it would again be an enormous tragedy and if the NCAA made a decision that they should be honored in some way which endures as long as college football exists, I would hope no one would object
Kobe as new NBA logo?
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it would again be an enormous tragedy and if the NCAA made a decision that they should be honored in some way which endures as long as college football exists, I would hope no one would object
I hate Jordan but really he should be the logo of the NBA.
I’m in favor of whatever they want to do within the limits of logical sense. Some of the things you named are fine.
I expect the Lakers to do what the Cardinals did when Pat Tillman made the ultimate sacrifice for his country and that's to retire both his numbers.
Yes I could see that as well as something with the arena....Kobe's Court or something like that.
Exactly. And emotional reactions are to be expected but it is better to let those sit for a while and if the majority NBA people and players still want to do it in a year or 2 then do it . But don't knee jerk something like that.
I don’t have that big of an opinion but I do think that the logo needs to change soon. Most people who keep up with the NBA have never even seen a a Jerry West highlight. If they are going to change it now would be a good time and Kobe passing makes him the obvious choice if they were going to change it.
I’m not 100% sold on the changing the logo idea, but honestly there’s gotta be someone else other than Jerry West that could be the logo. No disrespect to the guy, but he doesn’t even want to be the logo.
I also don’t know why anyone would really care that much. It’s not an iconic logo. It just feels like it is because it’s rubber stamped on a billion basketballs and jerseys. Air Jordan, I guarantee you, is much wider recognized.
People just hate change when it comes to sports for whatever reason. Make it Jordan, make it Kobe, make it Larry Bird, I don’t care.
I also don’t know why anyone would really care that much. It’s not an iconic logo. It just feels like it is because it’s rubber stamped on a billion basketballs and jerseys. Air Jordan, I guarantee you, is much wider recognized.
People just hate change when it comes to sports for whatever reason. Make it Jordan, make it Kobe, make it Larry Bird, I don’t care.
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Interesting . . shows how little I knew. Never gave any thought to the logo I suppose. Never knew it was an actual player, much less West. If they were to change it, however, league might be reluctant to go from one Laker to another, beautiful tributes withstood.
The NBA isn't dumb enough to taint their product with Kobe in the Era of Me Too. Many people loved him for his game. Many more hate him for what he did. Yeah, yeah, he was never convicted, but that evidence was very damning. His money and fame save him from a long prison sentence. The NBA will sit back and allow him to be celebrated, but he will never be the symbol for the game. Kobe = toxic. They aren't going to stain their logo with an image associated with sexual assault.
Did Roberto Clemente retire from baseball? No, he got killed shortly after his most recent season and while performing humanitarian work for central Americans. Clemente had more baseball stats to compile, and it takes more than one or two really good players on an MLB team to make a deep run through the post season. So while Clemente's shortened MLB career leaves him shy of the equivalent of Kobe, just know that basketball is very shy of being the equivalent of baseball. Shame on you for using Bryant's tragedy as an attempt to devalue to life and legacy of the great Roberto Clemente. He is mourned to this day, 1/2 a century later.
I might be the biggest Kobe fan you will find, and I still think this is a knee jerk reaction. Besides, the NBA already has too much brand recognition with the current logo.
Not in my book . No on single guy is bigger than the game or the league. ( MJ Magic Bird Wilt and Kareem were all better IMO)
I don't really care about the logo. Most logos are updated occasionally anyways but the talk of retiring his number league-wide is ridiculous. He wasn't Gretzky and he definitely wasn't Jackie Robinson.
This is the perfect post. Now isn’t the time to bring up his past just as now isn’t the time to make major changes. It’s just too soon. From all I’ve read Kobe had his life in a good place but I‘ve also read about the whole sexual assault / adultery issue and that will never go away.
I don't have any rooting interest in the NBA.. I don't get heated about Kobe, LeBron, whatever.
But I don't get how considering a massive honor for a top 5 player of all time dying at 41 is knee-jerk.
Especially given Jerry's position.
There are definitely arguments against it, and I think the best one is that the SJWs will have a field day because of those allegations (not to diminish the nature of the claim, but I find the details highly suspect).
But I don't get how considering a massive honor for a top 5 player of all time dying at 41 is knee-jerk.
Especially given Jerry's position.
There are definitely arguments against it, and I think the best one is that the SJWs will have a field day because of those allegations (not to diminish the nature of the claim, but I find the details highly suspect).
David Stern did more for the NBA and its players than Kobe did.
I grew up in LA. Kobe's death has hit us really hard. Maybe people who didn't grow up in an NBA city don't understand. We thought of him as superman and we couldn't fathom something like this could happen to him. The logo needs to be updated and I think right now is a good time to change it. If people are against updating it to Kobe, that is fine as well. His numbers should be retired by the Lakers even if he had not passed. They likely will name a street after him. What I don't understand here is the hatred towards the NBA and NBA players/fans/Lakers fans. It honestly is insulting to call this a knee jerk action. You don't have to like the guy, but you have to respect him. Myself, I'll always be a fan. He hung out near my university as he lives in my area, and anytime classmates and I have run into him, he couldn't have been nicer and more courteous. The guy has demons in his closet, sure. He has done a lot for the NBA and more for current players. There is a reason he is your favorite player's favorite player. It's because of the mentality he has created. But to say this is just NBA players and fans who want to use this to promote their brotherhood is short-sighted. The brotherhood is exactly why the NBA is great and I'm a college basketball>NBA guy. At the end of the day, this is a pointless argument. They likely won't change the logo and that's fine, but Kobe, should be memorialized and will be memorialized in a way that does justice to his career and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Well he was the commissioner for a very long time.. that was kinda his....job
What do you think? Update the logo
Kobe Bryant was obviously a major star in professional basketball but the NBA logo is an iconic part of the NBA brand and trademark. There is no need to change it. To be sure, what happened to Kobe, his daughter and the others who died in the helicopter crash was a brutal tragedy.
While Kobe is high up in the NBA record books, he is more recognized for his play with the Lakers. I’m sure the Lakers will recognize him appropriately. The NBA could name an award after him. However, Kobe, like some other celebrities, had a checkered past. He was once charged with raping a 19 year old girl in Colorado. This criminal charge was dismissed after the victim refused to testify. The girl subsequently settled a civil suit for a reported $2.5 million dollars. (See link)
Most damning to Kobe’s reputation was this admission during the criminal investigation:
"Eagle County Sheriff investigators first confronted Bryant with the sexual assault accusation on July 2.[1] During the July 2003 interview with investigators, Bryant initially told investigators that he did not have sexual intercourse with his accuser, a 19-year-old woman who worked at the hotel where Bryant was staying. When the officers told Bryant that she had taken an exam that yielded physical evidence, such as *****, Bryant admitted to having sexual intercourse with her, but stated that the sex was consensual.[2] When asked about bruises on the accuser's neck, Bryant admitted to "strangling" her during the encounter, stating that he held her "from the back" "around her neck", that strangling during sex was his "thing" and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. When asked how hard he was holding onto her neck, Bryant stated, "My hands are strong. I don't know." Bryant stated that he assumed consent for sex because of the accuser's body language such as her kissing him, putting her hand on his penis, and bending over, but that he did not explicitly ask for her consent during the encounter. Bryant later said that he believed his accuser was capable of saying no because during the encounter he asked her if he could "*** on her face", and she said no.[3][4" (See link for entire discussion.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case
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People aren’t saying it’s a knee jerk reaction because Kobe wasn’t a great player. They’re saying it’s a knee jerk reaction because no one was saying Kobe should be the logo a week ago. The NBA logo was hardly even talked about. The talk of Kobe being the logo is a response to people being very emotional about the tragic loss and wanting to honor him. I understand it, but by definition, it’s a knee jerk reaction. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad idea. For example, no golf fan is saying Tiger Woods should be the new logo for the PGA Tour. If something like this happened, then people would bring it up. That’s what the previous posters are referring to.
I was a Kobe fan. This is the first time a celebrity death affected me. He was the first player I remember watching and playing as in the driveway. The game will greatly miss him. I think he should be honored by the NBA. However, I don’t think he should be the logo. I don’t know what happened in that hotel room in 2003. I’m not going to crush his character because I don’t know all of the facts and whatever did happen he seems to have learned from it and became a better man. However, I don’t think the NBA can make him the logo in light of that. I think that’d create a lot of issues for the league and potentially sends a bad message.
I’d also feel uncomfortable with making him the logo because the pessimistic side of me would worry it’s a money grab by the NBA to take advantage of the tragic loss of Kobe. The intentions of the NBA players are certainly good, I’d just worry some business execs would have the money in mind.
If a woman has been kissing you, playing with your junk, and then bends over, are you gonna ask "Can I stick it in?" If it was such a terrible, traumatic experience for her, she wouldn't have taken the money, she would have testified against him and tried to have him convicted.
Kobe was great but to make him the logo sounds short sighted. Tragic as it was, I don't think they should make such a relatively permanent change based on the fact that he died so young. I guess if the NBA wanted to get slick they could change the logo every few years as some marketing ploy. Then alot of people get a turn. You would have a Wilt Chamberlain logo (which I think would be amazing), bill russell, jordan, lebron, etc. They could have fun with it I guess.
You are misrepresenting things. The only thing consensual that has been agreed upon is that she was voluntarily kissing him (but claims she then wanted to leave but he blocked the door and would not let her). "Playing with his junk" and "bends over" are nothing but your one-sided embellishment.
And, you know, consensual encounters generally don't end with one person covered with bruises and wounds that the medical examiners explicitly found were caused by non-consensual forced penetration ...as was the medical evidence in the Kobe case.
And consensual encounters also typically don't end with one side issuing an apology that sounds an awful lot like a confession that he knew what he did was non-consensual.
She did take the pay off, you're right about that. But, you know, lots of lolks would rather have a huge pile of money than be dragged through the pain of a media circus criminal trial. Taking civil settlement money in no way means one is lying, it's absurd to suggest it does. .
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"putting her hand on his penis, and bending over," That was copied directly from the post I quoted that was taken from the wiki page. Not my one-sided embellishment.
While most consensual encounters don't end with bruises, there are a lot that do. There's plenty of freaks out there that like getting smacked around, choked, etc.
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Had no idea so many here were concerned with the sanctity of the nba logo. Honestly never would have guessed it
Why just because he passed away in an accident??What do you think? Update the logo with a new Laker?
No. I copied from the post that I quoted. That poster copied it from Wiki.
The following is copied from the transcript of his conversation with the police.
"We were still only this close and she gets up and she gives me a kiss so I kiss her back and then you know I started caressing her or whatever and then she puts her hand on my you know my thing or whatever and it kinda goes from there."
"Theres um, a little um, chair, like a cushion where you sit down, and she had her leg up, she bent herself over like this."
Also, let's not forget that she was with someone else the same night and there are people who said she was bragging about his(Kobe) size.
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It would be stupid to do that, and so would retiring his number around the league. The man was a great basketball player only! His legacy has a serious stain on it! It's a terrible tragedy for everyone involved. I truly feel sorry for the families involved, but Kobe was in no way a role model that people should look up to. I just hope he changed over time and made things right with his Maker. He deserved forgiveness if he asked for it like we all do and all need from time to time.