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What makes you think it isn't being addressed? Who do you think is coaching this team?
Yeah other than Myles, Montez and Carter, our foul shooting isn't that bad. Myles just get fouled a lot.
Caleb 10/11, are they only coaching him? It’s being addressed, some guys are just bad shooters - that includes free throws.
Check again. 25/36 with Myles and 24/30 without Myles tonight. How in the hell is that 68%? You're painting a broad picture of the team. Myles takes a lot of FT because he gets fouled often. Myles has taken the second most FT on the team. It's a big impact on the overall average. Without adding Myles' attempts, the team is over 72%. For the record, 25/36 is 69.4%.
Maybe, and I'm just spitballin here, we make them take off an article of clothing for every free throw they miss during practice?
Might help the team focus - or something.
But you can't paint the entire team as a problem at the FT line. It goes both ways. The OP is trying to craft the narrative to meet his agenda.
Strange night for this complaint when we shot 23-26 other than Johnson and Shaq. Gotta live with Myles' shooting until he improves. Go underhanded?
Everyone has what works for them, but imo, Myles (and maybe Shaq?) should stagger their stance more. With shoulders that wide, it's harder to line up. When you look at Caleb, he actually staggers a lot. At least that should line up left-right alignment. As for the release, that is tougher to adjust. Everyone's hands are different. I can just imagine trying to shoot a mini basketball in a mini hoop, assuming they have large hands.
I had no intent, but you painted a broad picture of the entire team being bad at FT. McConnell, Yeboah, Harper, and Baker all shoot 74% or better. Young (63%) has shot over 70% since the new year. Mathis still struggles at times (61%). Carter and Mulcahy don't have enough of a sample size to be fair in judging them. Carter has 18 FT attempts for the season. Mulcahy has 15. Btw, Carter shot over 70% last year, but again the sample size was too small to judge. Myles is the one who drags down the average in a big way. He has the most FT on the team outside of Harper.
Keep trying because if you really checked the numbers you would see what you're saying isn't' true. At some point, you stat geeks will see stats don't always describe the situation. Pike knew that and that's why he switched Myles out at the end of the games lately.
It is NOT the entire team.
Has anyone shot FT’s underhand ever other than Rick Barry?
Can Myles just try it in practice and see if it is over 50%?
It CANNOT be worse than 40%.
Are guys too prideful to try it?
He needs to change SOMETHING.
The current form is not working (obviously) and won’t get any better IMO.
Has anyone shot FT’s underhand ever other than Rick Barry?
Can Myles just try it in practice and see if it is over 50%?
It CANNOT be worse than 40%.
Are guys too prideful to try it?
He needs to change SOMETHING.
The current form is not working (obviously) and won’t get any better IMO.
How come few posters here are in agreement with you? I'm not sure what you're looking at when presenting your agenda.
Myles is HORRRRRRIIIIIIBBBBLLLE from the FT. He needs a need technique. Either underhand the ball, or on a potential live ball rebound he should throw it at the rim and let it carom ...we might get 50%.
Carter wasn't much better.
Together they were 3 for 11.
The rest of the team was nice.
MO
There are young people on this board thinking - Yeah sounds like a good idea to do this in practice.
We play so hard on D I think tired player shoot worse... so I am not all that concerned about overall FT shooting.. but under 50-60% is bad. And UGLY FTs need to be addressed. I know tall guys have it harder.. but they should be good-looking shots. Smooth. And for a few guys they are not. That's lack of effort to improve.
You guys need to pay attention to Myles
Almost all of his shots are ON LINE...so it’s not that his form is bad
Some big guys that are developing coordination just have a hard time with the repetition of the same arm movement to develop touch...arms are so big they don’t have the flexibility to have the same touch
Some guys eventually develop that through repetition ...some guys like shack (o’neal) never do no matter how hard they try
He may yet figure it out
Almost all of his shots are ON LINE...so it’s not that his form is bad
Some big guys that are developing coordination just have a hard time with the repetition of the same arm movement to develop touch...arms are so big they don’t have the flexibility to have the same touch
Some guys eventually develop that through repetition ...some guys like shack (o’neal) never do no matter how hard they try
He may yet figure it out
Poor timing. My agenda is to enjoy the win. You have no idea what the coaches and players do in practice to prepare for games. These guys are not professionals and most were not top recruits. They are achieving more than anyone could imagine, but all you want to focus on is the negative.
25-36 with 3-11 from our centers. Our guys have become solid FT shooters. 22-25 from Rutgers players’ not named Myles Carter
Then he needs to try bending the knees more...
I'm an old guy and if I drive long distances I get stiff and lose my touch on the pedal.. I need to use cruise control or I risk a lot of tickets.
If he has a problem with strength of his shot with his arms and hands,,, he needs to regulate it differently.. like use less arms and hands and more legs to provide lift for the shot. See the Don Nelson video linked above and watch his knees.. his legs provide push for the ball and slight bending of the arm and hand for backspin.
Other than Johnson, what was wrong with our free throw shooting last night?
Off season Myles needs to learn a foul shooting technique that works better for him. He’s a very smart guy — someone can explain the details of what he is doing wrong that are killing the chance of his free throws succeeding. Improved numbers will keep him on the floor longer, especially in endgame situations that often determine outcomes.
We now have 4 players shooting 74% or better (McConnell 79.1%, Baker 76.9%, Yeboah 74.5%, Harper 74.3%)... so in end-game situations, we have several guys we can get the ball to when an opponent starts fouling to stop the clock. Just can't have Johnson in the game at that point on offense, or they'll hack-a-Myles to send him to the line.
Harper and Yeboah have also improved their FT% a lot since the early part of the season. Also, Baker/McConnell/Young are getting to the line more often than before, dropping Johnson from 2nd most attempts per game to 5th.
Harper and Yeboah have also improved their FT% a lot since the early part of the season. Also, Baker/McConnell/Young are getting to the line more often than before, dropping Johnson from 2nd most attempts per game to 5th.
I have attended many practices and the entire team shoots foul shots often during practice. Myles hits a good percentage in practices. It is much harder in the games with fatigue etc. Many shooters think too much and put too much pressure on themselves.
It's the wrong people taking FTs is what drags our FT% down, we have good FT% guys like McConnell 79%, Baker 77%, Yeboah 74.5% and Harper 74.3%. We also have bad ones like Mathis 63%, Young 60%, Carter 56.5%, Mulcahy 53.3% and Johnson 37.5%.
Conference games Harper Jr. 84%, Yeboah 81%, and McConnell 80%. Young 69.2% and Baker 68.4% close to 70%. Unfortunately, other teams know our bad free throw shooters and don't mind fouling those guys when they are shooting instead of giving up an easy basket.
Conference games Harper Jr. 84%, Yeboah 81%, and McConnell 80%. Young 69.2% and Baker 68.4% close to 70%. Unfortunately, other teams know our bad free throw shooters and don't mind fouling those guys when they are shooting instead of giving up an easy basket.
agree...form and rotation isn't bad
he just needs more knee bend and more arch.
there's no bigger Pike or Myles fan out there than myself...but this needs to be addressed in the off season. Myles is too good (and important) to be a sub-50% FT shooter.
regarding the OP...he/she is making a fair and valid point. In Pikes 2nd year, I did a rough analysis of our entire team, and each player was about 7% worse in their FT shooting since coming to RU (whether HS or JUCO or transfer). I equated it to S&C and/or our defensive intensity...which leads to guys shooting more when they're tired.
while I am the biggest Pike fan out there, this is the one area where there is substantial room for improvement.
Most of the time his stroke looks better than it did last season when he had a quirky push motion.
The stat is meaningless because it factors in 1 very important player that anchors the defense and rebounding and you're worried about FT on a national scale.
Do you want to replace Myles with another big man that does 40% of what he does and shoots 70% from the FT line?? In your scenario FT% would be up and RU would he 11-10 or 12-9, not 16-5.