Hagans is not good

[RalphDaltonFan]

He's good, but I agree if people think he's overhyped when the term "great" or "Best PG in country" is used. You can't be as careless with the basketball as he is. He's a vastly overrated on ball defender but in same token is really outstanding as an off ball defender. He is the barometer for this team and that scares the crap out of me as a viewer because I don't trust anything he will do. FT percentage is about 80% but late in game, I have 0 confidence. Decision making. Control. Leadership. Just this of this last week. While everyone rightfully praised his deflection to end Texas Tech game, they omit the crazy 1 on 4 drive with Cats up 4 in OT and 2+ to go. That's inexcusable. The Vandy game was poor. He was abused by Saben Lee and removed off him in place of Maxey. Today was his worst game since Evansville. He was killing the team when on the court. Not hurting--killing them. From TO's, to thinking he had to score every trip he had the ball, to losing the lead on that 3 that Okoro tied game on in zone, etc....

This team goes how Hagans goes and while Maxey/Quickley tried to bail them out...Hagans set the tone. Better wake up quick because Mississippi State is coming in winners of 4/5 straight and has matchups that make that a tough game Tuesday.

 

[Cats192]

Maxey and Quickley played good tonight. That's it. That's the list. We got good play out of two players.

 

[bigsmoothie]

He was awful tonight similar to the elite 8 game last year. We go as he goes and hate to say it, but he just flat out isn’t good enough to take this team where it wants to go.

You could always like stop watching.

 

[willyclyde]

He’ll be decent as a senior.

 

[Sparkaces]

He's good, but I agree if people think he's overhyped when the term "great" or "Best PG in country" is used. You can't be as careless with the basketball as he is. He's a vastly overrated on ball defender but in same token is really outstanding as an off ball defender. He is the barometer for this team and that scares the crap out of me as a viewer because I don't trust anything he will do. FT percentage is about 80% but late in game, I have 0 confidence. Decision making. Control. Leadership. Just this of this last week. While everyone rightfully praised his deflection to end Texas Tech game, they omit the crazy 1 on 4 drive with Cats up 4 in OT and 2+ to go. That's inexcusable. The Vandy game was poor. He was abused by Saben Lee and removed off him in place of Maxey. Today was his worst game since Evansville. He was killing the team when on the court. Not hurting--killing them. From TO's, to thinking he had to score every trip he had the ball, to losing the win on that 3 that Okoro tied game on in zone, etc....

This team goes how Hagans goes and while Maxey/Quickley tried to bail them out...Hagans set the tone. Better wake up quick because Mississippi State is coming in winners of 4/5 straight and has matchups that make that a tough game Tuesday.

The best defender in the country gave Okoro that three in the Zone, D highly overrated!

 

[irontribe1]

Start another thread about how awesome Hagans is please. You said he’s the best player in the SEC (he’s not), the best defender in the country (he’s not) and the best PG in the country (he’s not).

Well...he's still a pretty good player tho...

 

[shutzhund]

He was awful tonight similar to the elite 8 game last year. We go as he goes and hate to say it, but he just flat out isn’t good enough to take this team where it wants to go.

About now is anyone past or present able to take this team where it wants to go. If we didn't have Hagans I'd hate to imagine what our record would be.

 

[Soupbean]

He's good, he's just missing a couple of key parts of being a great point guard.. One is of course being a confident shooter & the other is his judgment or lack of in traffic. He tends to get caught in no mans land 4 or 5 times a game on drives in the paint. Seems to make one extra dribble when he should have made the pass, things like that. Not sure how to fix that, it's just a feel most great ones have.

That said its amazing how good he can be sometimes while still struggling in those two areas. His crazy quickness & defensive effort are still big things to build on.

 

[kybassfan]

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He was awful tonight similar to the elite 8 game last year. We go as he goes and hate to say it, but he just flat out isn’t good enough to take this team where it wants to go.

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Damn Cheetos

 

[anon_013cn8yrfncx2]

Sometimes he is just not in the right frame of mind. He took a lot of heat for the Elite 8 loss to Auburn last year and admitted he didn’t play well.

IMO he was going to redeem himself tonite and didn’t do what he was supposed to do. Tried to do too much and most of it was bad.

Doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about his greatness. He’s the UK point guard and we have to live with it, the good and the bad.

 

[RKulmer]

He is a very good player. What I'd like to see is evidence he is the floor leader. Control tempo and make better decisions. Less helter-skelter.

 

[stoneycat_20]

Seriously

He needs to get a Haircat

If HAGANS get a cut

Then we gonna be tough

Seriously, I agree with this..He looks like he's high (played like it today) or just got up

 

[jameslee32]

Hagans was not good.

Conjugation is your friend.

 

[Wildcats1st]

He's good, but I agree if people think he's overhyped when the term "great" or "Best PG in country" is used. You can't be as careless with the basketball as he is. He's a vastly overrated on ball defender but in same token is really outstanding as an off ball defender. He is the barometer for this team and that scares the crap out of me as a viewer because I don't trust anything he will do. FT percentage is about 80% but late in game, I have 0 confidence. Decision making. Control. Leadership. Just this of this last week. While everyone rightfully praised his deflection to end Texas Tech game, they omit the crazy 1 on 4 drive with Cats up 4 in OT and 2+ to go. That's inexcusable. The Vandy game was poor. He was abused by Saben Lee and removed off him in place of Maxey. Today was his worst game since Evansville. He was killing the team when on the court. Not hurting--killing them. From TO's, to thinking he had to score every trip he had the ball, to losing the win on that 3 that Okoro tied game on in zone, etc....

This team goes how Hagans goes and while Maxey/Quickley tried to bail them out...Hagans set the tone. Better wake up quick because Mississippi State is coming in winners of 4/5 straight and has matchups that make that a tough game Tuesday.

The amount of weight for this team on hagans shoulders is immense. As hagans goes our team goes as you say. Hagans is a very good player but not the type of great player to lead a team to s title. If he was in a marquis teague type role with the team Teague had hagans would be viewed in a different light. The fact he is too heavily relied upon. When he’s not on his game maxey or quickley need to run the show and hagans needs to watch. I think that will help hagans to see how to slow the game down and move the ball the way maxey did today. Instead hagans wants to force things much of the time. Cal just needs to reign him in a bit

 

[willyclyde]

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Damn Cheetos

So you think he was/is good? Take the blue tinted glasses off.

 

[ManitouDan_anon]

Better than we are. It what it is. This team has a sweet 16 ceiling. Very frustrating.

The amount of weight for this team on hagans shoulders is immense. As hagans goes our team goes as you say. Hagans is a very good player but not the type of great player to lead a team to s title. If he was in a marquis teague type role with the team Teague had hagans would be viewed in a different light. The fact he is too heavily relied upon. When he’s not on his game maxey or quickley need to run the show and hagans needs to watch. I think that will help hagans to see how to slow the game down and move the ball the way maxey did today. Instead hagans wants to force things much of the time. Cal just needs to reign him in a bit

VERY good take on our PG play . I stated a couple weeks ago in a odd sense Ashton is our James Harden , not in scoring obviously but I've rarely seen a team where the ball is in one persons so much. And thats not a good thing.

 

[liveblue92]

He’s a solid college PG. Not “the best in the country”. Not “not very good”. He will have some bad games. The last two against Auburn have been beyond bad and have really cost us.

 

[yoshukai]

He was awful tonight similar to the elite 8 game last year. We go as he goes and hate to say it, but he just flat out isn’t good enough to take this team where it wants to go.

It's a policy of mine to never agree with you . So I'll just say this , when he's bad he's REALLY bad . Kid better get more consistent quick if we're going to have any chance in March . He's right up there with Willie when it comes to having "clunker" games .

 

[ManitouDan_anon]

We all want the best for him , when he's " On" we are really good . I think the problem is between the ears and thats hard to fix -- NOT thats he dumb , dont misread me , I think he overthinks things or presses in big games or ?? who knows . Has the tools , just needs to master them .

 

[anon_q409idbs5m40a]

Bring back Saul Smith....

I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

 

[kyups01]

7 assists a game. your retardation is near complete.

What about his missed 7 layups per game?

 

[Cbbcrazy2]

I like Hagans, he is too loose with the ball. A 10 point lead with the chance to push it out and you can count on him doing something out of character. Bad pass, ill advised shot or something worse. He is not the best point guard in the country, since Cal said that he has gotten a little worse each game. When he plays within the system and plays like a true point guard we are much better. I refuse to say good, cause we have a long way to go to reach that status.

 

[UK-Chulo]

He's good, but I agree if people think he's overhyped when the term "great" or "Best PG in country" is used. You can't be as careless with the basketball as he is. He's a vastly overrated on ball defender but in same token is really outstanding as an off ball defender. He is the barometer for this team and that scares the crap out of me as a viewer because I don't trust anything he will do. FT percentage is about 80% but late in game, I have 0 confidence. Decision making. Control. Leadership. Just this of this last week. While everyone rightfully praised his deflection to end Texas Tech game, they omit the crazy 1 on 4 drive with Cats up 4 in OT and 2+ to go. That's inexcusable. The Vandy game was poor. He was abused by Saben Lee and removed off him in place of Maxey. Today was his worst game since Evansville. He was killing the team when on the court. Not hurting--killing them. From TO's, to thinking he had to score every trip he had the ball, to losing the win on that 3 that Okoro tied game on in zone, etc....

This team goes how Hagans goes and while Maxey/Quickley tried to bail them out...Hagans set the tone. Better wake up quick because Mississippi State is coming in winners of 4/5 straight and has matchups that make that a tough game Tuesday.

He has had some good games this year and has struggled some too.

His A/T ratio against P5 teams this year is 1.79, so he is a decent PG who plays consistently good defense, but gambles a bit as well. Certainly not best PG in country though.

 

[sefus12]

B-ball IQ is his biggest problem. The whole team struggles in this department but Hagans and Maxey the most. Not good for the two guys who have the ball in their hands the most.

 

[OHcatfan]

Hagans is a good player, but nowhere near great! You can count on him making 3 or 4 horrible decisions that result in turnovers each half. I count him shooting an outside shot a horrible decision. I also believe his defense is vastly overrated. Sure he is good at jumping passing lanes, but his on the ball defense is the ole matador style.

I also don't believe he ever plays in the NBA. Non-shooting guards are becoming extinct in the league. I hope I'm wrong though for his sake.

 

[ScrooDook92]

If he continues his slide, that will be two years in a row, and then it will be a case of not being able to keep up with the competition as it gets better, or bring unable to focus as the spotlight grows.

 

[qwesley]

B-ball IQ is his biggest problem. The whole team struggles in this department but Hagans and Maxey the most. Not good for the two guys who have the ball in their hands the most.

Hagans probably has the ball more than any guard under Cal other than Ulis but his decision making is not nearly as good. And while his physicality works much of the time getting in the middle and keeping his dribble alive, against physical teams on the road it is going to lead to more turnovers.

 

[ScrooDook92]

VERY good take on our PG play . I stated a couple weeks ago in a odd sense Ashton is our James Harden , not in scoring obviously but I've rarely seen a team where the ball is in one persons so much. And thats not a good thing.

Exactly what happened last night. Auburn funneled the ball to Hagans, knowing he would fumble with passes and be unable to create his own shot. And you don't have to really defend any of the other guys except for Richards or Quickley.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

Hagans is a very good pg.
A neutral floor and even whistle he will destroy aU.
How many sec pow did old sal win ?

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

Not sure why he becomes a turnover machine some games but that has to be corrected for this team to stand a chance come March. He also needs to spend more time trying to stay between his man and the basket vs. trying to steal the ball every time down the court. Bottom line with Ashton is that his decision making is highly suspect at critical times in the game and that has to be cleaned up period.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Not sure why he becomes a turnover machine some games but that has to be corrected for this team to stand a chance come March. He also needs to spend more time trying to stay between his man and the basket vs. trying to steal the ball every time down the court. Bottom line with Ashton is that his decision making is highly suspect at critical times in the game and that has to be cleaned up period.

At this point, do you see that happening? This team is baked in the cake by now. We don’t have enough bench, and the rest is already what it will be.

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

At this point, do you see that happening? This team is baked in the cake by now. We don’t have enough bench, and the rest is already what it will be.

If Hagans stayed another year to grow....but I don't see that happening. One can only dream.
The bench is a real issue needing another year to grow in size as well as maturity. Right now, this is not looking like a team that will be cutting down nets in March. But again.....One can only dream.

 

[RalphDaltonFan]

Think what sums up this entire thread is everyone has an issue with the decision making. To me that's a serious issue as the player is approaching 60 games in his career. At what point do you figure out that you have to value the basketball? Turnovers aren't the only indicator of that. The fact he came into the game in 2nd Half and immediately thought he had to shoot/score is awful. So many of his TO's are just losing his dribble and a PG the ball should be like it's on a string, not like you dipped your hands in water before you took the court.

He has to grow as a player and this past week was a sign he's not getting what it takes for him/team to be successful. This season has reached the point where it's time to tighten things up and turn it up a level, not backslide.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

What worries me most about him is that he continues to make the same mistakes, which isn't good for a Sophomore in February. A freshman? Understandable, but he needs to be turning that corner and just being CONSISTENT. It's almost like he's hit a bit of a wall.

 

[RoyKent]

He's good, but I agree if people think he's overhyped when the term "great" or "Best PG in country" is used. You can't be as careless with the basketball as he is. He's a vastly overrated on ball defender but in same token is really outstanding as an off ball defender. He is the barometer for this team and that scares the crap out of me as a viewer because I don't trust anything he will do. FT percentage is about 80% but late in game, I have 0 confidence. Decision making. Control. Leadership. Just this of this last week. While everyone rightfully praised his deflection to end Texas Tech game, they omit the crazy 1 on 4 drive with Cats up 4 in OT and 2+ to go. That's inexcusable. The Vandy game was poor. He was abused by Saben Lee and removed off him in place of Maxey. Today was his worst game since Evansville. He was killing the team when on the court. Not hurting--killing them. From TO's, to thinking he had to score every trip he had the ball, to losing the lead on that 3 that Okoro tied game on in zone, etc....

This team goes how Hagans goes and while Maxey/Quickley tried to bail them out...Hagans set the tone. Better wake up quick because Mississippi State is coming in winners of 4/5 straight and has matchups that make that a tough game Tuesday.

He’s a solid college PG. Not “the best in the country”. Not “not very good”. He will have some bad games. The last two against Auburn have been beyond bad and have really cost us.

Hagans is a good player, but nowhere near great! You can count on him making 3 or 4 horrible decisions that result in turnovers each half. I count him shooting an outside shot a horrible decision. I also believe his defense is vastly overrated. Sure he is good at jumping passing lanes, but his on the ball defense is the ole matador style.

I also don't believe he ever plays in the NBA. Non-shooting guards are becoming extinct in the league. I hope I'm wrong though for his sake.

None of this can be true. @caneintally and @HerrosHeroes keep starting threads and making posts that Hagans is the best PG in the country, best defender in the country and best overall player in the SEC.

 

[Ky_Bred_Cat]

Hagan's seems to lack maturity IMO. This could explain the inconsistency and poor decision making. He's relying too much on his considerable physical tools and not the cerebral. This could explain the lapses in focus.

Quickley, on the other hand, seems a more mature, focused person and player. He's also more consistent and is slowly and steadily expanding and improving his game.

While I'm at it, I'm not sure what to think of Maxey but if only he would add passing as an option on his drives - look out.

 

[JonathanW_rivals]

He was awful tonight similar to the elite 8 game last year. We go as he goes and hate to say it, but he just flat out isn’t good enough to take this team where it wants to go.

Hagans is good, but he’s not great. But I’m not seeing any great players in college this year. Hagans is one of the top 5-10 PGs. Richards is one of the best 5-10 Cs. And Quickley and Maxey are both pretty good too ( not sure what to call them).