A guy with the nickname "Big Misty"....once scored 100 points in a NBA game in Hershey, Pa. shot them underhanded as well.
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I've never seen a practice but I would bet my life savings that the shoot free throws and have games around it like if you don't hit them, you run.
Some of it is clearly structural. Pike needs to get a free throw guru in.
if you just look at basics:
Have their base set and free throw grooved:
Harper
Yeboah
Geo
Caleb
Mulchahy
Don’t have their base set and free throws grooved:
Young
Myles
Montez
Shaq
there’s guys around who are world renowned experts and could come in and help here a lot imo
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Look at shaq for example. He was absoulete money every offseason and practice. Tried new forms, best FT shooting coaches in the world but when it came to the game it was all mental. Think about how many golfers are horrible putters. The "easy" ones aren't always the easiest as the brain is a powerful tool
Shaq tried his whole career with a "guru" and such. Read anything about Shaq and everyone says he was a 80% FT shooter in Practice. It is all mental and much more difficult then you are making it out to be.
Also not sure what you are using to calculate 250th in the country without Myles? Taking him out gives us a team percentage of 69.00% which would be 214, just above top 10 Oregon. Fact of the matter is we have solid FT shooters and then a couple bad ones who bring down the average. Expecting Yeboah to move towards his career average would probably place rutgers somewhere dead in the middle.
Yeah but they also made it necessary to even have to make them to close the game if we shoot a good percentage before the end of the game the lead never gets under 10 points
I am in total agreement with you now that we unbelievably can think about the NCAA and some of these better teams down the stretch it is foul shooting that will cost us the games as it may have in Illinois and Iowa games
He's only had 15 attempts. He's one miss away from 60% and two misses away from 67%.
I'm obviously not saying Myles is Shaq's quality. I'm saying if a player as gifted as shaq couldn't figure it out why do you expect a 20 year old to overnight?
You act as if the coaches are telling players too intentionally miss FT's or they don't even attempt them in practice. Ask any NBA scout and they will tell you the best predictor for future 3pt shooting potential is a players FT%. How many guys on this roster would you consider good shooters? FT shooting is a skill that is not easy to teach as it is more "you have it or you don't".
Also you keep referencing yeboah as "declining". This shows me you do not have a fundamental understanding of how data works. You need an adequate sample size to draw those conclusions. If yeboah went 8-10 in FTs he would be right at his career average. Kwasi is attempting half the amount of FT/G as he did the last 2 years so this leads to grater variation. Hypothetically, if he had 5 more makes this year he'd be over 80%. Would you be championing on here that the coaching staff made him better?
A few games ago, Harper was 12-12 from the free throw line. Last night McConnell was 12-13. So, as some have mentioned, it's more a matter of certain players that are knocking the team's percentage down. And for those players, the issue is not likely to be fixed during the middle of the season by just shooting more free throws in practice.
I don't understand why good shooters put their toes on the line, get their body straight, relax and then shoot. If they're good shooters just take a natural jump shot from any spot past the line within the circle.
Not sure how much Young FT has improved, but in B1G play since the beginning of the year, Young is shooting at 70%. Young struggled early in the season like 1-5 St. Bonaventure and a few other games. I think he was shooting below 50% at the first of the year. Young is near the mid-60s now, and if he continues to play well, he'll climb to 70%. Right now, he's not a liability like Johnson.
Carter and Mulcahy don't have a ton of attempts (below 20 each), so any FT missed causes your average to move down by several points instantly. FYI: Carter shot over 71% last year on 38 attempts. It's a large sample size, and I think it represents a more accurate picture of what Carter is capable of accomplishing. Johnson is the biggest concern for the team, especially at the end of games.
Interestingly enough there is a reason why players do not jump. The reasons a player jumps for a shot during a game situation can be boiled down as follows:
1. To gain height over a defender and avoid a block
2. To regain balance while running (it's hard to shoot flat footed if moving forward)
3. High jump and high release give the shooter extra time to lock in on target (Think Lebron)
4. Lower jump/lower release (steph Curry) helps propel ball up and forward quicker and farther for long shots.
None of these situations are helpful for a free throw situation with no defender and having ampel time to lock in on target. "But ScarletR30, shouldn't a player repeat the same motion and commit it to muscle memory?" You are correct but there are some serious flaws with a jump shot.
1. Jumping add another motion that could go wrong and you want to minimize this possibility at all costs. Also players exert more energy jumping meaning more could go wrong due to fatigue
2. Shooting stationary is how a player learns to shoot. If a shooting coach is teaching 3pt shooting the way the start is by having players shoot stationary. FG kickers learn to kick with no run up. AKA you learn to shoot from top down. This motion is easier to repeat for good shooters and adding a jump just adds more that could go wrong.
He was 19-30 (.633) in the run up to the B1G restart, and has been 12-19 (.632) since then.
You can practice & practice but it does no good if you're not practicing the right way.
It's really just Johnson and Carter. My friend, who coached HS basketball for years, claim is 80% mental and 20% technical. He needs just to relax and breathe, and follow through. What Harper did last night, doesn't help, just whisper something to him, maybe tell him a quick joke.
The only player I can remember taking a jump shot at free throw line was Hal Greer and he was a good FT shooter.
I like the Nelson one-handers for Myles. That’s how I shoot lefty shots and I can probably make 60% from the line that way even though it’s my off hand. Righty, I’m buttah.
It's called a pre-shot routine. like Golfers lining up their putt, see their line and make the stroke. Like a field goal kicker, takes 3 steps back and 2 over and make your kick. It's muscle memory, if you practice the routine enough, you hope that you can stroke your shot under pressure.
Your stats are old, I presume. We're at 64.6% (257/398) and without Myles we're at 69.0% (236/342), which is 214 out of 350. Not great and improvement would be nice, but not the end of the world, either. More importantly, to me is that we have 398 attempts and 257 makes, while our opponents have 305 attempts and 215 makes (they're at 70.5%), so we're ahead by 42 FTs.
But another way to look at things is that we take, on average, 19 FTs a game and if we improve our overall FT shooting% by 6% to get from 64.6% to 70.6%, which would put us smack dab in the middle of the overall rankings (#175 out of 350), that amounts to about 1 extra point per game vs. the ~70 points per game we score, on average. My gut tells me I'd rather spend my limited coaching hours making us better at offense and defense, where the impact is greater than 1 point per game, especially when shooting FTs (or outside shooting in general) is usually something very difficult to improve much beyond one's innate ability. whereas team offense and team defense, resulting in easier shots for us and worse shots for our opponents, should pay off a lot more than 1 point per game.
Just saw this on the Bigten.org site. In conference games Rutgers has 3 of the best 15 free throw shooters in the league:
FREE THROW PCT. GP FT FTA PCT.
1. Gabe Brown, Michigan State 10 20 21 .952
2. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa 9 34 37 .919
3. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois 9 22 25 .880
4. Trent Frazier, Illinois 9 20 23 .870
5. Myles Dread, Penn State 9 19 22 .864
6. Cassius Winston, Michigan State 10 37 44 .841
Marcus Carr, Minnesota 10 58 69 .841
8. Ron Harper Jr., Rutgers 10 26 31 .839
9. Caleb McConnell, Rutgers 10 20 24 .833
10. Miller Kopp, Northwestern 10 24 29 .828
D.J. Carton, Ohio State 9 24 29 .828
12. Aljami Durham, Indiana 10 40 49 .816
13. Pat Spencer, Northwestern 10 22 27 .815
14. Franz Wagner, Michigan 9 21 27 .778
Akwasi Yeboah, Rutgers 10 21 27 .778
I am going to say we practice them. Just a hunch.
FREE THROW PCT. GP FT FTA PCT.
1. Gabe Brown, Michigan State 10 20 21 .952
2. Joe Wieskamp, Iowa 9 34 37 .919
3. Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois 9 22 25 .880
4. Trent Frazier, Illinois 9 20 23 .870
5. Myles Dread, Penn State 9 19 22 .864
6. Cassius Winston, Michigan State 10 37 44 .841
Marcus Carr, Minnesota 10 58 69 .841
8. Ron Harper Jr., Rutgers 10 26 31 .839
9. Caleb McConnell, Rutgers 10 20 24 .833
10. Miller Kopp, Northwestern 10 24 29 .828
D.J. Carton, Ohio State 9 24 29 .828
12. Aljami Durham, Indiana 10 40 49 .816
13. Pat Spencer, Northwestern 10 22 27 .815
14. Franz Wagner, Michigan 9 21 27 .778
Akwasi Yeboah, Rutgers 10 21 27 .778
I am going to say we practice them. Just a hunch.
The numbers don't lie ! muscle memory and reps... keep at it fellas. hopefully we'll keep going to to the line all the way to march
add to the list repeatedly asking why peter kiss is not playing
eadHorse: :BeatDeadHorse:Justr practicing FTs won't fix Myles issues - not this year anyway. Everyonev knows its a problem. Stating it 10 times doesn't make it more or less of a problem.
In short, there is no short term fix for Myles problem. Most of the rest of the team is avg or above avg. Do we wish everyone shot like Geoff Billet? Sure! But the main guys who will get fouled in crunch time have been shooting well lately. Heck, Harper has been lights out.