A recruit's Dad's perspective on message board talk..

[57stratdawg]

It's truly amazing that people don't think this kind of stuff hurts us. I mean, how hard is it to just not reply to recruiting threads if you don't have something nice to say?

I know if I ran a board, anyone bashing a recruit would get the banhammer solely based on that post you linked. It matters.

ETA: To add on, it's scary to think how many of the MSU recruit bashers are really OM fans causing the issue.

Do we bash recruits more than other fanbases?

 

[Heawww]

I didn't take up for Coach34 or Cadaverdawg.

But it's not surprising that you are all for us ripping up recruits on public message boards. Shocker.

 

[blacklistedbully]

not a very intelligent person. We get this. You keep pointing to this ONE case, and honestly, it doesn't prove anything.

For starters, it is what the dad said. Not the player. My statements all along have (as stated) been why the PLAYER feels a school is right.

Secondly, you're contention is that the negative posts we make drives recruits away (as you point to the dad's posts). If that were even the absolute truth in this specific case (Elijah), he wouldn't have committed to State. His dad said there were negative posts from State fans. So surely, they must have committed because of more important reasons, one with a brain would think.

I'm still waiting on you to highlight where I said talking negative about a recruit doesn't matter at all.

Where are all of these negative posts on recruits, anyway? I can't remember saying **** about recruits. I remember last year people said Moore was a track guy more so than a football player.

You're going to respond with your usual, meaningless drivel, so have at it. I'm done with you.

C'mon. Stating he is "not a very intelligent person", and attacking his point because he provided "ONE case" is actually an unintelligent comment.

Do you know in the world of business on average "only 4 percent of unhappy customers bother to complain. For every complaint we hear, 24 others go uncommunicated to the company—but not to other potential customers. 90 percent who are dissatisfied with the service they receive will not come back or buy again. To make matters worse, each of those unhappy customers will tell his or her story to at least nine other people. Of the customers who register a complaint, between 54 percent and 70 percent will do business again with the organization if their complaint is resolved. That figure goes up to 95 percent if the customer feels that the complaint was resolved quickly 68 percent of customers who quit doing business with an organization do so because of company indifference. It takes 12 positive incidents to make up for one negative incident in the eyes of customers." - From Harvey Mackay's Taking Care of Customers is Taking Care of Business.

We can logically assume the percentages are similar or worse for the parents of recruits and recruits themselves. It will be rare for a recruit or his parents to let you know they follow and are put off by message board comments. Any time one does let you know, you can bet your sweet *** there are many times more who feel that way but won't tell you.

 

[Arloguthrie]

Here's a good starting point. http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?3351-If-you-are-white-in-MS-watch-your-back

 

[121Josey]

I would like to know what the criticisms were on a three-star recruit: "VANDERBILT was dogging Elijah out on their blogs. That left a bitter taste in my mouth. I didn't want him up there." Could it have been that they have a trend now of signing Top 50 QBs and at the moment their commits are ranked 18th and 29th at their position (Scout). Clearly the board was making some good points that Vandy has its choice at QB.

If negative posts keep players from committing, I need to sign up for Nafoom and twitter and start trollin'.

Some people shouldn't go to message boards because they can't accept others opinions (others because they are Bear trolls). The reason I don't go to Elite Dawgs is because they'll say something blasphemous about Dear Old State.**

 

[HD6]

Copy and paste, I'll not give them the pageviews. You receive a one time show and tell exemption from the racism decree.

 

[hatfieldms]

You don't want to see it

.....

 

[ket7450]

When you type things out that read "That's how elite dawgs roll" do you realize how ghey you sound? Better yet, do your other personalities realize how ghey it is? And if they dont, should they?

Keep thinking it's a conspiracy, Goat. You have now become the definition of sheep.

 

[ket7450]

Surprise, Surprise..The link no longer works. 34 and his minions are busy at work deleting threads and limiting access.

On another note, this thread has the potential to become epic.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Might want to tell goat that. He's going beyond recruiting.

NMR.

 

[HD6]

Hugh Freeze's daughter went off (as far as 12-13 year old girl can) on Jeremy Liggins when he committed to LSU. Yancy bashed the hell out of him.

 

[AlSwearengen]

you have one hell of a hard on for C34. This is about recruits, not players or coaches or parents.

 

[HD6]

So once they sign, you can tell their mom to STFU. But not until they sign. Got it.

 

[Snog]

The answer to that question is hell no.

 

[57stratdawg]

The answer to that question is hell no.

Then what the f*ck are we talking about?

 

[Snog]

Brother, your guess is as good as mine.

 

[KurtRambis4]

See

you didn't even comprehend any of my posts. I've yet to see one post where I've said it doesn't have a negative result or that it doesn't matter.

 

[DAWG61]

I'm here for the gangbang**

 

[Arloguthrie]

IT is coming.

 

[AlSwearengen]

no, not at all. But if a thread ever needed to stay on point and posters to learn something it is this one.

 

[mstateglfr]

Depending on the 'bashing', I sway between agreeing that it hurts us and thinking its a terrible and weak excuse.

Vander Blue decommitted from Wisconsin partly based on how the fanbase was talking about him on message boards. They were going after his smarts and if he could qualify etc.

Thats iffy for fair game or off limits. If the recruit is borderline qualifying, then its not bad to talk about that. Getting personal isnt exactly a good idea, but at the same time, if he cant take criticism from his own fan base, how will he do when on the road at opposing arenas/fields?

I dont want MSU to have recruits who are so thin skinned that they cant get past and just ignore emotional outbursts by immature grown ups within the MSU fanbase. While the fans are in many instances mental midgets and incapable of acting their age, if a recruit cant handle anonymous criticism on a message board- are they ready for the high major D1 football/basketball? Are they ready for coaches who wont coddle, will criticize, and who demand excellence? Are they ready for the exposure and analysis on national TV? Are they ready to play in stadiums with 80000 fans who want them to fail?

Someone who says a message board is why they wont commit or decommitted, to me, isnt ready for whats coming.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

You know what else can be damaging?

A recruit or a player's parent interacting on a team's message board with fans. It can go south quickly. It's just never a good idea for the parent. And from what I can see, some of you basically lured him over from 247 to chat on erectiledysfunction.com.

If this were another schools recruit/parent, you'd be talking about how the parent was too involved.

Tell Mr. Parent about why you just deleted your political board. Or better yet, tell him about all the prejudice **** spewed there by about 90% of the posters.

 

[SignalToNoise]

I guess they cut him a big enough check that he was willing to forget about all that**

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

********. TOTAL ********.

Coach¾ does what he thinks is best for Coach¾

 

[HD6]

They have learned, they have learned that's OK to bash a player's parent, but not a recruit's. Great lesson there.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

I'm just catching up on this, but for the love of Freezus --is KurtRambis really getting bashed because he said the random rants of some lonesome loser on a message board isn't the same thing as a whole fanbase attacking a recruit? I believe the recruit's dad said he was being bashed by "Vanderbilt" and I think any reasonable, intelligent person would assume that meant more than one dipshit (probably a troll) saying something negative about a given recruit, which is what KurtRambis was clearly saying. So if we compare two RB recruits and say "I think we should emphasize S. Jones over B. Smith because Smith's time in the 40 is pretty slow compared to Jones" we are running off recruits? Weak.

 

[GutshotStr8]

You are saying this to the board that has always said ""

We wouldn't want any recruit who would let a message board influence their decision.

I and others vehemently disagreed, but the party line on Sixpack is that bashing recruits and our school is fair game. What many of you don't understand is that kids (17 you, yes kids) make emotional decisions at this age and something as insignificant as some moron keyboard bad asses comments can and oftentimes do represent the entire fan bases opinions to the recruit and in this case the family.

 

[Heawww]

I'd say everyone could learn a lesson here, including Coach34. That's what some of you that take this so personally don't realize (not necessarily talking about YOU particularly, DCD). Everybody is so quit to get defensive and go on the offensive, but it's really all about MSU with me. It doesn't matter WHEN you learn that lesson, just make sure you learn it. Now is as good of a time as any, especially when a recruit's father has literally posted on a message board that parents DO read message boards. Free ones especially.

 

[Heawww]

You know what else can be damaging?

A recruit or a player's parent interacting on a team's message board with fans. It can go south quickly. It's just never a good idea for the parent. And from what I can see, some of you basically lured him over from 247 to chat on erectiledysfunction.com.

If this were another schools recruit/parent, you'd be talking about how the parent was too involved.

Tell Mr. Parent about why you just deleted your political board. Or better yet, tell him about all the prejudice **** spewed there by about 90% of the posters.

I'm sure they thank you for reading.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Is it fair to bash an entire website because two posters (that are considered to be idiots by everyone) said some racist stuff that was widely disagreed with and then deleted by the mods? Didn't think so.


I mean, I'm embarassed by those two fans too, but it's not like MSU had to give up one of its longstanding traditions because the entire stadium refused to stop shouting a racist cheer, even when the admistration, coaches, and players repeatedly asked them to stop...

 

[KurtRambis4]

Well isn't

their a chance (big chance, apparently) a recruit or a parent of a recruit may see a message board going psycho on a current player/coach and be turned off by that?

 

[HD6]

Is it fair to judge an entire fanbase by one or two posters "bashing" a recruit (which nobody can link a thread to, I might add)? Didn't think so either. The holier than thou attitude displayed in this thread by some is hilarious, considering their leader.

 

[Maroon&Black]

I personally think you shouldn't bash our recruits or anyone else's. They are kids that will make mistakes ( including choosing the wrong college). If they commit crimes or make bad decisions that cause them to become ex -players, they're all fair game. At the same time, a kid that can score high enough on the ACT to play D1 football should be able to recognize legitimate criticism from the average poster and recognize Goat, 34 and others for what they are.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Is it fair to judge an entire fanbase by one or two posters "bashing" a recruit (which nobody can link a thread to, I might add)? Didn't think so either. The holier than thou attitude displayed in this thread by some is hilarious, considering their leader.

No, it's not fair. The vast majority of people who post on Elite Dawgs don't hate SPS or have any problems with it.

When there are good topics there, I read and post. When there's good topics here, I read and post. We all need to end this petty pissing contest.

 

[HD6]

Would calling a recruit that signed with Ole Miss an "Uncle Tom" be considered bashing? I need clarification.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

There's time for praise but there's also time for criticism. And that's where we are going to differ. If a player can't handle what is said by some anonymous person on a message board or booing at a ball game, then they have a problem. Does it go overboard sometimes? Yeah but people are entitled to what they believe.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

I don't support "bashing' kids, and I agree, they're kids, though a recruit reading this might think he's a man, so be careful not to offend.** I don't, however, think comparing stats, or saying "he's kinda small for an SEC DT at 215 pounds" is bashing. If you don't make it personal, what's the problem with pointing out strengths/weaknesses? They may be kids, but they aren't that stupid--they know if they are small, slow, etc. Crossing the line is when they (or their parents) are attacked personally just because they de-commit or visit another school. If you think about it, saying something positive about another recruit in the same position might offend a parent who wants the attention on their kid. **** happens.

 

[HD6]

Are there Six Pack diehards going to Elite Dawgs and starting stuff? Tell me who and I'll ban them.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Is it fair to judge an entire fanbase by one or two posters "bashing" a recruit (which nobody can link a thread to, I might add)? Didn't think so either. The holier than thou attitude displayed in this thread by some is hilarious, considering their leader.

Who was bashing a fan base? A little defensive aren't you? I think this thread was just posted so that EVERYONE that is a MsU fan could learn from it. It wasn't to try and say that "SPS is da debil". Why are you so damn concerned with 34? ****, could you just once put your arrogant attitude aside and see that this was for the better of MSU and its recruiting. It wasnt a plug for EliteDawgs. It was just an example of how message board talk matters in recruiting, since that comes up every year on every message board.

Some of you people need to chill out and realize that it has nothing to do with SPS vs ED, I like(d) both....but why can't we just agree as MSU fans that we need to monitor what's being said about recruits, without thinking you're being called out?

Just because Goat made a comment early in this thread, that doesn't represent the entire ED board. Several of us like both boards, is that ok??

And your right, maybe we all, myself, Coach, Goat, etc, learned something from this Dad's post over there. Is that ok?? Nobody was saying SpS bashes recruits....it was just a PSA to MSU fans. So the overreaction is completely unnecessary and pretty ridiculous.

 

[Maroon&Black]

I don't support "bashing' kids, and I agree, they're kids, though a recruit reading this might think he's a man, so be careful not to offend.** I don't, however, think comparing stats, or saying "he's kinda small for an SEC DT at 215 pounds" is bashing. If you don't make it personal, what's the problem with pointing out strengths/weaknesses? They may be kids, but they aren't that stupid--they know if they are small, slow, etc. Crossing the line is when they (or their parents) are attacked personally just because they de-commit or visit another school. If you think about it, saying something positive about another recruit in the same position might offend a parent who wants the attention on their kid. **** happens.

Agree.