Maxey at point

cat_in_the_hat

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Makes sense

Sooo

Why dont we ever get the matchups we want when we do it.

That's prolly why the ball stops after we run it ;). They have that stalled look on their face like, "****, that didnt work".. hahaha
Like I said, I'm not convinced that is the real purpose, but it did make me think.
 
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gwjenning

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Cal is more about defense than offense. As long as Hagans is playing decent defense then Cal will not change things up. A missed assignment on defense gets you pulled from the game much faster than a bad shot or a turnover.
Cal likes the rock fights now and focuses on trying to keep the other team from scoring more than we do.
 

cats#1again

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Yes, it was all Fulkerson. He was killing us when we were up 17. The only thing that changed the last 15 minutes is our PG argued with the coach, argued with the center, sent a player to the bench who he wasn’t even supposed to check in for, and proceeded to play like *** and not hustle.
How was he getting steals if he wasn't hustling?
It's blown out of proportion
The reason they came back is because nobody could put a body on fulkerson or get close to stopping any drive he made
 

Uk2k4

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How was he getting steals if he wasn't hustling?
It's blown out of proportion
The reason they came back is because nobody could put a body on fulkerson or get close to stopping any drive he made
There were numerous plays that second half where he was jogging back, arguing with refs, not dropping down to help/rebound. But by all means keep focusing on whatever helps you not believe what u don’t want to.
 

TBCat

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I wonder if Calipari will move Tyrese to point and play Hagans off the ball. I think that would be a really effective game plan moving forward. Maxey has been terrific running point the last couple of games. Let Hagans roam the paint for gaps looking to score or pass.
Hagans isn't a shooter or scorer. You can't really play him off the ball. He's either the point or needs to be on the bench. I believe you can and should us Maxey in the final minutes or so but for the balance of the game we need Hagans running the point or sitting.
 
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JC CATS

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What facts are you stating? You are claiming that Hagans will be the cause of a loss in the tournament, when you have no idea if that will happen or not.
You can't reason with that guy, he is off the chain. Best basketball knowledge he can provide "Hagans argued with Cal" He thinks not rebounding, Quickley being off and Fulkerson going crazy had nothing to do with the outcome
 

Uk2k4

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You can't reason with that guy, he is off the chain. Best basketball knowledge he can provide "Hagans argued with Cal" He thinks not rebounding, Quickley being off and Fulkerson going crazy had nothing to do with the outcome
So the hagans incident had nothing to do with the team blowing a 17 point lead and having a 25 point turnaround over 15 minutes? Wow some of you are dumber than I thought.
 
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Fgpoe03

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Hagans is a very valuable component to our team, we have to have him in the game to win. I just Think Tyrese has elevated his game and is really getting comfortable. When Tyrese was running point we were up 17 points. Hagans is really explosive off the ball running the baseline and finding gaps in the paint. I think it’s a great strategy.

These issues were talking about did not just happen the Tennessee game. Things have been trending in this direction for several games now.


Adding to this, it would also play to his strength to disrupt passing lanes. He would be in an area where more passes are made and his offense would improve. As you mentioned, his strength is slashing and he seems to be better offensively from the side than the top of the key. It could improve his stock and the teams. Would allow better passes into our bigs and defenses can't sag off of Maxey. This change could be huge and put us at elite status. Just gotta convince Hagans it helps his stock.

Oh and let's not forget that cuts out some of the driving turnovers from the top of the key.

I believe Cal did this in a game to slow someone down, by putting Hagans on him.
We looked really good, when that adjustment was made and won. Just the idea of him being able to get in the middle and get some steaks (without turning it over on the other end) would be huge. We could be talking anywhere from five to ten, extra possessions a game (factoring in cutting down the turnovers and more steals). In any basketball game that would be a huge advantage and I would like to see how well it plays out.
 

Greatestalltime

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You think the majority of the blame for the Tenn loss should fall on Ashton? I disagree. He had 3 TO's in 26 mins. 11 pts., and his defense was very good on Vescovi. We lost because we let their front court absolutely abuse our two 5* bigs. Fulkerson and Pons (6'9 and 6'6) combined for 42 points and 11 rebounds. We lost because Nick and EJ got thoroughly outplayed.

Does some blame fall on Ashton? Sure. Do I think the "I'm not going in" stuff is overblown? Yes. But we didn't lose Tuesday because of him. Also, the guy he was guarding for the entirety of the game went 1-7 with 4 points and 3 TOs.

I tend to be an optimist. I think Ashton plays better basketball down the stretch, starting Saturday at UF.
I’m open minded and can admit you make good points. My fear is if he’s “the guy” down the stretch, in crunch time, our chances of winning goes down. If Cal runs a pick and roll with him at the end, like Tenn game, I have very little faith he’ll make the right decision or make his layup attempt.

I can’t get over his very awkward badly missed layup in last year’s tourney game at the end. It was the anti-Maxey attempt. I also don’t think he’s very smart. And this last episode, where he has very much to lose by acting like an *******, yet did it anyway by yelling at various people, further confirms my suspicion that he’s just not very smart. I already know he’s not very skilled.

All that said I’ll be right there backing and hoping he plays well. I’m not one of “those people”(the type that would rather be right with their unending negativity than having our team do well) I really do want to be wrong. I just fear, for once, I may be right.
 
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seccats04

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Talk to me when Hagans is still playing 35 minutes a game and providing nothing but turnovers and losing a game in the tournament for us.
Same for EJ. But because we have no bench we can't sit him unless we play a walkon.
 

KyFaninNC

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I wonder if Calipari will move Tyrese to point and play Hagans off the ball. I think that would be a really effective game plan moving forward. Maxey has been terrific running point the last couple of games. Let Hagans roam the paint for gaps looking to score or pass.
If you do this, then Hagans needs to be on the bench and only sub for Maxey. What does Hagans give you, if he is not running point? He can’t shoot, although his shot looks good form wise, he can’t make a layup, so what does he give us?
 

KyFaninNC

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I always thought the same thing, and still do to a certain degree. That being said, I heard an announcer the other day, I can't remember which one, say that we run the weave to force switches until we get the match up we want and then we attack. I'm not convinced that is the purpose, but it made me think there might be more to it than I once thought.
When the other team plays zone, there is no switching. And we can’t shoot, so most teams zone us.
 

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So the hagans incident had nothing to do with the team blowing a 17 point lead and having a 25 point turnaround over 15 minutes? Wow some of you are dumber than I thought.
My goodness, you’re an insufferable “know it all.”
 

MWes11

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I’m open minded and can admit you make good points. My fear is if he’s “the guy” down the stretch, in crunch time, our chances of winning goes down. If Cal runs a pick and roll with him at the end, like Tenn game, I have very little faith he’ll make the right decision or make his layup attempt.

I can’t get over his very awkward badly missed layup in last year’s tourney game at the end. It was the anti-Maxey attempt. I also don’t think he’s very smart. And this last episode, where he has very much to lose by acting like an *******, yet did it anyway by yelling at various people, further confirms my suspicion that he’s just not very smart. I already know he’s not very skilled.

All that said I’ll be right there backing and hoping he plays well. I’m not one of “those people”(the type that would rather be right with their unending negativity than having our team do well) I really do want to be wrong. I just fear, for once, I may be right.
Great points. Open minded as well and love the back n forth and listening to our fans perspective. Let's hope for the best coming down the stretch!! All we can really do as fans is cheer on and support the squad!
 

jc2010

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I always thought the same thing, and still do to a certain degree. That being said, I heard an announcer the other day, I can't remember which one, say that we run the weave to force switches until we get the match up we want and then we attack. I'm not convinced that is the purpose, but it made me think there might be more to it than I once thought.
Opponents use a screen to get the match up they want and it only takes them 2 seconds
 
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cats#1again

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There were numerous plays that second half where he was jogging back, arguing with refs, not dropping down to help/rebound. But by all means keep focusing on whatever helps you not believe what u don’t want to.
I can say the same for you
Keep focusing on the negative and whatever helps your agenda!!
See how that works
The fact that Cal will continue to play him 30+ minutes a game because that is what’s best for his future. And it doesn’t matter what is best for the team right now.
Cal 100% does what is best for our team. That's all a bunch of made up bullsh*t to believe otherwise.