Programs that use to be relevant

RunninRichie

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I can understand that for someone under 40 Indiana seems as irrelevant and harmless as Morehead. And they have been since about the time Bill Clinton was first sworn in. But deep in the recesses of time they were THE rival for Kentucky's place on the throne of Greatest Program of All Time. And their fans were far more pestilent and rabid and foaming at the mouth than anything from Louisville. Let them ever get off the deck for even a season -- even an Elite Eight run -- and it won't seem so comical to you.
Indiana is light years away from even catching duke and they’re 3rd or 4th all time
 

RunninRichie

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I'm not sure what your point is. That is true now, obviously.

But in 1993 -- the year I referenced -- Indiana had a much better claim as a rival to Kentucky's place as Greatest Program than Duke or North Carolina. Duke had just won its only two titles and UNC would win its third that year. Indiana had 5 -- the same number as Kentucky. And Indiana had won one more recently than UK, and been to the Final Four more recently -- until the Cats went that year. The Hoosiers were arguably the program of the 1980s and appeared to be poised to challenge UK for years to come. And yes, if you were around then, the IUse2Be fans were the most obnoxious, aggressive, ugly fans in the country.
Ah I got confused I though you meant indiana would somehow start challenging Kentucky if they started getting deep tournament runs my bad
 
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RunninRichie

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I'm not sure what your point is. That is true now, obviously.

But in 1993 -- the year I referenced -- Indiana had a much better claim as a rival to Kentucky's place as Greatest Program than Duke or North Carolina. Duke had just won its only two titles and UNC would win its third that year. Indiana had 5 -- the same number as Kentucky. And Indiana had won one more recently than UK, and been to the Final Four more recently -- until the Cats went that year. The Hoosiers were arguably the program of the 1980s and appeared to be poised to challenge UK for years to come. And yes, if you were around then, the IUse2Be fans were the most obnoxious, aggressive, ugly fans in the country.
Kinda worried about unc though they could overtake us as #1
 

MdWIldcat55

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Kinda worried about unc though they could overtake us as #1
LOL. Never happen. They'll be lucky to make the tournament this year, and will fall farther back in third place in overall wins. Not much coming back if their two stars go pro, as expected. And Roy has never dominated with a freshman-laden team, as Cal has. Pretty soon they have to transition from Roy to a new coach, and that is a crap shoot.

Also -- whether they will ever admit it -- the GIGANTIC cheating scandal has tainted their DNA. I've known lifetime Carolina fans who were smug and supercilious about the "Carolina Way" and who tried to claim they had an edge over Kentucky as a program on moral grounds, based on the 1980s scandal in Lexington. That arrogance is completely erased. They know details like entire championship teams taking fake AF-AM classes and Rashad McCants admitting he did zero work while making the Dean's List will haunt them for decades.
 

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LOL. Never happen. They'll be lucky to make the tournament this year, and will fall farther back in third place in overall wins. Not much coming back if their two stars go pro, as expected. And Roy has never dominated with a freshman-laden team, as Cal has. Pretty soon they have to transition from Roy to a new coach, and that is a crap shoot.

Also -- whether they will ever admit it -- the GIGANTIC cheating scandal has tainted their DNA. I've known lifetime Carolina fans who were smug and supercilious about the "Carolina Way" and who tried to claim they had an edge over Kentucky as a program on moral grounds, based on the 1980s scandal in Lexington. That arrogance is completely erased. They know details like entire championship teams taking fake AF-AM classes and Rashad McCants admitting he did zero work while making the Dean's List will haunt them for decades.

I sure wish they had been sanctioned. If any program EVER deserv...
 

RunninRichie

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LOL. Never happen. They'll be lucky to make the tournament this year, and will fall farther back in third place in overall wins. Not much coming back if their two stars go pro, as expected. And Roy has never dominated with a freshman-laden team, as Cal has. Pretty soon they have to transition from Roy to a new coach, and that is a crap shoot.

Also -- whether they will ever admit it -- the GIGANTIC cheating scandal has tainted their DNA. I've known lifetime Carolina fans who were smug and supercilious about the "Carolina Way" and who tried to claim they had an edge over Kentucky as a program on moral grounds, based on the 1980s scandal in Lexington. That arrogance is completely erased. They know details like entire championship teams taking fake AF-AM classes and Rashad McCants admitting he did zero work while making the Dean's List will haunt them for decades.
LMAO good post bro just feel like we need to extend that title gap by 3 here soon some Carolina fans count that 1924 helms title and say they’re about to catch uk [roll]
 

Cats192

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I can understand that for someone under 40 Indiana seems as irrelevant and harmless as Morehead. And they have been since about the time Bill Clinton was first sworn in. But deep in the recesses of time they were THE rival for Kentucky's place on the throne of Greatest Program of All Time. And their fans were far more pestilent and rabid and foaming at the mouth than anything from Louisville. Let them ever get off the deck for even a season -- even an Elite Eight run -- and it won't seem so comical to you.

I don't disagree with you. I was moreso pointing out how some posters think it's funny to post year in and year out how irrelevant our rivals are--but if they're so irrelevant, why are we still going on and on about them?
 

Xception

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Lol. You are trying to flex and put the program down. Even with the last 20 years of mediocrity we are still a top 25 program. 6 Final fours isn’t “ mediocrity” by definition. You also used “we” as if you speak for the whole fan base. At the end of the day you’re just a normal fan.
My favorite part is when one of you wanted to ignore almost a quarter of a century to make it seem better. If you have to ignore the last 20+ years, that should tell you something. San Francisco has more titles than Arkansas but let’s ignore their recent plight. I made a comment and Arkansas fans are trying to flex because it hurt their feelings. My comment wasn’t even intended to be painful but now that I see you guys have the same character your team generally displays I’m glad it is.
 
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hotelblue

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Have they really fallen or just leveled out? I think Arkansas in the mid 90’s was way out of their norm. They’ve recently probably fell below their norm but are still closer to it than their pinnacle. If anybody disagrees then show me all the final fours or titles they have outside the mid 90’s.

Indiana is the bigger fall but their success is mostly wrapped up in one coach and they’ve done almost nothing outside the Knight era. Winning a game against UK is now considered a crowning achievement for that program. Butler is a better program and has been for awhile, Indiana is not coming back either. There’s nothing there that an elite coach couldn’t get at a better program, time has passed Indiana by.
from ‘77-‘93 they had 15 tournament appearances, 7 sweet 16’s, 4 elite 8’s, 1 FF. both iu and ark would take that success right now.
 
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Xception

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Win loss of 458 and 317 over the last 23 years averaging 13 losses, making the NCAA eleven times in the last 23 years is the epitome of mediocre. Ten of those 23 years not even making the NIT, zero postseason is mediocre.
 

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Southwestern Louisiana with Dwight “Bo Pete” Lamar made a nice run late 60s and early 70s.

North Carolina at Chapel Hill has not won a National Championship since 1993.
 

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Is it “use to be relevant” or

“used to be relevant” ?

Honestly want to know.
Well, that is a good one. I imagine both could be correct depending what your meaning is. In the context of this thread I would go with "Use to be relevant". However, for the other version you might say cheating is what UNC used to be relevant for around 25 years give or take. In the first example, Use refers to a point in time in the past. In the second example Used is a verb and refers to how the team acquired its so called relevance.

Just one man's $0.02. o_O
 
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My favorite part is when one of you wanted to ignore almost a quarter of a century to make it seem better. If you have to ignore the last 20+ years, that should tell you something. San Francisco has more titles than Arkansas but let’s ignore their recent plight. I made a comment and Arkansas fans are trying to flex because it hurt their feelings. My comment wasn’t even intended to be painful but now that I see you guys have the same character your team generally displays I’m glad it is.

San Francisco isn’t even in the top 50 in all-time winning percentage. You’re being purposefully obtuse. Tennessee football has been down a while too but is still widely considered a top 15 football program. Just because a school makes some bad hires doesn’t mean that the infrastructure or potential isn’t there to reach that ceiling again. Even if UK missed the tournament for the next 20 years straight you would still be a top 5 program.
 

Xception

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San Francisco isn’t even in the top 50 in all-time winning percentage. You’re being purposefully obtuse. Tennessee football has been down a while too but is still widely considered a top 15 football program. Just because a school makes some bad hires doesn’t mean that the infrastructure or potential isn’t there to reach that ceiling again. Even if UK missed the tournament for the next 20 years straight you would still be a top 5 program.
10 of the last 23 years with no postseason of any kind, whatever you had is gone. Haven’t gone past the first round in 23 years, cold hard truth. The thread is about used to be relevant, Arkansas is no longer relevant. Live in the past if you want, you are a mediocre program right now and have been for nearly a quarter of a century. That’s a very long time to do nothing and claim you’re somebody, quarter of a century.

Lol at comparing UK and Arkansas in any type of example, UK is the epitome of consistency and the poster child for excellence across decades or coaches. Arkansas had a couple of moments but there are thirty year olds that only know a poor Arkansas. You’ll never get back to the mid 90’s era, the press doesn’t work anymore and Arkansas couldn’t adjust to the post press era. You capitalized on a gimmick as UK did at the time, keep the memories.
 

Jamal Mercer

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Well, that is a good one. I imagine both could be correct depending what your meaning is. In the context of this thread I would go with "Use to be relevant". However, for the other version you might say cheating is what UNC used to be relevant for around 25 years give or take. In the first example, Use refers to a point in time in the past. In the second example Used is a verb and refers to how the team acquired its so called relevance.

Just one man's $0.02. o_O

Thank you
 

JunkyardHawg

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10 of the last 23 years with no postseason of any kind, whatever you had is gone. Haven’t gone past the first round in 23 years, cold hard truth. The thread is about used to be relevant, Arkansas is no longer relevant. Live in the past if you want, you are a mediocre program right now and have been for nearly a quarter of a century. That’s a very long time to do nothing and claim you’re somebody, quarter of a century.

Lol at comparing UK and Arkansas in any type of example, UK is the epitome of consistency and the poster child for excellence across decades or coaches. Arkansas had a couple of moments but there are thirty year olds that only know a poor Arkansas. You’ll never get back to the mid 90’s era, the press doesn’t work anymore and Arkansas couldn’t adjust to the post press era. You capitalized on a gimmick as UK did at the time, keep the memories.

You continue to pole vault over mouse turds trying to create hyperbole that isn't there. Nobody really cares about your opinion. It's irrelevant.
 

Xception

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You continue to pole vault over mouse turds trying to create hyperbole that isn't there. Nobody really cares about your opinion. It's irrelevant.
A 23 year old mouse turd that says Arkansas is irrelevant and my opinion matters or you wouldn’t be over here flexin’.
 
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JunkyardHawg

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A 23 year old mouse turd that says Arkansas is irrelevant and my opinion matters or you wouldn’t be over here flexin’.

LMAO i knew you were a child. Could tell by your avatar. LOLOLOL

I haven't flexed once. Your defense scares the hell out of me but i think we will beat you this year in Bud. Would that be flexing or just talking hoops?
 

Xception

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LMAO i knew you were a child. Could tell by your avatar. LOLOLOL

I haven't flexed once. Your defense scares the hell out of me but i think we will beat you this year in Bud. Would that be flexing or just talking hoops?
I laugh at Arkansas downfall to mediocrity, you really believe the early to mid 90’s just left. I know it hurts you to be irrelevant but that’s not my fault and it’s true whether I post it or not. Arkansas has made less than half of the last 23 tournaments and had no postseason for 10 of those years. You’re mad at the math, it hurts you that I’m pointing out the truth. You should address that problem instead of name calling and blaming an avatar.
 

JunkyardHawg

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I laugh at Arkansas downfall to mediocrity, you really believe the early to mid 90’s just left. I know it hurts you to be irrelevant but that’s not my fault and it’s true whether I post it or not. Arkansas has made less than half of the last 23 tournaments and had no postseason for 10 of those years. You’re mad at the math, it hurts you that I’m pointing out the truth. You should address that problem instead of name calling and blaming an avatar.

You are absolutely the most awkward wanna-be important fan I've ever run across. Not a single Rustled Jimmy on my end. I am literally laughing my *** off at every word you type.
 

Xception

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You are absolutely the most awkward wanna-be important fan I've ever run across. Not a single Rustled Jimmy on my end. I am literally laughing my *** off at every word you type.
No you’re not laughing and everybody knows it, you are very mad and want so bad to get even because I said Arkansas is mediocre. I’m literally laughing at the anger for nothing, you guys are super sensitive about the fall of your program. I’m glad Arkansas is irrelevant, now that is funny.
 

JunkyardHawg

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No you’re not laughing and everybody knows it, you are very mad and want so bad to get even because I said Arkansas is mediocre. I’m literally laughing at the anger for nothing, you guys are super sensitive about the fall of your program. I’m glad Arkansas is irrelevant, now that is funny.

 

KRJ1975

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Come on guys - under no circumstance is “use to be” correct.

It’s “used to be” 100 times out of 100.
 
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10 of the last 23 years with no postseason of any kind, whatever you had is gone. Haven’t gone past the first round in 23 years, cold hard truth. The thread is about used to be relevant, Arkansas is no longer relevant. Live in the past if you want, you are a mediocre program right now and have been for nearly a quarter of a century. That’s a very long time to do nothing and claim you’re somebody, quarter of a century.

Lol at comparing UK and Arkansas in any type of example, UK is the epitome of consistency and the poster child for excellence across decades or coaches. Arkansas had a couple of moments but there are thirty year olds that only know a poor Arkansas. You’ll never get back to the mid 90’s era, the press doesn’t work anymore and Arkansas couldn’t adjust to the post press era. You capitalized on a gimmick as UK did at the time, keep the memories.

I agree with the first paragraph, however I attribute our mediocrity to bad coaching hires while you seem to suggest it’s a program issue. Obviously if something has been done somewhere before it’s proven that it can be done again. There are teams like Auburn and Texas Tech going to final fours that don’t have near the fan support, facilities or cache for basketball that Arkansas does. Why? Because they have two of the best coaches out there.

Even as mediocre as Anderson was we still finished with the 3rd best record in the SEC his last 5 years only behind Kentucky and Florida. It’s not like we’ve necessarily been awful. He just could never do anything in the tournament.