The Lakers are free to change / do whatever they please , dont ask the rest of the league to go along .. Celtics retiring a Lakers number .. No freaking thanks
Kobe as new NBA logo?
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Why does it matter when and how they die?
Again, this is a emotional reaction.
The mavs can retire whatever number they want. League wide they should not
My knee jerk reaction is yes but after consideration, if the logo is to be changed, it should be Jordan. Kobe’s death is extremely tragic and sad but at the end of the day, Jordan is more worthy of being the logo.
Retiring a number across the league should be reserved for something truly remarkable or for someone who has really had a mega impact on the league. Far as I know MLB has only 1 number that is retired. That is Jackie Robinsons 42. What he did should be the reason to retire a number league wide
It matters because of who he was. This is not something difficult to understand.
How is it bigger than basketball?
What did he do outside of basketball or during his career that warrants retiring his number league wide?
You really need to go watch some videos that are viral right now about Kobe. You have no idea what your talking about.
Jordan will never be the logo of the NBA. He already has his own silhouette on his own brand.
I don’t see the Kobe logo happening . He was an immensely popular player in a players league but his legacy is immensely complicated by the rape allegations
I don’t see the Kobe logo happening . He was an immensely popular player in a players league but his legacy is immensely complicated by the rape allegations
In a time of Metoo, Harvey Weinstein, Larry Nassir, and Jeffrey Epstein, people really think this would be a worthy honor to bestow upon Kobe?
There is a "why not", but it's not cool to speak ill of the dead. Especially, if that person did everything in their power to make themselves a better person. The past still exists.
Again, why are we creating a controversy when there isn't one.
There is a "why not", but it's not cool to speak ill of the dead. Especially, if that person did everything in their power to make themselves a better person. The past still exists.
Again, why are we creating a controversy when there isn't one.
So if by some small chance Michael Jordan gets killed in a freak car accident in 6 months, God forbid, do we change the logo again?!
YOU are saying most devastating loss as your opinion. Red Auerbach's passing touched me much more than KB. History of the league covers quite a span of time.
I wouldn't oppose this at all.
Kobe is one of all time greats and died in a very tragic manner, at a young age. A lot of the players (like probably AD, Booker, Towns, etc) in the league today consider Kobe as much of an idol as Jordan.
To argue against this is moronic. To call it knee jerk is short sighted. All that said, it doesn't change anything because logo or not people are not gonna forget Kobe Bryant.
Kobe is one of all time greats and died in a very tragic manner, at a young age. A lot of the players (like probably AD, Booker, Towns, etc) in the league today consider Kobe as much of an idol as Jordan.
To argue against this is moronic. To call it knee jerk is short sighted. All that said, it doesn't change anything because logo or not people are not gonna forget Kobe Bryant.
I saw Kobe play. MJ, Magic were better. Why not retire thier jerseys?
Anything you do right now would be 100% emotional and a knee jerk reaction. If a year from now, it’s something the league wants to do, go for it.
For me, I’ll always compare any decision like this to MLB retiring 42. That was 37 years after Robinson’s death. I think something like retiring a number league wide or changing your league logo should be for a far bigger impact than just being a great player.
I think you missed the point. I'm not for it or against it. I just think it is moronic to oppose it and call it "knee jerk" considering Kobe's legacy to the game. Kobe is as important to this generation as Jerry West was to his AND he actually had a better career.
All that said, if I was voting I would vote for Jordan...
It wouldn’t bother me if they don’t change it.
It wouldn’t bother me if they did change it to Kobe
It wouldn’t bother me if they did change it to Kobe
Your right dude, basketball is more important than the lives of 9 beautiful people
Wildcatglenn apparentlywhat and who is it gonna hurt to change the logo?
what and who is it gonna hurt to change the logo?
All white guys 60 years and older....lol
Be careful, Lakers fans are an odd bunch, they still worship Lonzo Ball. These new dudes are controlled by their emotions like women. When you combine the 2 and have a young Lakers fan mixed with this Kobe tragedy, look out.
what and who is it gonna hurt to change the logo?
Who is it going to hurt? It's very apparent you and others haven't thought this through.
-This would drudge up his past(not just the assault, but his infidelity). It would keep his death at the forefront to where his family would be bombarded with news coverage from here to the moon. You really think they want to deal with all of that while they are grieving the loss of a child as well. This is a horrendous idea. Well-intentioned. Still horrendous.
It's a knee jerk thing because no one even considered it before Kobe's death. Now it's a thing only because of his tragic passing. It doesn't get more knee jerk than that.
Rape is funny to you? Sexual assault is alright because your hero can do no wrong?
Yikes, if I am not thinking then you are WAAAY overthinking this.
You think his death isn't going to be on his wife and kids minds forever? This would be an honor not a reminder...
I agree. I’ve been trying to think of some untimely sports related death that was analogous but I can’t think of one. Roberto Clemente was all I could come up with but, great as he was, he wasn’t the baseball equivalent of Kobe. I personally think it would be a good tribute to him, especially considering that Jerry West doesn’t seem to give a poop about being the logo anyway.
It becomes associated with infidelity and sexual assault. Come on. Think before you speak.
Him being the logo has 0 bearing on any of that. Social media and media in general will make sure of that.
I'm not a fan of changing an iconic logo and nor am I a fan of doing something like this as a knee jerk reaction to a person passing away.
But here's where I'll make an exception in Kobe's case:
Some might say that if there was going to be a person most responsible for changing the logo, it should have been Michael Jordan. I would counter that while Michael Jordan's game changed the NBA going forward, people have always dunked with incredible athleticism in the NBA. Elgin Baylor, another Laker, comes to mind.
Similarly, Jerry West dribbling signifies the move of the NBA toward a fast-breaking style, but West did not invent the fast breaking style. Rather, he solidified its existence like Jordan solicited the supremacy of athleticism in the NBA.
That's how I think of Kobe. He didn't invent dunking or fade-away jump shots or aerial acrobatics, but his bursting onto the scene in 1996 guaranteed that the Michael Jordan above the rim style of play was not going anywhere. The torch had been passed to a worthy player and Kobe wore that mantle proudly.
A change to a more dynamic logo than the one listed at the top of this thread would have a to be a starting point, however. Kobe merely dribbling does not make the case.
Far better to have an airborne Kobe, perhaps executing a patented fade-away jump shot. That I could buy into.
But here's where I'll make an exception in Kobe's case:
Some might say that if there was going to be a person most responsible for changing the logo, it should have been Michael Jordan. I would counter that while Michael Jordan's game changed the NBA going forward, people have always dunked with incredible athleticism in the NBA. Elgin Baylor, another Laker, comes to mind.
Similarly, Jerry West dribbling signifies the move of the NBA toward a fast-breaking style, but West did not invent the fast breaking style. Rather, he solidified its existence like Jordan solicited the supremacy of athleticism in the NBA.
That's how I think of Kobe. He didn't invent dunking or fade-away jump shots or aerial acrobatics, but his bursting onto the scene in 1996 guaranteed that the Michael Jordan above the rim style of play was not going anywhere. The torch had been passed to a worthy player and Kobe wore that mantle proudly.
A change to a more dynamic logo than the one listed at the top of this thread would have a to be a starting point, however. Kobe merely dribbling does not make the case.
Far better to have an airborne Kobe, perhaps executing a patented fade-away jump shot. That I could buy into.
You don't think people come out of the woodwork talking about his sexual assault case and infidelity against his wife if they plaster his silhouette on everything from T-shirts to whatever? It most definitely gets associated with that bad stuff.
1. Never found guilty of rape or sexual so you should think before you speak.
2. Yes he made an error in judgement and committed adultery...terrible, agreed and something I wouldn't do and don't codone. But his wife also forgave him and by all accounts he redeemed himself.
A man should never be permanently judged by their worst moment...