Will Cal go after a reclass?

Nooneputsbabyinacorner

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Potential NBA players and championships kinda goes hand in hand. I know there are some instances where junior senior dominated roster has won it but it seems like it doesn’t happen often.

When does it not happen? I can only think of Duke with the Okafor class and Kentucky 2012.
 

bucsrule8872

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It will be interesting to see what Cal does.

He said he is good with this roster as is, if no else comes in.

We will see if he sticks with that if Blackshear goes elsewhere.

Personally, I'm good with the roster we have.

We will play a "4 out, 1 in" most likely.

Probably play a lot of small ball.

To tell the truth, we have so much talent right now I am wondering how Cal keeps everyone happy with their minutes?
 
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track42

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It will be interesting to see what Cal does.

He said he is good with this roster as is, if no else comes in.

We will see if he sticks with that if Blackshear goes elsewhere.

Personally, I'm good with the roster we have.

We will play a "4 out, 1 in" most likely.

Probably play a lot of small ball.

To tell the truth, we have so much talent right now I am wondering how Cal keeps everyone happy with their minutes?
Everywhere but the frontcourt we are very talented.
 

The_Catfather

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Every player denies they're reclassifying until they do. At this point, Cliff Omoryuri could be a good option. Raw as hell, but can block shots and be an energy guy off the bench. Good insurance for a potential injury and the inevitable bad whistle in road games. He loves Cal and could be a lock for our 2020 class anyway. Get him in as a backup, and have a good head start for 2020 when the next mass exodus comes.

He's not a guy you can feed the ball to but the pickings are slim at this point. He's built like a brick ********* and can certainly fill a role as a defender/shot blocker.
 

kybassfan

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PJ was also good his freshman year and really improved.Nick played poorly his first 2 seasons and EJ his freshman year.

Ok, they suck and should just quit because you said so.

PJ pretty well got dog cussed by some of our low brow fans his freshman year. Nick and EJ are both far better than you give them credit for. Not to worry, I don’t expect you to be able to see that.
 

track42

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Ok, they suck and should just quit because you said so.

PJ pretty well got dog cussed by some of our low brow fans his freshman year. Nick and EJ are both far better than you give them credit for. Not to worry, I don’t expect you to be able to see that.
PJ averaged 10.8 points and lead the team in rebounds his frosh year.Nick 4.0 points and 3 rebounds last season.Ej 3.8 points and 4 rebounds.Yes that is really the same.
 

bucsrule8872

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Every player denies they're reclassifying until they do. At this point, Cliff Omoryuri could be a good option. Raw as hell, but can block shots and be an energy guy off the bench. Good insurance for a potential injury and the inevitable bad whistle in road games. He loves Cal and could be a lock for our 2020 class anyway. Get him in as a backup, and have a good head start for 2020 when the next mass exodus comes.

He's not a guy you can feed the ball to but the pickings are slim at this point. He's built like a brick ********* and can certainly fill a role as a defender/shot blocker.

I personally think Dante is our best option, if we miss on Blackshear and Cal wants another big.
 
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ukmelanie

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Former 5-star McDonald's All-American Sophomore E.J. Montgomery.

Former 5-star McDonald's All-American Junior Nick Richards.

Second ranked Grad Transfer Nate Sestina.

The post doesn't look barren, by any stretch.
But I don't think being a Mcdonald's all American means much since college is another game.Just look at Bolden at Duke being ranked so high but he did nothing and went undrafted.
 

RastasDaddy

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At this point Nick Richards is what he is after 2 years and that is 7 feet of suck. EJ on the other hand i believe can have a PJ-esque jump.
 

The_Catfather

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I personally think Dante is our best option, if we miss on Blackshear and Cal wants another big.

Yeah Dante would be priority No. 1 for me. I keep hearing Oregon and LSU buzz with him though. Naz Reid not getting drafted can't help LSU (and we all know if Reid could've walked and chewed gum at UK he'd have been a first-round pick).

I feel pretty good about EJ developing into a 10-12 ppg/7-8 rpg guy and we'd be in good shape with that. People are acting like he's garbage but he showed some good flashes last year. No reason to think he can't be a consistent scorer with an offseason developing strength and confidence. I'd just like to have another big man in case of an injury and the mysterious **** whistle we get in big games.
 

bucsrule8872

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PJ averaged 10.8 points and lead the team in rebounds his frosh year.Nick 4.0 points and 3 rebounds last season.Ej 3.8 points and 4 rebounds.Yes that is really the same.

In Montgomery's defense, Washington had to compete with Gabriel and Killeya-Jones for minutes, while Montgomery had to compete with Washington and Travis for minutes. Big difference. Washington was the top post option as a Freshman, Montgomery was the third option in the post as a Freshman. Washington played nearly twice as many minutes as Montgomery, so it makes sense that he scored more points.
 
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Flipflopsandsocks

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PJ averaged 10.8 points and lead the team in rebounds his frosh year.Nick 4.0 points and 3 rebounds last season.Ej 3.8 points and 4 rebounds.Yes that is really the same.
So Nick can't improve? Are you saying Cal really does need ready made players and just rolls the ball out?
 
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Eastkybball

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So we cant develop players here? Our coaches need ready made players?
Not what I said, sandcock! Some players have a hard time adjusting to college. I hope Nick improves but it’s his 3rd year and if we want to be legit title contenders we need Blackshear.
You can’t depend on flashes of good play from EJ, we need a go to scorer and KB has proven himself.
Plus he adds experience!
Now go flipflop your brain for a comeback.
 

kybassfan

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PJ averaged 10.8 points and lead the team in rebounds his frosh year.Nick 4.0 points and 3 rebounds last season.Ej 3.8 points and 4 rebounds.Yes that is really the same.

I didn’t expect you to understand. It’s beyond some.
 

Nicholascat

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At this point Nick Richards is what he is after 2 years and that is 7 feet of suck. EJ on the other hand i believe can have a PJ-esque jump.
There has been tons of bigs who didn't come into their own until their junior year. It's like some of you don't know anything about college basketball.
 
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JayCatz44

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Not what I said, sandcock! Some players have a hard time adjusting to college. I hope Nick improves but it’s his 3rd year and if we want to be legit title contenders we need Blackshear.
You can’t depend on flashes of good play from EJ, we need a go to scorer and KB has proven himself.
Plus he adds experience!
Now go flipflop your brain for a comeback.
What teams are better title contenders than UK right now?
 

It'saDoneDeal

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How f'n stupid would a kid have to be to want to reclassify just to sit the bench at UK? C'mon guys.
 

Nooneputsbabyinacorner

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Not what I said, sandcock! Some players have a hard time adjusting to college. I hope Nick improves but it’s his 3rd year and if we want to be legit title contenders we need Blackshear.
You can’t depend on flashes of good play from EJ, we need a go to scorer and KB has proven himself.
Plus he adds experience!
Now go flipflop your brain for a comeback.

Blackshear proved himself over the course of three years and will be going into his fourth year. You are given EJ one year and Richards two.
 

Eastkybball

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What teams are better title contenders than UK right now?
What teams are better title contenders than UK right now?
It don’t matter, the best teams don’t usually win the title my friend. You need a dominant team to erase all doubt! And since we are not only facing college teams but a biased ncaa, we need all the help we can get.
If KB doesn’t commit, we will still be in good shape but all it takes is foul trouble and a rooferee to end our season. Does anybody want #9?
 

Flipflopsandsocks

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Not what I said, sandcock! Some players have a hard time adjusting to college. I hope Nick improves but it’s his 3rd year and if we want to be legit title contenders we need Blackshear.
You can’t depend on flashes of good play from EJ, we need a go to scorer and KB has proven himself.
Plus he adds experience!
Now go flipflop your brain for a comeback.
Most players have a hard time adjusting to college, it's a huge transition from high school. Only clown fans on Cats Illustrated are willing to throw them in the trash instead of waiting for them to develop.

You begging for a guy in Blackshear who took time to develop but arent willing to give our own guys time to develop. You think Cal needs ready made players and cant develop apparently if you think we cant depend on 3 5 star McDonald's All Americans in their JR and SO years.
 

Eastkybball

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Blackshear proved himself over the course of three years and will be going into his fourth year. You are given EJ one year and Richards two.
They may be the best bigs in college next year, I don’t know. I would just like to have a fourth year Blackshear, because he’s already proven.
 

Nooneputsbabyinacorner

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It don’t matter, the best teams don’t usually win the title my friend. You need a dominant team to erase all doubt! And since we are not only facing college teams but a biased ncaa, we need all the help we can get.
If KB doesn’t commit, we will still be in good shape but all it takes is foul trouble and a rooferee to end our season. Does anybody want #9?

Last year, Reid was the "missing piece". This year it's Blackshear? Highly unlikely. Kentucky is deeper than 95% of the teams in Division 1 next year with its current roster.
 

bucsrule8872

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It don’t matter, the best teams don’t usually win the title my friend. You need a dominant team to erase all doubt! And since we are not only facing college teams but a biased ncaa, we need all the help we can get.
If KB doesn’t commit, we will still be in good shape but all it takes is foul trouble and a rooferee to end our season. Does anybody want #9?

Adding Blackshear would help the team, but injuries and bad officiating are just things that you can't safeguard against. Adding Blackshear just won't save us from a bad ref or an injury.

Blackshear fouls out with 6-7 minutes to go in a tight NCAA game and we are still stuck with Richards at the 5 to get us a win.

Depth doesn't save you from injury. You lose your best player and you probably don't win the title. Adding Blackshear won't help us if Hagans or Maxey get injured.

Adding Blackshear improves our talent, but it doesn't make us unbeatable.
 

caneintally

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Adding Blackshear would help the team, but injuries and bad officiating are just things that you can't safeguard against. Adding Blackshear just won't save us from a bad ref or an injury.

Blackshear fouls out with 6-7 minutes to go in a tight NCAA game and we are still stuck with Richards at the 5 to get us a win.

Depth doesn't save you from injury. You lose your best player and you probably don't win the title. Adding Blackshear won't help us if Hagans or Maxey get injured.

Adding Blackshear improves our talent, but it doesn't make us unbeatable.
Great post . Either way we are a top 2 team next year and the hands down most talented one .
 

Eastkybball

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To whom it concerns.
Adding Blackshear does not guarantee us a title, I never said that. I never said Cal can not develop players or that we need (ready made) players lol.
Neither did I say that I was giving up on EJ and Nicks development, I believe they will be better.
I know we already have a very deep team.

I just really want KB because for one he’s a big, he can score, rebound, and defend. He can help us bring it home, but since you 4 posters are content with what we have, I agree to disagree. We need him!
 

jessieshorts8

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In Montgomery's defense, Washington had to compete with Gabriel and Killeya-Jones for minutes, while Montgomery had to compete with Washington and Travis for minutes. Big difference. Washington was the top post option as a Freshman, Montgomery was the third option in the post as a Freshman. Washington played nearly twice as many minutes as Montgomery, so it makes sense that he scored more points.
EJ had his chances with both PJ and Travis being hurt but did nothing with it.Pj was just a better player as a freshman and never looked lost like EJ did last season.I'm not saying the kid won't improve because I think he will but I just don't see him bein an all American next year like PJ.
 

bucsrule8872

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What if Montgomery produces at the same rate as last year, but doubles his minutes?

Montgomery averaged nearly 4ppg, 4rpg in 15mpg.

I would take nearly 8ppg, 8rpg from him in 30mpg.

I think that is a pretty realistic expectation.

Add one more basket a game and 10 and 8 is Travis type production.
 
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Nooneputsbabyinacorner

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EJ had his chances with both PJ and Travis being hurt but did nothing with it.Pj was just a better player as a freshman and never looked lost like EJ did last season.I'm not saying the kid won't improve because I think he will but I just don't see him bein an all American next year like PJ.

The post is the hardest position to transition to out of high school. Many of these kids that are 6'8 and above are playing high school ball against kids 6 feet and under and whom they out-strength by a wide margin. (AAU ball is a glorified pick-up game). Many times they lack basic fundamentals of how to play in the post. When they get to college, they have to learn to play the post and score against players their own size and with anywhere from a year or more of college strength and conditioning and maturity.

To give up on a post player after one or two years is ludicrous.
 

bucsrule8872

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EJ had his chances with both PJ and Travis being hurt but did nothing with it.Pj was just a better player as a freshman and never looked lost like EJ did last season.I'm not saying the kid won't improve because I think he will but I just don't see him bein an all American next year like PJ.

Even when Montgomery started, he was not the first option in the post. He had Washington beside him when Travis went down and then he had Travis beside him when Washington went down.

Now, I am not saying Montgomery was as good as Washington, just pointing out that it isn't fair to compare the two because Washington had way more opportunities on a much weaker team (IMHO) than Montgomery as Freshmen.
 

bookerfan66

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Even when Montgomery started, he was not the first option in the post. He had Washington beside him when Travis went down and then he had Travis beside him when Washington went down.

Now, I am not saying Montgomery was as good as Washington, just pointing out that it isn't fair to compare the two because Washington had way more opportunities on a much weaker team (IMHO) than Montgomery as Freshmen.
I expect EJ to be a 10 and 8 guy but my hope was him playing the 4 and Blackshear the 5.I just don't have faith in Nick at all with his foul problems and poor hands.I've read Sestina is not a good defender and I wonder how he will be against top teams.I guess Brooks could play the 4 but he seems very skinny.
 
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bucsrule8872

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I expect EJ to be a 10 and 8 guy but my hope was him playing the 4 and Blackshear the 5.I just don't have faith in Nick at all with his foul problems and poor hands.I've read Sestina is not a good defender and I wonder how he will be against top teams.I guess Brooks could play the 4 but he seems very skinny.

Take a look at Whitney. He's 6'7 and built like a brick wall. He's got to be pushing 215 by now. Maybe bigger.

He might end up being a stretch 4 in a small ball lineup.

Brooks is also an option at 6'8, 200-ish. He's a little on the skinny side, but seams longer than Whitney.

Throw in Sestina as a stretch 4 as well.

I would rather play four guys with perimeter skills around one big man than play two bigs anyway.

Let Montgomery and Richards split the minutes at the 5 and put the skilled wings around them.

I think getting Blackshear changes the way we play, though.
 
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