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Good point about Zoubek. For 3+ years he was looked at as a 7 foot tall waste, and we know what happened midway thru 2010. No one knows for certain how good we will be offensively, but if we do put the ball in the basket really good then a guy like Vrank could be a plus. He hustles and seems to understand the game, but for his 2 years at Duke, has been caught in the numbers game. I think Vrank will be a good role player, and the better the others are, the less pressure on him. Same as the Zoubek scenario.
Already addressed but it's amazing how we can't have a title run with Vrank yet Zoubs helped lead to the 2010 title.
Never said we couldn't...just don't think we can IMO
Yes my opinion only...if you don't agree that's fine...it don't bother me
Yes my opinion only...if you don't agree that's fine...it don't bother me
I don't understand the Zoubek to Vrank comparison at all.
Zoubek was a 5-star center, #24 player in the nation per rivals. I think it's fair for a 5-star player to take heat if he isn't contributing (much less not contributing his junior year.) Luckily we eventually got to see what a healthy 5-star big-man was capable of.
Vrank was an unranked 3-star recruit who has never taken any criticism. I'd consider him a success if he ever becomes a guy who can give a few good minutes off the bench.
So I think it's fair to believe that our ceiling may be capped with Vrank starting. Not the fact that he can't contribute, but chances are that means Bolden or Carter is a disaster.
Zoubek was a 5-star center, #24 player in the nation per rivals. I think it's fair for a 5-star player to take heat if he isn't contributing (much less not contributing his junior year.) Luckily we eventually got to see what a healthy 5-star big-man was capable of.
Vrank was an unranked 3-star recruit who has never taken any criticism. I'd consider him a success if he ever becomes a guy who can give a few good minutes off the bench.
So I think it's fair to believe that our ceiling may be capped with Vrank starting. Not the fact that he can't contribute, but chances are that means Bolden or Carter is a disaster.
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Imo, Bolden outside of high school games has not proven to be any better then Big V.
I think it's safe to safe people are hoping Bolden turns out to be the player a lot thought and think he can be because of annylist.
I saw nothing last season that even points to him being an improvement over Big V.
Smart saying, hard work beats talent when talent don't work hard. The tweets alone about Boldens try out with the USA team don't do anything to deter that.
I think it's safe to safe people are hoping Bolden turns out to be the player a lot thought and think he can be because of annylist.
I saw nothing last season that even points to him being an improvement over Big V.
Smart saying, hard work beats talent when talent don't work hard. The tweets alone about Boldens try out with the USA team don't do anything to deter that.
Exactly!!!!
But I will say that if Bolden plays as lazy as he did to me last year I hope he sits and Vrank gets his minutes because Vrank will at least give max effort
Guys the season hasn't even started and we're already giving Bolden a hard time. Can we wait till the season starts before we pass judgement. He could have transferred so I'm into seeing him getting a shot at becoming what he was recruited for. He did have the injury and none of us were around to see exactly how it all came down. Yes he was a disappoint most of the time he was on the court but it's a new year. Let's see what he can do injury free and now knows what it is going to take to be a college basketball player. Do we need to go into naming players who were disappointments early in their careers who went on to being major factors in winning nattys. We're better fans than that. OFC
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Spot on Sky. Now though to make matters worse (possibly) for Bolden, there's a lot of buzz going around down at the Peach Jam about Bagley reclassifying and joining this seasons Duke team. I'm sorry but what are we telling the current players IF he signs now for K? I know he's a stud and all, but to me it's showing no confidence in Bolden and the other bigs by taking him at this point in the year, and it's no different than some of the posters on this site
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We only have two power forwards in Carter and Javin and I don't see not adding Bagley if he wants to come. Think about last season.
Point being, Bolden is gonna have to show a big improvement over the Bolden from last season.
I agree completely, especially regarding Bolden. This is big boy basketball, no more hand holding and coddling. You're going to compete against the best and there is no way in Gods green earth that you turn down a talent of Bagleys caliber. It just doesn't make sense. You try and land him and figure the rest out later.
I'm not naive to understand that it "could" cause chemistry issues potentially, and I'm positive that the coaching staff is keenly aware of everything as well. Again, you take that chance every time and you trust yourself if you're the staff to make it work. Most importantly you trust your players that they can make it work. Bolden's situation couldn't be more clear. Earn it big fella. Luke Kennard is your case study. Force the hand.
Worlds become sensitive ...I'd get him just not to play against him lol...bolden imo will be much improved this season though..some say he's a disaster and saw nothing from him..I saw a lot from very little in game time...i saw flashes of being a great offensive rebounder and shot blocker..imo that's all we need from him this year . We don't need to go to him in the post like last year forcing things ..I really really hope he's not expecting us to do that. Like run offense through him.. If so he's in for a rude awakening..If he can do those 2 things though and run the court he'll get a lot of minutes!..his mindset should be rebound run block lmao...he couldn't be in a better situation to succeed then hes in now and he knew it and that's why he came back..If he can't get 10 10 on this team he's doomed..my only concern really is if he can run the floor ..all I'm worried about. Duval and Trent are going to run and run a lot ..I'd rather see a lot of half court pick roll pop stuff though with Carter .but yea ..Duval likes to go fast and he's got the keys lol...gonna be a fun year
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So this comparison doesn't make sense because of high school ranking? We've seen how wildly inaccurate (along with the 247 crystal ball pick) that has been.
Both guys are large 7-footers who move deliberately, both have battled foot injuries, both are efficient (and you can argue that AV is more efficient in limited minutes), and both have been written off not even before their Junior years. Yeah, I'd say they are similar.
Do you really think it'll happen or is it more chatter? Would be crazy if it does!
Why would we compare our next 2-guard with range to Marty Clark instead of JJ Redick?
Who's wrote frank off?! Pretty sure everybody's excited to see what he can do ..nobody could say the same for zoubek ..he was horrible lmao only comparison is both are 7 foot white guys
Assuming Duke gets Bagley the starting lineup would probably be
1. Duval
2. Allen
3. Trent
4. Bagley
5. Carter
1. Duval
2. Allen
3. Trent
4. Bagley
5. Carter
I'm not saying Bagley shouldn't play for Duke. I have a problem Timo with the timing of his considering reclassifying. I've said it earlier, that there should be a deadline for opting to reclassify as well as a deadline to go pro. This to me makes for a sticky situation with these kids. This may all be just a rumor, I don't know.
It seems to be that these kids are getting the upper hand with this choosing of a school. Which one fits their best need to go to the next level. I get that. At some point though, these coaches should take a stand and say "yes I want you in the worst kind of way, just hold on til next year. You waited too long, my team is set. I love the team I have this year, and will really love next years team with you on it." I realize Bolden struggled last season, and that to me is why the excitement over Bagley is some of the way it is. I may be wrong, but I think Bolden has a good year, and I like the team K has in place at this moment. If Bagley does reclass and jump to Duke, I'll love it from the talent on paper standpoint. I just don't like being able to change classes in July. Should imo be done first part of the year.
Zoubek was horrible? His offensive rebounding stats and knowledge of efficient screening say 'hello', as does the 2010 title. All of my comparisons are accurate, and some are saying we can't win a title with Vrank playing starter minutes. That's writing him off.
'Lmao' and 'lol'!
Spot on So Cal. We dont cut em down in '10 w/o ZOOBS contributions! OFC
Any shot Duke plays bagley at the 3 some? Like a monster Winslow (in size)?
Gotta land him first, but sounds exciting....
Gotta land him first, but sounds exciting....
Hes something for sure, watched him go coast to coast on tape....The irony to me is its a Derryck Thornton type situation, and Thornton is squarely involved now a part of the other major player involved,USC! I mean you cant make this stuff up! Looking down the road can you imagine the selection committee salivating to get Duke and So Cal in same bracket next March??!! Lol...OFC
Dude, I really don't have a problem with you but your lmao and lol are, well, a bit overboard.
Then u really need to change ur tampon with 3/4s of America ..lmao..lol I don't either just what you said is not true that's it
No1 is writing frank off lord!!! ...some just think bolden's ceiling is a lot higher and possibly could make us a better team and we need that bad this year...that's it dude...itS not even really about frank it's more so a bad sign if bolden doesn't start
And as for zoubek I'm Impressed a 7 footer could rebound and set a screen ..in 4 years..lmao geezzz
If Bolden don't start he has nobody to blame but himself.....period
That's exactly what was needed out of him that year....if he don't do those things we don't win it all in 2010 period
I see it differently, but that's a totally fair take. We're at a time in the year that not every player is always on campus yet. If someone is playing for a U-19 team, for example, they're not around as the freshmen get acclimated a bit to campus and the remaining teammates during Summer School. It used to be that you knew who would be on the team when they showed up to start the Fall semester. We've gotten used to its being way earlier, nearly a year earlier, most of the time. Waiting so long might close some doors, but it's a way for the student-athlete to exert some control in a structure that controls them much of the time after that.