A recruit's Dad's perspective on message board talk..

[CadaverDawg]

Turns out what you say on a message board DOES matter when it comes to recruiting. I think we could all do a better job of helping our recruiting by keeping our damn mouths shut instead of saying something negative. Regardless of whether you disagree or not, it should be about what's best for MSU in my opinion.

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?3569-Well-O-donnell-and-Washington-decommit/page4

Sorry to link an ELiteDawgs thread, DS, but I think this is one all of our fans should probably read.

Feel free to delete if you feel led to.

 

[Cow College]

Not saying we have to be sunshine pampers but this is probably the most visited state site and some posters take it a little far with concerns on some people.

Ironic it is on elite dawgs because I feel this place is much better since those people left.

Coaches however are complete free game because they are making a killing

 

[Heawww]

Edited to keep it fair. Why am I here, you might ask? To fight the good fight, somebody has to do it. We need all MSU fans, good and bad, to be on the same page.

 

[CadaverDawg]

For some reason I can't link it from IPad, so if anyone else could put the actual link it would be appreciated.

 

[Heawww]

Post for everyone to read:

"Fella's I dont mean to bud in but, as a recruits father. It does leave a BAD taste in your mouth when you read blogs and your kid is getting dogged out on it. To be totally honest, I didnt even go and visit Virginia, South Carolina and a few other schools because of what was said on blogs. VANDERBILT was dogging Elijah out on their blogs. That left a bitter taste in my mouth. I didnt want him up there. It was very refreshing when I got on the blog with you guys and you all asked question and got to know your recruit. I did see a few negative comments, but it was many more positive than negative. Now, I dont mind the critics. But its the bashing that makes you wanna de commit."

- Elijah Staley's dad

And yes, it is him, because that's how elitedawgs roll.

 

[missouridawg]

It's truly amazing that people don't think this kind of stuff hurts us. I mean, how hard is it to just not reply to recruiting threads if you don't have something nice to say?

I know if I ran a board, anyone bashing a recruit would get the banhammer solely based on that post you linked. It matters.

ETA: To add on, it's scary to think how many of the MSU recruit bashers are really OM fans causing the issue.

 

[Heawww]

You are talking about a board that thinks Extreme Dawg is cool.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I don't extreme even posts anymore.

Nm.

 

[CadaverDawg]

It's truly amazing that people don't think this kind of stuff hurts us. I mean, how hard is it to just not reply to recruiting threads if you don't have something nice to say?

I know if I ran a board, anyone bashing a recruit would get the banhammer solely based on that post you linked. It matters.

ETA: To add on, it's scary to think how many of the MSU recruit bashers are really OM fans causing the issue.

+1

 

[KurtRambis4]

Of all the

reasons kids may pick a school, I believe that what some random joe blow may say on a message board is somewhere near the bottom (of the list).

Personally speaking, I'd look at conditioning programs, ability to produce nfl players, winning program, offensive/defensive philosophies (depending on position), opportunity to play early, coaches, teammates, facilities, etc etc waaaaay before I even gave a damn about what some has been/never was ever typed online. Hell, CJ was assualted at the Egg Bowl by Whisky Alley.

Of course, that's just me. At the end of the day, neither side of the argument knows the truth of the matter.

 

[Heawww]

^^ Predictable response.

You just got proven wrong by a recruit's father. All the schools have that **** you mentioned, nobody is special. When all things are even are you going to go where you feel wanted or hated? Or anywhere in between?

 

[CadaverDawg]

reasons kids may pick a school, I believe that what some random joe blow may say on a message board is somewhere near the bottom (of the list).

Personally speaking, I'd look at conditioning programs, ability to produce nfl players, winning program, offensive/defensive philosophies (depending on position), opportunity to play early, coaches, teammates, facilities, etc etc waaaaay before I even gave a damn about what some has been/never was ever typed online. Hell, CJ was assualted at the Egg Bowl by Whisky Alley.

Of course, that's just me. At the end of the day, neither side of the argument knows the truth of the matter.

No offense, Kurt, but actually we DO know the answer and it is in the thread I linked above. And even if it's just this one kid, that's enough for us to keep our negative **** to ourselves in my opinion. And I would hope our entire fan base feels the same way.

And if someone doesn't feel the same way, I say they better not ***** about Mullen's or any other coaches recruiting, ever.

 

[Heawww]

Not much for him to say during baseball season. He'll be back for the first loss of football season. That was his last appearance, the Gator Bowl.

 

[Heawww]

This is all you need to say. If "one kid" is affected, it's worth it.

 

[AlSwearengen]

reasons kids may pick a school, I believe that what some random joe blow may say on a message board is somewhere near the bottom (of the list).

Personally speaking, I'd look at conditioning programs, ability to produce nfl players, winning program, offensive/defensive philosophies (depending on position), opportunity to play early, coaches, teammates, facilities, etc etc waaaaay before I even gave a damn about what some has been/never was ever typed online. Hell, CJ was assualted at the Egg Bowl by Whisky Alley.

Of course, that's just me. At the end of the day, neither side of the argument knows the truth of the matter.

Even if it is at the bottom of the list, we should be safe and just keep our mouths closed unless positive comments come out of it when talking about a recruit. Every year there are multiple reports in the media about message boards causing recruits to make a change. Even if it wouldn't be high on our list of reasons to pick a school, lets not risk it.

 

[dawgstudent]

That's funny considering someone's hatred of stansbury. Hell, he would post about stansburys recruiting tactics. Just depends on which agenda you want to push if its ok to post bad about MSU.

 

[HD6]

"Second biggest buyer of players in the SEC"=Caring about MSU.

 

[mcdawg22]

Yeah I much rather talk **** about our Senior

Maxwell award list running back who "doesn't get it done."

 

[Heawww]

At least he does it because he thinks it's best for MSU. I'll give him that much. He was at least half right. But I'm not here to back up Coach34, I've disagreed with him plenty.

I think we can all agree that there are times to bash a coach. Sherrill had his moments, so did Croom, so did Polk. I don't see the need to do that to a recruit or a player, unless they ask for ie get arrested, pull a Dontae, etc. Shouldn't need common sense to see when this applies.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I apologize,

Einstein, but I can't seem to find in my post where I said it doesn't matter at all. Can you please highlight that sentence and show me?

No **** everyone (SEC) has most of what I listed. However, it's the coaches job to sell it and make it stand out.

So you've got one recruit's dad to say it played a big (apparently) part. Grand. 100% truth. Case closed. Oh wait, though, I offered a case where a recruit was ASSAULTED by the fans of the school he committed to. What an incredible conundrum. Two opposite outcomes to (a few) fans acted negatively towards recruits.

I'd be willing to bet that if you asked every single last one of our players (and any other team) why they chose State, the vast majority of them would rank aspects such as conditioning/coaching/playbook/etc towards the top. Some jerk internet warrior's brain vomit would probably be somewhere near the bottom of this same list (if even at all).

Again, since you're a little slow, I'm not saying it doesn't matter AT ALL. Of course a blog/msg board post acting negatively towards a recruit can upset their fanily. This isnt exactly groundbreaking, Freud. I'm saying its not worthy of some message board crusade. One example does not prove you right.

Hell, I bet that if you asked this kid (I'm guessing it was Elijah, from above post) why he committed to State, he'd mention something about our program before he ever even though about saying something about a Vanderbilt blog.

If a kid chooses a school because of a message board post on another team's blog, they will probably not be able to handle getting booed for dropping a pass.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Maxwell award list running back who "doesn't get it done."

Yea because saying, "I love Ladarius Perkins, I just don't think he is an every down SEC back. More of a 3rd down back in my opinion"..,,is the same as saying negative **** about a recruit.

Seriously? Why did I think that possibly one time our fan base would just read it, learn from it, and move on. Should have known better.

 

[FirstPoetsThenSunDoggy]

Not familiar with the situation, but anyone who thinks that words don't matter has neither an imagination nor a memory. Almost not human, to put it in other WORDS.

 

[HamilReb]

Just wanted to say something.

Y'all use the word "elite" waaay too much over there.

Yall just throw it around, left and right. Y'all are watering it down.
Also, thanks for the daily laughs. Tell your buds to keep it up.

 

[Heawww]

I'd be willing to bet that if you asked every single last one of our players (and any other team) why they chose State, the vast majority of them would rank aspects such as conditioning/coaching/playbook/etc towards the top. Some jerk internet warrior's brain vomit would probably be somewhere near the bottom of this same list (if even at all).

Again dumbass, when all things are equal, people bashing them in public forums can make a difference. We have proof of that. The more you talk the dumber you look.

they will probably not be able to handle getting booed for dropping a pass.

Yeah, because that's what's supposed to be happening?

******* moron.

 

[Heawww]

Well this is one thing that we could definitely learn from you guys. You're the best at it. Well, that and the party I suppose. Eh, not really.

 

[dawgstudent]

Well you were defending him b/c you said some loved MSU more than people here. I disagree. Everyone has something that pushes their buttons. Just depends on what it is.

If Staley decommited a week before signing day - their would be some posts by some on all boards talking about him. Should it happen? No. He's a kid still in high school that has every right to change his mind.

 

[mcdawg22]

It wasn't about you. I don't talk **** about recruits. I don't talk **** about current players. And while those two things aren't equal, I'd like to think that if you went up directly to Ladarius Perkins and gave him your expert opinion about him being a third down back, he might find slight exception with that.

 

[Heawww]

If Staley decommited a week before signing day - their would be some posts by some on all boards talking about him. Should it happen? No. He's a kid still in high school that has every right to change his mind.

Big difference in talking about and bashing him. I would think grown men could keep their emotions in check. That didn't happen during the flip-gates of the last few years.

Edit: And maybe that was out of line about the two boards......given enough time, everything gets corrupted. So no, that probably wasn't fair to say.

 

[KurtRambis4]

You're just

not a very intelligent person. We get this. You keep pointing to this ONE case, and honestly, it doesn't prove anything.

For starters, it is what the dad said. Not the player. My statements all along have (as stated) been why the PLAYER feels a school is right.

Secondly, you're contention is that the negative posts we make drives recruits away (as you point to the dad's posts). If that were even the absolute truth in this specific case (Elijah), he wouldn't have committed to State. His dad said there were negative posts from State fans. So surely, they must have committed because of more important reasons, one with a brain would think.

I'm still waiting on you to highlight where I said talking negative about a recruit doesn't matter at all.

Where are all of these negative posts on recruits, anyway? I can't remember saying **** about recruits. I remember last year people said Moore was a track guy more so than a football player.

You're going to respond with your usual, meaningless drivel, so have at it. I'm done with you.

ETA: "when all things are equal"...nice. What a moron. Great comprehension, Einstein.

 

[Arloguthrie]

You'd better hope the recruits don't find the way to yall's political board. There's a certain irony to some of the things being said by the very posters who used to love to say certain things about Ole Miss. I'll just leave it at that.

 

[dawgstudent]

You ever been to a college football game? Grown men never keep their emotions in check. Even if they are typing on a message board.

 

[Heawww]

So that makes it right? I've cussed out my section plenty of times for booing our own team. It makes me sick to my damn stomach. But you're right it ain't changing, I've seen it year after year after year after QB after coach etc etc etc.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I don't think anyone

thinks that words don't matter.

 

[HD6]

Coach34 on Tyler Russell's mom's comments about message boards.

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?100450-From-Russell-s-mom-on-genes&p=820050#post820050

Coach34

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Originally Posted by CEO2044
No, but if you've ever really coached anyone before



I've coached and you know it. Stop with your ********.

Fans are always going to say things they shouldnt to players and coaches. It happens everywhere. She needs to stfu and move on. Her son is going to hear the cheers of a champion next year- and the ire of an angry mob as well. That is sports ​

So yeah.......
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[Online Celebrity]

Coach34 on Tyler Russell's mom's comments about message boards.

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?100450-From-Russell-s-mom-on-genes&p=820050#post820050



So yeah.......
[/INDENT]

What does that have to do with recruiting? CoachCamp's post is about recruiting.

 

[HD6]

Now, now, no breaking Rule 14 Coach.

 

[ket7450]

You are talking about a board that thinks Extreme Dawg is cool.

And you're defending a board that thinks your cool. And your boyfriend Cadaver too.

I don't know Dawgstudent or HD6 from anybody else. But if no one else is going to defend this board, I will. Some of the funniest **** I have ever read on message boards has been on this board. I know it's a State board but sometimes it's nice to hear dissenting opinions. If you want to be mad at someone that has hurt Ms State look no farther than your fearless leader, Douche34. I'm sure it made Stansbury's job easier when 34 was shooting off at the mouth.

And Goat..you really are something. There are all kinds of threads where you and Coach got into it. I'm not complaining because it was like two mentally challenged kids fighting but the point remains that at one time you hated 34 as much as everyone else. You've come full circle. You're now defending him on Sixpack because you think some kid is going to decommit because someone said he ran slow. I think your other personalities are going to be upset with you in the morning.

It's pretty disappointing that someone is such an *** that they link another message board to this one. Cadaver and Goat- you're both asses.

 

[HamilReb]

Too late for that. We have hundreds of screens shots already.

But we won't use them unless its necessary. Unlike some people, we don't speculate and
and write blogposts and send out tweets every hour on the hour about certain things.

That whole site is nothing but trash.

 

[DerHntr]

Again dumbass, when all things are equal, people bashing them in public forums can make a difference. We have proof of that. The more you talk the dumber you look.

Yeah, because that's what's supposed to be happening?

******* moron.

I laugh everytime your dumb *** types "everything being equal" when discussing recruiting.

 

[HD6]

Be a friend, show us one.