted
 
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Allen passed up a handful of open shots and doesn’t work to get open.
Are we still acting like he’s the savior of the season?

Pretty soon Allen will get shifted to Fletcher and people will be saying that he needs to play and that's the savior of our season. Until he comes in and produces about the same as everyone else and then we are saying well just wait until Clarke gets better and comes back into the team.

And maybe by the end of all of this we will just realize that this team as a whole isn't very good.
 
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bookerfan66

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Pretty soon Allen will get shifted to Fletcher and people will be saying that he needs to play and that's the savior of our season. Until he comes in and produces about the same as everyone else and then we are saying well just wait until Clarke gets better and comes back into the team.

And maybe by the end of all of this we will just realize that this team as a whole isn't very good.
And next season isn't looking much better if you want to be honest.
 

Eastkybball

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Name one person who said Allen was our savior?Nothing is going to be different until Cal adapts or leaves.
I didn’t quote anyone did I?
A man would’ve thought Allen was the turn around to the season after his break out game according to this board. He could’ve hit at least 2 of those 5 shots he passed up.
 

kyjeff1

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Let's be honest here. While the substitution patterns are bizarre and it makes sense to play your best players especially when the game is on the line, that's not the reason we lost.

We lost because we just aren't good. Even the guys people are begging to get playing time down the stretch.


Did you see what happened in the last four minutes of this game? It wasn't just missed shots. We turned it over a boat load of trips. The same issue we've had since game 1. You could have the best shooters in the world but it doesn't matter if 1) you can't get the shot off which is something some of our players have an issue with (it's like they are afraid to shoot) and 2) you turn it over before you can shoot it.

What I saw down the stretch was one team knowing how to execute and make plays and the other cannot. Just one really good team and one really poor team.
This isn't true. If we were good enough to take the lead at the 4 minute mark of the 2nd half, we were good enough to win the game.
We missed shots and turned the ball over several times during the game, but the guys fought back and took the lead several times, if you can do that, you can win.
But you aren't going to win too many games with the lineup Cal had in at the end of the game. THAT is a total head scratcher.
 

kyjeff1

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We turned it over 17 times. 4 of those were Mintz. 3 of those were Allen.

And there lies the problem. The same guys that can make shots and you want to rely on down the stretch are the same ones coughing the ball up.

Frankly this is just a bad team.
But they handle the ball more than everyone else and those two players are a huge reason why they were in a position to win the game.

I don’t understand how anyone can knock Mintz or Allen for their play last night. Both guys were + on the night.
 
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This isn't true. If we were good enough to take the lead at the 4 minute mark of the 2nd half, we were good enough to win the game.
We missed shots and turned the ball over several times during the game, but the guys fought back and took the lead several times, if you can do that, you can win.
But you aren't going to win too many games with the lineup Cal had in at the end of the game. THAT is a total head scratcher.

TBH it didn't matter much to me who we had in this game at the end. We've been in so many close games this season and for the most part have not executed down the stretch of any of them (except maybe Miss St.). A small lead on the road against a ranked Alabama team didn't really give me much confidence we'd close the deal on that one.

It's still no excuse to not run out you're best players. That is very much on the coach.

But I'm not really seeing ANY lineup on this team capable of making plays in crunch time. Heck even though we were leading in parts of this game, the offense even up to that point didn't give me any confidence they'd make buckets when they had to.

I do think there's a difference tho between the first 35 minutes of a game and the last 5. Good teams execute down the stretch. Alabama ramped up their D and forced a bunch of turnovers at the end. We didn't execute at all. The missed shots, the turnovers............even the defense which played well for the most part last night but the foul trouble put them on the line so much and they made their free throws.

I don't believe this team executes whether Mintz or Allen were in there or not.
 

jc2010

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But they handle the ball more than everyone else and those two players are a huge reason why they were in a position to win the game.

I don’t understand how anyone can knock Mintz or Allen for their play last night. Both guys were + on the night.
Where can I find the +/- for each game?
 

Tapemaster8

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Feb 9, 2003
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He missed a crucial 3 when you could have went up 5.
Missed shots isn't the problem the number of shots we take are. We play the grind it out game way too much. This team need to run, because they don't have the ability to get the ball inside in a set offense. When we get it inside and get a little bump we can't finish through the contact. Yes Allen missed a crucial shot, plenty of great players miss game winning shots, no one makes them all!
 

Backer cutter

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Cal's in-game decision have led me to believe he has given up on this season and giving some players "on-the-job" training (such as Askew), in an attempt to get them drafted. It really seems to be Cal's #1 goal and I never would have said that til now.
It’s always been his number one goal. Nothings changed, except his recruiting. Bunch of blind squirrels around here.