Z. WISE
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I have some stories of kids who struggled to get there.....and they were trying.
That's just crazy. Maybe it is Ca. Every kid I know out here in public school has a 4.0. It seems like a joke.
I find The fact that you repeatedly make definitive statements about things you have zero understanding of or knowledge about mind boggling. Add in The fact that you are an educator who does this and it’s downright scary.
Many of these kids screw themselves by absolutely bombing 9th grade. Long before they ever think they have a shot at college.
The condescension here is staggering.
This is more common than you’d think. I know a kid who was ineligible out of Hs because his freshman credits weren’t approved. His parents wanted him out of his city HS and put him in an approved charter school. Problem was the charter was approved by NJ and not the NCAA.
Honestly it isn't. Maybe it is just the cesspools in Ca. that are public schools. They are a joke out here.
A number of kids also don’t get that state graduation requirements are not the same as NCAA clearinghouse requirements (which are more rigorous). Phys Ed, Basic Skills and certain electives do not count towards the 16 required classes...and you make an excellent point above. I’ve seen kids fail core classes freshman year, not go to summer school with the intent of redoing it the next year, and painting themselves into a corner because they seem to refuse to recognize that the retake class displaces another class on the schedule and still leaves them behind on credits...and I’ve also seen kids settle for D’s and C’s in classes/ academic electives because ‘whatever, I’m passing’ and then once they realize they have a shot at a scholly, they realize that GPA matters.
Joe P.
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Says it was posted at 5:15 today and updated at 7:43 pm
Also from the linked article:
Rutgers announced six signees to cap the traditional National Signing Day - three transfers who were already on campus and three high school players who sent in National Letters of Intent on Wednesday. Those six players join 16 signees who were already announced in December during the early signing period.
Few things. Some kids have no idea at 14 they have a shot at college. Damage is done
Some Hs schools have no idea how recruiting works
Alot of assumptions being made here...haven't read or heard where anyone said there is an issue with his grades.
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It's not even about recruiting. It's about a school's responsibility to their kids. Doesn't matter how much the kid can bench or what his time is in the 40. It's a school's responsibility to steer the kid towards at least fulfilling graduation requirements.
You are so right regarding freshman. It has to be drill into them early on in 9th grade that EVERYTHING counts now that you've started high school.
Remember this the next time the NJEA puts on one of their propaganda pieces regarding New Jersey's great schools.
Before all you teachers out there get your panties all tied up in knots I know the final responsibility rests with the athlete but I'll bet that if you got a peek at his transcript most of the troubles are early on in his academic career.
Where did you hear this? Or did you just make it up based on what you surmise is going on?
Both. At Weequahic High School one year apart. 2014 - 2015.
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...how do you know school staff doesn’t do any of this? Kids don’t qualify from all kinds of schools; we just had that DE from DePaul not qualify a few years back; do you think no one mentioned anything to that kid until his jr/sr year? You also have to consider the GPA to SAT/ACT ratio factor as well.
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NJ graduation requirements and NCAA clearinghouse requirements are two different things
Sounds like a smart move by Rutgers. If he improves his grades and qualifies he is coming here, if he doesn't, we can move on without losing a scholarship.
Just to follow up, the issue now seems to be how long does Rutgers wait for him to get his grades in order.
Isn’t he a spread type QB as opposed to a pro style player? Are we signing him as a qb or as an athlete?
Poor grades from a Newark public hs isn’t a great way to start at RU. May have to bulk up the tutoring staff.
yeah, while I fully get Rutgers not announcing a kid (cause if they do, they 'lock in' one of the 25 slots), I don't get why Wise didn't sign his NLI. I suspect it has something to do with ensuring he (or Rutgers) isn't locked into anything.
this situation is definitely a non-traditional one...
This is non-traditional to Rutgers, but I feel that the bigger programs deal with this type of issue all the time.
Different circumstances. The kids who go parochial and don’t qualify all have one thing in common. They didn’t start at a parochial high school.
That can be more common than not though it’s not always a failure on the public school’s part. I’ve seen kids transfer in to a public school from other fairly strong public schools, yet they’re still behind 15-20 credits...and when you look into it further you find out that the other school was basically doing cartwheels trying to support the kid/family.
Joe P.
I'm not putting blame on the school. I simply stating why it happens. I know exactly who your were referring to and it was the kids freshman year that killed him
and to expand on that, many schools are more concerned about kids graduating for their numbers than kids actually learning something. NCAA clearinghouse has strict requirements. Way more strict than NJ. Most parochial kids have met a majority NJ graduation requirements by the end of their junior year or xmas of senior year the latest.
these numbers are appalling:
https://www.greatschools.org/new-jersey/newark/1317-Barringer-High-School/
A lot of it goes back to the educational missions of public and parochial schools. The goal of public HS isn’t necessarily to prepare every kid for a 4-year college; it has to support the kid who wants to go to a 4-year college, the kid who wants to start at/ go to a 2-year school, the kid who wants to work in a vo-tech field and the special-needs student whose disabling condition(s) create a fair amount of complexity. Parochials (besides the faith-based components) seem to focus more on college prep, which can be a great selling point. NJ is actually among the more rigorous states in terms of HS grad requirements. I’ve seen kids move in from other states where they were on pace to graduate only to find out they were missing 2-4 classes that NJ requires.
Joe P.
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New Jersey really has two school systems, one good one bad, almost as segregated as the Jim Crow south.
and which one spends the most money per student?
You can easily look up the list for yourself and see that there is no simple answer. Some wealthy districts spend a great deal per student (Franklin Lakes, for instance, spends much more than Newark). Many underperforming urban districts do spend a lot, though, like Camden, for obvious reasons that I'm sure I don't need to explain.
None of this, however, has anything to do with the fact that IN GENERAL (not in every case, of course) white students attend good high schools and black and Hispanic students attend much worse high schools. Weeqhuaic and Barringer, mentioned in this thread, have like 2 or 3 white students between them.