Come on Ed, heck you could go to the concessions or bathroom whenever and never miss a score.
Cal’s Replacement
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Come on Ed, heck you could go to the concessions or bathroom whenever and never miss a score.
I like Kenny Payne. He would do a good job would not get us in trouble and the player would play hard for him. And he can recruit. BUT why is it every dam year at this time of year someone always ask if Cal leaves he is not going any where
Now that’s funnyCome on Ed, heck you could go to the concessions or bathroom whenever and never miss a score.
If Kenny stays until Cal leaves, he deserves the shot at the helm of the basketball program.
So teams like Vandy dont even try and talk with with Payne but we should give him the head coaching position at UK?
Is Matt Jones in the CLOD since he brought this topic up this morning on the radio????? PS...... He and Cal are buddies.... ..
Cal Legion of Doom............ which would mean people that want Cal gone and fired.......... which as you can see in this thread... no one is calling for Cal to be fired so mentioning it in this thread is unwarranted.
I don't know, never heard the dudes show. I'm strictly speaking of the way this topic plays out here.
If you keep Payne... its gotta be a 1 year test run and if the guy doesnt do gang busters ... you better use that year to recruit a Donovan or Stevens to UK. Barnhart cant survive another horrible hire in basketball.. not in the social media age.
I will be honest and this may switch the subject, but I think Cal will outlast Mitch.
This might be a stretch, but Cal may be our next AD.
Care to explain why you think that...I think he'd be great here..Can coach and recruit
Remember the quote from Zoolander:
Derek Zoolander: [after being in a coal mine for a day] I think I'm getting the black lung, Pop. [coughing] It's not very well-ventilated down there.
Larry Zoolander: For Christ's sake, Derek, you've been down there one day. Talk to me in thirty years.
Couldn't agree with you more. It is a sideshow half the time....at least.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been subject to a restraining order? [smoke]
Serious question for all you throwing out Donovan, Pearl, etc. How long do you think Cal is going to be here?
I mean seriously, at this point do you not see him retiring from here in 8-10 years?
These guys are all similar age....Pearl is 60, not 45 and has baggage, Donovan is in NBA, has 2 NCAA titles and is 55. Stevens, maybe but he is with the freaking Celtics and is super highly thought of...I guess he is the only possibility I see if you threw the world at him.
Names to think of in seriousness:
1. Kenny Payne
- disagree if you want but he is sticking around for a reason, he is 53 and his been with Cal since Day 1 at UK.
2. Chris Holtman
- Lexington ties, late 40's, has some work to do for consideration
3. Mark Pope
- UK grad, title winner, mid/late 40's, up and comer
4. Chris Beard
- proven winner and is in mid/late 40's, but was he a one shot wonder?
5. John Brannen
- moving up ranks, highly thought of, at UC now and is in mid 40's, already coached at NKU and is from NKy.
6. Joel Justus
- he is late 30's and is Cals golden boy, if 10 years go by he will have been with Cal for 15+ years.
The list is small. Cal is boarding on uncharted territory since Rupp at UK in terms of tenure. If he puts in 18-20 years here and is tied to the program like I suspect it isn't getting flipped to someone on a whim. It will be publicly announced that it is his last season and it is going to KP IMO. Cal has a lot of power here...I am not sure people are considering that.
I mean seriously, at this point do you not see him retiring from here in 8-10 years?
These guys are all similar age....Pearl is 60, not 45 and has baggage, Donovan is in NBA, has 2 NCAA titles and is 55. Stevens, maybe but he is with the freaking Celtics and is super highly thought of...I guess he is the only possibility I see if you threw the world at him.
Names to think of in seriousness:
1. Kenny Payne
- disagree if you want but he is sticking around for a reason, he is 53 and his been with Cal since Day 1 at UK.
2. Chris Holtman
- Lexington ties, late 40's, has some work to do for consideration
3. Mark Pope
- UK grad, title winner, mid/late 40's, up and comer
4. Chris Beard
- proven winner and is in mid/late 40's, but was he a one shot wonder?
5. John Brannen
- moving up ranks, highly thought of, at UC now and is in mid 40's, already coached at NKU and is from NKy.
6. Joel Justus
- he is late 30's and is Cals golden boy, if 10 years go by he will have been with Cal for 15+ years.
The list is small. Cal is boarding on uncharted territory since Rupp at UK in terms of tenure. If he puts in 18-20 years here and is tied to the program like I suspect it isn't getting flipped to someone on a whim. It will be publicly announced that it is his last season and it is going to KP IMO. Cal has a lot of power here...I am not sure people are considering that.
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It’s funny that this was a nice rational discussion until all the master baiters showed up. You know, the ones that love to pick fights.
The saddest effing people on this board by far.
It took 3 times of asking Pitino to coach UK for him to come here........ Famous story told by CM Newton many times before his passing.
Brucie Pearl? Brucie is a fun guy whose teams play an entertaining brand of basketball, and...
* Secretly recorded a conversation with a recruit and steered the conversation to get the recruit to imply that Illinois had offered him illegal benefits and turned the recording in to the NCAA.
* Committed a BBQ violation while at UW-Milwaukee.
* Tried to cover up the results of at least two failed player drug tests at UT.
* The BBQ? Lied through his teeth to NCAA investigators about it, told his assistants to lie about it, and encouraged the recruits and parents to lie about it.
* After the BBQ, he commits a "bump rule" violation and a player guest pass list violation.
* At Albarn, they are part of the Adidas scandal, but of course, Brucie knew nothing about that. [eyeroll]
In summary, Brucie Pearl is a sweaty, slimy, lying sack of dung who will never be hired at UK under any circumstances.
Donovan? Donovan has commented at least once how great it is to "just coach basketball" in the NBA. He's been successful enough that he will have an NBA job as long as he wants one, and I'd guess that it's pretty damn unlikely that whenever Cal retires in another 7 years plus that a 62+ year old Donovan would have any interest in returning to college and all of the ******** that comes with it.
Stevens? Brad Stevens loves coaching in the NBA and is with arguably the most storied franchise in the league. His interest in returning to college is likely hovering somewhere slightly below zero.
* Secretly recorded a conversation with a recruit and steered the conversation to get the recruit to imply that Illinois had offered him illegal benefits and turned the recording in to the NCAA.
* Committed a BBQ violation while at UW-Milwaukee.
* Tried to cover up the results of at least two failed player drug tests at UT.
* The BBQ? Lied through his teeth to NCAA investigators about it, told his assistants to lie about it, and encouraged the recruits and parents to lie about it.
* After the BBQ, he commits a "bump rule" violation and a player guest pass list violation.
* At Albarn, they are part of the Adidas scandal, but of course, Brucie knew nothing about that. [eyeroll]
In summary, Brucie Pearl is a sweaty, slimy, lying sack of dung who will never be hired at UK under any circumstances.
Donovan? Donovan has commented at least once how great it is to "just coach basketball" in the NBA. He's been successful enough that he will have an NBA job as long as he wants one, and I'd guess that it's pretty damn unlikely that whenever Cal retires in another 7 years plus that a 62+ year old Donovan would have any interest in returning to college and all of the ******** that comes with it.
Stevens? Brad Stevens loves coaching in the NBA and is with arguably the most storied franchise in the league. His interest in returning to college is likely hovering somewhere slightly below zero.
I agree on the ages of some of these other coaches mentioned.
Of note: Kenny Payne was not on our staff for Cal's first season, here. Kenny was still out in Oregon.
He can coach and recruit. I don't have a doubt about that. I think he'd try to coach his *** off here too. It would be the biggest job he's ever had. A dream come true.
But I don't believe he's capable of steering a blue blood. It's different here. This man sweats more then a ***** in church. He's too emotional to coach here. Our fans would get to him.
Like it or not we are a ruthless fan base. And he couldn't take the pressure. He wouldn't be accepted here by everybody either, and Big blue would turn on him if we didnt have at least a final four in his first three years.
Kentucky isn't for everybody. It sure as hell isn't for Pearl.
Zero chance Brad Stevens or Billy D comes to UK. ZERO. The options are limited for our next coach and whoever it is won’t come close to matching Cal’s run, even though I am sure that person will be successful. Since I think Cal will be here another 5 years at least, you never know who could develop as a top notch coach over that time. I must say I am impressed with Mark Pope, but he still has to show a lot more before he could ever even be considered.
Well if anyone develops into a star coach.. according to you there would be a 0% chance of them coming here.
and before you say its the NBA....... Pitino left the NBA twice for college teams.... J.B. just left the Cavs and wants back in the NCAA..... If they wont come to UK.. fire Barnhart and hire an AD that can get the job done.
No. Not at all. Stevens or Billy D aren’t leaving the NBA imo. Anyone else is fair game.
Pitino was a playoff coach for the Knicks and came to UK. Did we become a sh*tty program since then or something?
Yes he was. But he also had a strained relationship with the Knicks front office. It was a perfect storm. Stevens is loved in Boston and as far as I can see, Billy D is popular in OKC.
There have been rumors about Donovan being fired from OKC for 2 years now.... rumors like that usually happen when some are not happy with the coach.
Summary:
There are maybe 2-3 coaches who could do it around the same level as Cal, and they're not leaving their gigs.
There are another 5 or so who would be a modest but acceptable step down, but they're all either Cal's age or wouldn't leave their current gig.
Then there are a dozen or so guys, mostly in their 40s, who are currently building their reputation at modest D1 schools - a couple of these will break out and make for the next crop of blue blood candidates. We will end up with one of those.
Beard is the big name now, but this group has thinned out over the last few years by a number of factors including unprecedented success (Stevens) questionable career moves (The Miller brothers), fraudulence (Smart), and mild insanity (Marshall).
There are maybe 2-3 coaches who could do it around the same level as Cal, and they're not leaving their gigs.
There are another 5 or so who would be a modest but acceptable step down, but they're all either Cal's age or wouldn't leave their current gig.
Then there are a dozen or so guys, mostly in their 40s, who are currently building their reputation at modest D1 schools - a couple of these will break out and make for the next crop of blue blood candidates. We will end up with one of those.
Beard is the big name now, but this group has thinned out over the last few years by a number of factors including unprecedented success (Stevens) questionable career moves (The Miller brothers), fraudulence (Smart), and mild insanity (Marshall).
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Well apparently those rumors aren’t true since he still coaches there. OKC is 37-23 this year and will be solidly in the playoffs.
might consider taking a step outside yourself and just watch how you operate. You would NOT be impressed haha. Man, you deserve all the roasting you get for being so dramatic about how you want to control a message board. If you don’t like the topic, move on
I agree Cal is likely not going anyway but as a manager we have succession talks all the time. I’m not actively looking for a job but twice per year you know someone Is going to ask for my OLR. In this, it’s purely a hypothetical and not outside the realm of normal business operation. Your career seems to be windmill battling, to borrow from Cervantes. In short, just chill. Your slip is showing
Bruce Pearl is the obvious perfect fit for Kentucky.
MB wouldn't have get on his knees or throw a ton of money his way to get him to Lexington. Little effort would get him the job. You could word the contract however you pleased. He also has the personality and charisma that this job requires. You would win, play exciting basketball, recruiting wouldn't fall off much, players would develop, he would know how to deal with fanbase and wouldn't be afraid of the pressure being in that seat.
Would it be risky? Yes. But I don't believe he has to cut corners and/or cheat at all to be successful at Kentucky. Also, he'll be watched like a hawk and all the now Calipari haters in journalism would love to see UK fail with Pearl.
Billy Donovan would be my other choice, but I don't think he wants to be here. Chris Beard is a hot name right now and would be a good choice, but I'm afraid he would be a huge drop off from Calipari and I'm not sure how he would handle the pressure.
It's going to take a special person to be successful at Kentucky. Pearl is the perfect fit. I don't know if it would ever happen, but it would most certainly have to be considered.
MB wouldn't have get on his knees or throw a ton of money his way to get him to Lexington. Little effort would get him the job. You could word the contract however you pleased. He also has the personality and charisma that this job requires. You would win, play exciting basketball, recruiting wouldn't fall off much, players would develop, he would know how to deal with fanbase and wouldn't be afraid of the pressure being in that seat.
Would it be risky? Yes. But I don't believe he has to cut corners and/or cheat at all to be successful at Kentucky. Also, he'll be watched like a hawk and all the now Calipari haters in journalism would love to see UK fail with Pearl.
Billy Donovan would be my other choice, but I don't think he wants to be here. Chris Beard is a hot name right now and would be a good choice, but I'm afraid he would be a huge drop off from Calipari and I'm not sure how he would handle the pressure.
It's going to take a special person to be successful at Kentucky. Pearl is the perfect fit. I don't know if it would ever happen, but it would most certainly have to be considered.
Maybe Kenny doesn't take offers because he knows what he wants. You don't know if Vandy has ever tried to talk to him because you know you are just throwing crap on the wall to see if it sticks. I will say that you have some weak @$$ comments sometimes, lol.
In the last 15 or so years the landscape of college sports has made me realize something about the old school powerhouses. It doesn't matter anymore. When being on tv was a still a sought after commodity the old traditional powers had sway. Everybody is on tv or espn3 every single game now. Who the coach is matters deeply. BCG proved that. Matt Doughtery proved that. Mike Davis, Tom Crean, Archie Miller provided that. I could name the coaches at Bama, USC, and Notre Dame in football this decade not named Saban, Carroll, or Kelly and those programs have been average at best. So if you can get Billy D or someone else of that caliber you take them regardless of anything else. You take a Bruce Pearl regardless. If for some reason you can't a really big fish, you give it to KP before you go to the Mike White level of coach. His connections run as deep or deeper than any in the sport and that plays big time.
yeah, thanks for the suggestion, but I think I’ll put ya on ignore dude. (Tips hat)...have a great life.