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Allen lovers?Jesus something is wrong when you can defend a millionaire coach but mock someone rooting for a kid from KY.
Well, you obviously know even less about football than basketball if you think that's what Gran did last year.
You people aren't rooting for him.
I root for him. By year 3 I believe he could be a 6-8 point contributor.
Pretending a coach knows less than you and insinuating he's being picked on is the "something wrong"
Anything that has “Kentucky sports radio” attached to it is a no click for me. Sorry.
Small set huh, you're out of your limited mind.
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Lol he proved it this year. That's all gran ever does. Run kid.
If he was that great with a wr at qb just imagine how genius he could be with a qb
Except he wasn't. Last year was 90% Bowden and most of it was improv
As a constant Cal supporter even I call ********! When you have guys like Clarke playing 16 minutes and not recording a point or a board. The only thing he contributed was 1 TO. Sarr played 22 minutes and recorded 1 point and 1 board to go with 2 TOs. LMFAO Allen is the only guy on the team that doesn't deserve a shot at 1 minute? Weeks back I kept saying WTF is Ware doing in there he isn't ready and then last game it paid off. But it took 5 or so games until it did. Can't Allen get a few minutes here or there? I back Cal and know BB and there is no excuse for it. Against U6 we gave up F-ing layups and scored 59 points. We haven't topped 65 since game 1. Give the guy known as a scored 5 minutes here or there. Honestly, what could it hurt?
Highest paid college basketball coach in the country, has all the resources at UK at his disposal, chooses his entire staff which are mainly all his UMass buddies who are all yes men. I'm sick of fans who try their absolute hardest to make other fans who hate the direction of the program and question the coaches decisions out to be idiots or "divas". Attention fans under the age of 20 Kentucky basketball isn't John Calipari. 4 different head coaches other than him have won titles here. Did he revive the program at a crucial time? Absolutely he did and I applaud and appreciate what he's did here his first 6 7 years. But the man is free game to question and be concerned over in regards to where this program is headed and it's been trending downward since 2015
I don't want Cal to go I am a supporter and often called a sunshine pumper for some reason LOL. Look this article isn't it. Yes Cal and this team are caught in the perfect storm, but Cal has to change some and I love the guy.
Here is what I wrote about that article on another thread, As a constant Cal supporter even I call ********! When you have guys like Clarke playing 16 minutes and not recording a point or a board. The only thing he contributed was 1 TO. Sarr played 22 minutes and recorded 1 point and 1 board to go with 2 TOs. LMFAO Allen is the only guy on the team that doesn't deserve a shot at 1 minute? Weeks back I kept saying WTF is Ware doing in there he isn't ready and then last game it paid off. But it took 5 or so games until it did. Can't Allen get a few minutes here or there? I back Cal and know BB and there is no excuse for it. Against U6 we gave up F-ing layups and scored 59 points. We haven't topped 65 since game 1. Give the guy known as a scored 5 minutes here or there. Honestly, what could it hurt?
We are 1-6 and not eclipsing 65. It is starting to feel like Cal saying no to the fans. I am not saying Allen is the answer to everything, by far, but does he deserve to be the only one not to play yesterday? In 38 minutes Sarr and Clarke recorded 1 point, 1 rebound, and 3 TOs LMFAO. I'd be asking for Brad to get a couple of minutes if he was still here. What the F could it actually hurt?
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Article is bad.
At one point he says having more talent doesn't make it easier to win a given game. LOL, what?!
Then he contradicts it by saying x's and o'x don't make up for a lack of Jimmy's and Joes--or talented players.
Olivier Sarr was set to be an All-American. He was tearing it up in the ACC. He played against high major competition. And now you'd barely notice he's in hte game. Has he regressed? Has he not figured out how to play here? At some point, that's on the coaching staff.
Boston and Clarke were top 10 recruits. We're not dealing with a simple--"they're not there yet." They can't play basic basketball. They can't play as part of an offense.
For 10+ years, we've forgiven the lack of set plays. We've forgiven the lack of inbounds plays. We've forgiven the bad free throw shooting. We've forgiven the bad three point shooting. We've forgiven a lot in the name of winning. When you stop winning, the things you don't do well matter.
And Cal set the standards. Cal said we're the gold standard--not some BBN fan boy on Rupp Rafters.
Cal said we could catch UCLA.
Cal said we could go 40-0.
Cal said he wanted to win a national title with 5 freshmen.
If you say we're the gold standard--then there's going to be hell when the "gold standard" is 1-6.
At one point he says having more talent doesn't make it easier to win a given game. LOL, what?!
Then he contradicts it by saying x's and o'x don't make up for a lack of Jimmy's and Joes--or talented players.
Olivier Sarr was set to be an All-American. He was tearing it up in the ACC. He played against high major competition. And now you'd barely notice he's in hte game. Has he regressed? Has he not figured out how to play here? At some point, that's on the coaching staff.
Boston and Clarke were top 10 recruits. We're not dealing with a simple--"they're not there yet." They can't play basic basketball. They can't play as part of an offense.
For 10+ years, we've forgiven the lack of set plays. We've forgiven the lack of inbounds plays. We've forgiven the bad free throw shooting. We've forgiven the bad three point shooting. We've forgiven a lot in the name of winning. When you stop winning, the things you don't do well matter.
And Cal set the standards. Cal said we're the gold standard--not some BBN fan boy on Rupp Rafters.
Cal said we could catch UCLA.
Cal said we could go 40-0.
Cal said he wanted to win a national title with 5 freshmen.
If you say we're the gold standard--then there's going to be hell when the "gold standard" is 1-6.
"If Dontaie Allen went 4-23 in three-point attempts, he would still have a better three-point percentage than Brandon Boston."
Best quote of the night!
Best quote of the night!
The article defends Cal and explains why it's ok.
Cal told us what the expectations should be. He told us from day 1. We're the gold standard of college basketball. Not my words. Not my expectations. Those are John Calipari's expectations. Are we living up to that? Are we even the Bronze standard right now?
He's here because he can recruit the best of the best. Where are they? Our best recruits look like they've never played a minute of organized basketball.
He wants to go 40-0 because they say it can't be done. I'd love to be 4-2. But Cal thinks undefeated can be done. Not my crazy expectation. Not my words. His.
Cal would like to catch UCLA's championships before he retires. Not my ask. Not the bar I set. No, he set it.
And instead...we're 1-6. But rah rah rah, Cal always has 'em ready come March. But what are we going to be ready for? The NIT? Maybe we'll be a 12 seed and upset the 5 seed. That's what we talked about at Kentucky in 2020--being a 12 seed that hopefully surprised a 5 seed.
Cal doesn't need defending from me. He's not failing to live up to my expectations. He's failing to live up to his own.
On one level, it almost feels like Cal wants to leave. But let’s be real: no NBA team would touch him with a ten foot pole. The future of the NBA coach are x and o nerds and they are excellent. Consider the two teams in the. ha finals and I’ll rest my case on that front. No NBA team is looking for a coach who’s claim to fame is reciting (and waning dramatically) and who posts videos oh himself riding a segueway on Instagram. Nor sure how KD would “vibe” with that. And what blue blood programs would touch him? Let’s see: not Kansas, not Duke, not UNC, not UCLA (now), not Mich State abd certainly not the Zags. Coach Cal could maybe do USC or a fringe B team looking to make a splash up but none of the power teams will be down. So good news? He’s around. We can all stop sweating it. Yup
The fallacy in the article lies very near to its beginning. The author writes: "Every coaching staff has a plan to beat you. Every team has talented players. Obviously, there are levels to it, and we would expect Kentucky to ALWAYS be at the top level, but that doesn’t make any given game easier."
That statement is just patently ridiculous. If you have the best players, it's "easier" for you to win. That's the reason Calipari has had success at Kentucky - he's always had the best players. Now he doesn't, and U.K. is 1-6.
That statement is just patently ridiculous. If you have the best players, it's "easier" for you to win. That's the reason Calipari has had success at Kentucky - he's always had the best players. Now he doesn't, and U.K. is 1-6.
How can all our players suck, when Cal stated, “we must have a season, because I have a really good team!” He said that repeatedly. He was as excited about this team as I’ve even seen him during the off-season. I know y’all remember that. What the hell happened?!
Great read. Cal haters still going to hate. They have an agenda and nothing is going to change their mind. They pleasure in bitching, hating, berating, being miserable, and they want everyone else to join their world. They’ve all coached D1 basketball in their small little world. They know the answer to every problem and post their wisdom for the entire world to see. Your post is falling on deaf ears and does not follow their agenda. If threads aren’t negative or not about why Cal should be fired they attack you. It’s just what they do, because they love being miserable and want everyone else to be miserable. Posting another prospective is futile, because it goes against what they learned as a D1 coach.
The article makes a lot of sense, if you read it with an open mind. Problem is that is impossible for the haters. They have tunnel vision and only believe what fits their agenda. If the team improves they will slowly come back to the light or cease to exist.
Stupid article, probably written by Cal. Or maybe his wife. All the excuses doesn’t negate the fact that The University of Kentucky men’s basketball team is 1-6..........
No excuse in the world can justify that .
The author needs to try again.
Hey OP , don’t address 60-70% of the tens of thousands of BBN as morons and someone might listen to your opinion . What an arrogant approach. The opinion that Cal deserves some time , another year or so is valid . It’s a hell of a gamble seeing as how he said he’s entrenched and not changing . Not enough recruits coming in to change much . We will hit the transfer pot and hope the right guys are available and they might come here ... but the shine is fading fast , why would they want to come here ?
Honestly I hadnt read the article , so I did , that’s hot garbage . Could have been written by Bassfan , the last guy here still clinging to the past .
We are not Cal haters. We are program lovers that hate where Cal has taking OUR PROGRAM! This didn't just happen. The program has been trending this way with the culture Cal has created here. We want to be a BASKETBALL PROGRAM again, not a 6 month NBA TRAINING CAMP from year to year! Cal has said he will not change, and he will stay the course. Well if you stay the course that got you here, that course will only keep you here. If Cal wants to stay he has to change course, or we the Fans have to DEMAND CHANGE! We are not the University of Calapari. We are The University of Kentucky, and we DEMAND to have OUR BASKETBALL PROGRAM BACK, with or with out Cal!!
And doing so with a username suggesting an affiliation with Christianity. And potentially affiliated with an equally condescending individual by the name of John MacArthur, whose ministry is called “Grace to you.”
very astute and correct . Well done . The OP , to the best of my memory , has been a really good poster . He needs a mulligan badly on this one .
The problems with this team started the second 4 guys jumped because we have an NBA first culture. Hagans, EJ, IQ and Richards should still be here. Juzang transferred because he got sick of Cal playing favorites and he saw more draft pick boys coming in. He would be parked next to Allen all year.
Yeah, I get it, Richards and IQ got drafted, but clearly Cal did his salesman crap to make that happen. There are 50 kids that are better players than those two guys that came back to college, because the programs they play for value the program, not draft pick numbers.
The article in the OP is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Cal created these problems and now he's being exposed for the below average coach that he is.
Yeah, I get it, Richards and IQ got drafted, but clearly Cal did his salesman crap to make that happen. There are 50 kids that are better players than those two guys that came back to college, because the programs they play for value the program, not draft pick numbers.
The article in the OP is nothing but a bunch of excuses. Cal created these problems and now he's being exposed for the below average coach that he is.
The way a team plays as a whole determines its success. You may have the greatest bunch of individual stars in the world, but if they don't play together, the club won't be worth a dime. Babe Ruth.
Yeah that article did not impress, me, first telling me he was a coach, well la de da, I coached for 26 years, middle school, high school some D-2 as an assistant, and I can see why this guy is not coaching anymore.
It’s coming from the same site that basically guaranteed this was a final four team all offseason, so take that for what it’s worth. That site and Jones ‘inside info’ are getting less and less credible every year. Not that they were that credible to begin with.
The problem being that although these young guys need time, they still won’t stay here to get the experience needed. They either leave or are pushed out to make room for the next batch of the very same. Kids nowadays are rated on how they dunk a ball. No emphasis on the fundamentals of the game. They know nothing about screening, boxing out, positioning or playing defense. They are drafted based on potential. I’m tired of the process. I’ve said it before, I want my GD team back. I want titles, and most of all I want a GD coach that respects us fans, not mock us. News flash for any coach that comes here, the fans can make you or if you poke the bear, they can break you, no matter how big your ego might be.
He said nothing about planning and managing rosters. Or, to be more precise, mismanaging them from year to year.
Roster turnover, which Cal does BY DESIGN, is killing us. He says it's not Cal's fault our top three aren't performing to expectations. Well who puts together rosters that rely completely on new unproven players every year?
Roster turnover, which Cal does BY DESIGN, is killing us. He says it's not Cal's fault our top three aren't performing to expectations. Well who puts together rosters that rely completely on new unproven players every year?
Stupid article especially the part of Allen being a “B” recruit. Let’s say this is true although it’s not.
But let’s roll with it. The current freshman class would have “A” recruits of Boston, Clarke, and maybe Askew.
The “B” recruits would be Ware, Fletcher, and Jackson(whom turned out better than expected) but was still a “B” recruit
Even in this scenario the only “B” recruit not getting an opportunity is Allen
But let’s roll with it. The current freshman class would have “A” recruits of Boston, Clarke, and maybe Askew.
The “B” recruits would be Ware, Fletcher, and Jackson(whom turned out better than expected) but was still a “B” recruit
Even in this scenario the only “B” recruit not getting an opportunity is Allen
I see the article as a legitimate opinion. But, again it is an opinion and because the individual is a former assistant coach doesn't make that opinion correct or incorrect. My first issue is about Kansas, If you watched that game congratulations as to me it was almost unwatchable on how bad both teams offenses were performing. However, since then Kansas had improved and we have not. Second issue is forgetting about Georgia Tech. That is a terrible team with a lousy coach and they kicked our butts with seemingly little adjustment during the game by Kentucky's coaching staff. We also made Richmond look like a top 20 team which they are not.
I think the issues of concern for many fans is long-term with flaws that we all knew existed now becoming glaring obvious this season. Cal is a great recruiter but an average in game coach. Our 5 star recruits unless they are top 5 might play well by season's end but only enough to get drafted and then flourish a year or two later in the NBA rather than at Kentucky.
No matter what side of the opinion you may have the proof is in outcome where we have had several seasons of losses in the tourney to teams that had stars injured and not on par with Kentucky. We have witnesses the same defensive challenges with average opposing guards being able to drive easily to the basket because Anthony Davis and KAT are not there to block shots and no adjustments made for that reality. With the exception of one or two seasons, we have seen shocking losses early on to bad teams kind of removing that luster of the elite program that Kentucky historically had been achieved.
Overall, I think Cal remains the best coaching option for Kentucky if he shows some willingness to make the obvious changes. If not, then sadly expect more seasons of the same. By the end of the year we will have a decent team but not a Championship level or one that allows for fans to have that Kentucky pride.
I think the issues of concern for many fans is long-term with flaws that we all knew existed now becoming glaring obvious this season. Cal is a great recruiter but an average in game coach. Our 5 star recruits unless they are top 5 might play well by season's end but only enough to get drafted and then flourish a year or two later in the NBA rather than at Kentucky.
No matter what side of the opinion you may have the proof is in outcome where we have had several seasons of losses in the tourney to teams that had stars injured and not on par with Kentucky. We have witnesses the same defensive challenges with average opposing guards being able to drive easily to the basket because Anthony Davis and KAT are not there to block shots and no adjustments made for that reality. With the exception of one or two seasons, we have seen shocking losses early on to bad teams kind of removing that luster of the elite program that Kentucky historically had been achieved.
Overall, I think Cal remains the best coaching option for Kentucky if he shows some willingness to make the obvious changes. If not, then sadly expect more seasons of the same. By the end of the year we will have a decent team but not a Championship level or one that allows for fans to have that Kentucky pride.
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Ive said it and I’ll say it again.
We don’t get a lot of basketball players. We get athletes. There’s a point so high up that you run into just as good if not better athletic players. You can’t out athlete people at this level. (Save a few John wall ect).
There comes a point where you have to be able to knock down a shot. If they sag off you’ll just be running into the lane to throw up a off balance low percentage shot.
You have to be able to one dribble pull up and sink the 15-18 footer. You have to be able to knock down a 3 pointer with regularity and allow that to open your driving lanes.
The best driving teams we have had recently was what. Jamal Murray and them because you had Jamal who made everything. Then you had Luis as the point guard who could hit the jumper.
Fix and monk see above.
If you’re no threat to shoot you’re easily guardable. I’m no where close to a athlete that could ever play college ball. But without a single doubt in my mind I can outshoot any of our freshman. ANY OF THEM.
I did play in high school and almost joined the 1k point club (986 points) but I’m not close to a good enough ball player for eastern KY not to mention UK.
We need to quit evaluating athletes and evaluate based on basketball skills. You do have your really good at both and ideally that’s what you want. (Fox, monk, Murray , Ulis ect. Just being a athlete gets you no where in basketball unless you’re more athletic than everyone else.
That’s the problem. Guys like Boston ect have just out done everyone from a athletic standpoint and that is no longer to their advantage
We don’t get a lot of basketball players. We get athletes. There’s a point so high up that you run into just as good if not better athletic players. You can’t out athlete people at this level. (Save a few John wall ect).
There comes a point where you have to be able to knock down a shot. If they sag off you’ll just be running into the lane to throw up a off balance low percentage shot.
You have to be able to one dribble pull up and sink the 15-18 footer. You have to be able to knock down a 3 pointer with regularity and allow that to open your driving lanes.
The best driving teams we have had recently was what. Jamal Murray and them because you had Jamal who made everything. Then you had Luis as the point guard who could hit the jumper.
Fix and monk see above.
If you’re no threat to shoot you’re easily guardable. I’m no where close to a athlete that could ever play college ball. But without a single doubt in my mind I can outshoot any of our freshman. ANY OF THEM.
I did play in high school and almost joined the 1k point club (986 points) but I’m not close to a good enough ball player for eastern KY not to mention UK.
We need to quit evaluating athletes and evaluate based on basketball skills. You do have your really good at both and ideally that’s what you want. (Fox, monk, Murray , Ulis ect. Just being a athlete gets you no where in basketball unless you’re more athletic than everyone else.
That’s the problem. Guys like Boston ect have just out done everyone from a athletic standpoint and that is no longer to their advantage