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Not the coach. The owner of the team. Hes a billionaire who owns a horse farm in Lexington. His name is Kenny Troutt.
That's interesting. But billionaires are just like anyone else - capable of hearing what they want to hear in a story. In fact, maybe more so - since most folks, when in the company of wealth & power, are inclined to say what they think is expected of them to be said....

All of this is good news, but the standard rule of thumb applies. We're talking about a teenager. The idea that he's leaning to UK or perhaps has even made the decision could be 100% credible - and he might still change his mind at any point in time.....Doesn't mean anyone lied, just means he's a kid.
 
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Cal has done it several times,
Wall and Bledsoe
Harrison and Ulis
Ulis and Murray
Fox and Briscoe/monk
Green and SGA...
The only time it didn’t work out positively for both of the top guards was SGA and Green. But Green had injury issues his freshman year and bailed early last year. He also just wasn’t very good.
 
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The only time it didn’t work out positively for both of the top guards was SGA and Green. But Green had injury issues his freshman year and bailed early last year. He also just wasn’t very good.

Yeah, I think the main thing with Green was his lack of athleticism for his height and length.

Is he a good basketball player, yes. IQ, passing, shooting etc... but his stature required a little more quickness and ALOT more straight line speed. I am pretty sure he was one of the slowest guys on the team his freshman year during the pro day 3/4 court sprint. He'll probably carve out a nice college career and head overseas and it wouldn't surprise me if he got into coaching because he was one of the recruits that year that everyone liked.
 

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Just take it in, son, take it all in. I was a nervous wreck. But, damn it, I got my manhood back!

I was the original KING of one-and-done; just look at Bobby.


Well that really cleared things up. Meth is a bad thing. Get sober or get pulled over.
 

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We’ll celebrate with some of Mama’s finest squirrel, Bill. I also have water from a glacier in Alaska on tap.

All are welcome!
Just make sure Vicki Vallencourt’s invitation is not lost.

 
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I hope we get all the freshman that you have listed, but I just can't believe that we basically have 1 player coming back from this years team (unless they win the title!). I think you have to factor in Brooks coming back as of now. Now unfortunately for Quickley he is gonna be in a tough spot, unless he is ok playing a backup role again he will prob leave.

I kind of doubt Quickley would come back for a Junior season to be a backup. At that point, if we have 2 or 3 elite guards coming, it's ready or not let's try the draft. I think we're going to see a MASSIVE exodus after this season where we may only bring back Juzang, Allen, and maybe Brooks.
 

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Yeah, I think the main thing with Green was his lack of athleticism for his height and length.

Is he a good basketball player, yes. IQ, passing, shooting etc... but his stature required a little more quickness and ALOT more straight line speed. I am pretty sure he was one of the slowest guys on the team his freshman year during the pro day 3/4 court sprint. He'll probably carve out a nice college career and head overseas and it wouldn't surprise me if he got into coaching because he was one of the recruits that year that everyone liked.

Actually I thought one of the reasons Green couldn't play in addition to your point on athleticism was he was a horrible passer/lacked court vision. There was a reason the staff just told him to focus on scoring and never try to make a play. His passes were turnovers, and saw the game 3 plays late--never had good vision.

As far as an athlete, he was a chubby kid who lost weight and that made him better then he was, but he was still slow for his position. Good shooter but liability defensively and too much "hero" ball from him. That Sweet 16 loss where he took the shot was ridiculous. For all the gagging from PJ at the FT line, no way in hell that '18 team's fate should've been a 3pt shot from Quade Green. Now he'll get to play zone and be like a lot of Syracuse guards (that's where Hopkins coached and played prior to getting job at UW) who tend to get exploited as year progresses.
 
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Actually I thought one of the reasons Green couldn't play in addition to your point on athleticism was he was a horrible passer/lacked court vision. There was a reason the staff just told him to focus on scoring and never try to make a play. His passes were turnovers, and saw the game 3 plays late--never had good vision.

As far as an athlete, he was a chubby kid who lost weight and that made him better then he was, but he was still slow for his position. Good shooter but liability defensively and too much "hero" ball from him. That Sweet 16 loss where he took the shot was ridiculous. For all the gagging from PJ at the FT line, no way in hell that '18 team's fate should've been a 3pt shot from Quade Green. Now he'll get to play zone and be like a lot of Syracuse guards (that's where Hopkins coached and played prior to getting job at UW) who tend to get exploited as year progresses.

Thanks for the insight. Interesting. I really never noticed the passing - but I am just a casual fan, I watch the game and hardly ever watch again. Would love to have more time to breakdown games/players but that doesn't pay the bills :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

i am one heck of a youtube scout though... haha.

The Sweet 16 shot was an airball right? I think I was trying to block that from memory....lol
 
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Here’s my thinking on IF Askew and Cunningham both commit to UK. Right now I think in Devin’s mind he will stay 2021, he’s said it repeatedly. However, I think his Dad is of the mind that he goes 2020 and gets to practice with a super class, before becoming the best PG in the nation as a sophomore. Not that he won’t play, but his main role will be as the understudy to Cunningham. His Dad seems to see the big picture and would be OK with Devin playing 15mpg on a Final 4 team. The thing with Askew right now is his lack of physical maturity, and let me tell you I don’t think it’s a bad thing. He looks like he’s 15, I think he ends up growing to 6’5 or 6’6 by the time the season starts next year. Getting a year of acclimating to the college game while practicing with alphas and hitting the weight room, will mean he will be ready to lead the team, break out and become a top 10 pick the next season.

Agree 100%. Totally makes sense. Wish more of the kids who reclassified looked at it like they do not have to be a One and Done. They will get a hell of a lot more out of being a freshman at UK or anywhere really, as opposed to playing a SR. year in high school. Better routines, facilities, training, competition, and helps get adjusted to college basketball / life. If more kids would approach it like the freshman year was more of a prep for the college career, they would be a lot more NBA ready after 2 years. Not to mention the guys who are not the elite of the elites, are not getting max minutes their freshman year anyway.

High school final year / one year of college ball
or
prep year in college / 2nd year of college ball.
 
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If it’s done he needs to go ahead and commit. Until then, we don’t have him.
Exactly. Something tells me that it's not a done deal.

Cal needs to get Askew to commit, and then move on. Let Cade smoulder in what remains of the mystery. It seems most are saying Askew will come here, that would suggest he *wants* to be here.
 

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Green definitely did not live up to the Philly guard legend. He was not a bull dog, tough, grind it out do what ever it takes to win player. I truly think he (and not a knock on the kid, i really liked Quade), thought he was a lot better than he actually was and it would just come to him without hard work and dedication. Wasn't there a rumor about him being a bad influence on PJ ?
 

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AAU People in Texas, OSU staff, UNC staff........ they all have said they think its UK...

The question is............... is the OSU staff ........Cade's brother helping to just put smoke screens out like a lot of big time recruits do to hype up the announcement?

I wont get my hopes up just yet because I'm overly cautious but we do have a good legit chance of landing him unless the OSU staff is completely lying.
 
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Actually I thought one of the reasons Green couldn't play in addition to your point on athleticism was he was a horrible passer/lacked court vision. There was a reason the staff just told him to focus on scoring and never try to make a play. His passes were turnovers, and saw the game 3 plays late--never had good vision.

As far as an athlete, he was a chubby kid who lost weight and that made him better then he was, but he was still slow for his position. Good shooter but liability defensively and too much "hero" ball from him. That Sweet 16 loss where he took the shot was ridiculous. For all the gagging from PJ at the FT line, no way in hell that '18 team's fate should've been a 3pt shot from Quade Green. Now he'll get to play zone and be like a lot of Syracuse guards (that's where Hopkins coached and played prior to getting job at UW) who tend to get exploited as year progresses.

This.is.spot.on.
 

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If I'm the OSU staff and I'm on the hot seat, I absolutely do not put out smoke that the only reason to keep us in tact for next season might be up in the air.

I send as clear a message as I can that I delivered the goods and secured the recruitment so that I can be recruiting guys to play alongside him.
 

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I don't know anything about the recruiting process, I'm just a UK fan but I don't believe Cunningham is going anywhere to play any position but PG. Where does he and Askew both fit in if Askew commits to UK tonight and reclassify's to 2020? Is Askew gonna come in and backup Cade when he starts anywhere else? Clarke or Boston probably plays SG and the other SF. If Askew commits to us tonight it makes me wonder what's gonna happen with Cunningham.


I have read that Askew has said that he would have no problems playing with Cunningham.
 
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I have read that Askew has said that he would have no problems playing with Cunningham.
If you're reading the tea leaves, and that was actually stated by Askew, then it suggests that Cade is coming. Otherwise, it's the other way around: would Cade have problems playing with Askew?
 
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Really disagree with this. Askew is a top 10 player in his class and we’re one-and-done U. No parent of a top 10 talent is gonna say: “My son sure could go ahead and reclassify so he can hit the weight room and ride the pine for a year.” Lol, c’mon. Especially after last year and all the people who convinced themselves that Herro was a multi-year player when the glaring reality that the main/sole reason he came here was to be Devin Booker 2.0 and out of Lex ASAP.
Wow I completely disagree! If the original plan was for your son to play hs next season then a year of college after that then ur basically trading ur senior year of hs for a year of college at uk. He is not a 6ft5 typical nba pg and I am not even. Sure he would project as a one and done even with out reclassifying so as a parent I could def see the benefit of a two and threw! Pretty sure Askew's dad is a former athlete that would def understand not just the development advantage but the branding advantage! Makes alot of sense actually and let's be honest Herro, and Shai did go one and done but they werent expecting to when they signed at KY. Truth is I think Cal has gotten another diamond in the rough in jujang and if he shoots over 40 from 3 this season I could see us losing him one and done. It's harder for pg tho! Shai had ridiculously length for a pg that helped him
 
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AAU People in Texas, OSU staff, UNC staff........ they all have said they think its UK...

The question is............... is the OSU staff ........Cade's brother helping to just put smoke screens out like a lot of big time recruits do to hype up the announcement?

I wont get my hopes up just yet because I'm overly cautious but we do have a good legit chance of landing him unless the OSU staff is completely lying.
Motivations for each of those?

AAU: they probably know better than anyone
OSU: keep impending criticism at bay
UNC: make recruiting more difficult for Cal

I would go with anyone not affiliated with a hat.
 
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don’t forget Quickley


I don't know anything about the recruiting process, I'm just a UK fan but I don't believe Cunningham is going anywhere to play any position but PG. Where does he and Askew both fit in if Askew commits to UK tonight and reclassify's to 2020? Is Askew gonna come in and backup Cade when he starts anywhere else? Clarke or Boston probably plays SG and the other SF. If Askew commits to us tonight it makes me wonder what's gonna happen with Cunningham.
 

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the last part made sense but what you implied made no sense unless all UK recruits committed at or before Askew will (OCT). So does that mean those who committed after OCT didn’t really “want” to be at UK? Cade can’t want to be at UK but also wants to do his homework to make sure which is what all of us parents would tell our kid to do before committing to a college


Exactly. Something tells me that it's not a done deal.

Cal needs to get Askew to commit, and then move on. Let Cade smoulder in what remains of the mystery. It seems most are saying Askew will come here, that would suggest he *wants* to be here.
 
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the last part made sense but what you implied made no sense unless all UK recruits committed at or before Askew will (OCT). So does that mean those who committed after OCT didn’t really “want” to be at UK? Cade can’t want to be at UK but also wants to do his homework to make sure which is what all of us parents would tell our kid to do before committing to a college
What you say makes sense. No doubt these kids have very tough decisions to make. I was responding to the post that makes it seem that Askew knows Cade -- when no one really thinks Cade is coming to UK -- is here, and he's okay with playing alongside Cade. That post seemed to assume we're putting together some historic class, when we're (going on the past since 2014-15) nowhere near as elite in recruiting as we used to be. I'm just jaded, that's all. I would love to be proved wrong.
 

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Cal has done it several times,
Wall and Bledsoe
Harrison and Ulis
Ulis and Murray
Fox and Briscoe/monk
Green and SGA...
Also Quickly, Hagans, and Maxey. Funny, when you actually write it out, Cal has had multiple starting caliber point guards more of then than he hasn’t. Why would anyone think it can’t happen this time?

oh and in case anyone is curious, Chris Fisher logged a CB pick for Cade to Kentucky too [banana]
 
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Exactly. Something tells me that it's not a done deal.

Cal needs to get Askew to commit, and then move on. Let Cade smoulder in what remains of the mystery. It seems most are saying Askew will come here, that would suggest he *wants* to be here.
Obviously ky is on cades mind. Look at previous events and chatter. The big picture. It aint over yet. No... But might be lol. Thats for the cunningham's to know. And decide when time is right to announce.
 

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Actually I thought one of the reasons Green couldn't play in addition to your point on athleticism was he was a horrible passer/lacked court vision. There was a reason the staff just told him to focus on scoring and never try to make a play. His passes were turnovers, and saw the game 3 plays late--never had good vision.

As far as an athlete, he was a chubby kid who lost weight and that made him better then he was, but he was still slow for his position. Good shooter but liability defensively and too much "hero" ball from him. That Sweet 16 loss where he took the shot was ridiculous. For all the gagging from PJ at the FT line, no way in hell that '18 team's fate should've been a 3pt shot from Quade Green. Now he'll get to play zone and be like a lot of Syracuse guards (that's where Hopkins coached and played prior to getting job at UW) who tend to get exploited as year progresses.

As usual, RDF is spot on. Quade, at best, was a limited role player for UK. He was a spot up shooter, that could not pass.
 

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Thanks dave for the positive update and a little bit of playing it safe explanation of the aau push for cade and brown. Its good to know that influences in the ear. Seem to be ky. That cannot hurt here.
 
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