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I thought it was fine tonight, first half some questionable calls that went against RU but I thought 2nd half RU got a slightly favorable whistle
they generally let things go and were consistent
they generally let things go and were consistent
The two that were brutal were the ones on Harper then Baker. Pretty sure they were back to back when we were trying to break that 8 point deficit and they pushed it back to 10 both times. Those definitely hurt, but we had our chances...missing layups and free throws hurt a lot more than the refs did
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on the replay of the foul on Geo, you could see he used his arm down low to slightly push the defender....that was a really critical call, if the play went on, he might have scored or been fouled himself...."
this was one of those games that every time we made a move on them, either we screw it up with a blown layup, turnover, and then they hit a shot to put us down double digits again
Agree. The frustrating part is the timing of the calls. It seems like Rutgers gets called for a bunch of early fouls so that favorite gets in rhythm and sets the tone.
When the game is on brink it seems evenly called and they hang around or get blown out due to the pressure to score.
Many of these teams are simply better but these refs also need to be questioned.
When the game is on brink it seems evenly called and they hang around or get blown out due to the pressure to score.
Many of these teams are simply better but these refs also need to be questioned.
We got away with a handful of bad calls, and so did they. Overall, I thought the refs did a pretty good job tonight. Michigan seemed to capitalize more than we did when the scale tipped toward them, though.
The one on Eugene in the 2nd half was the worst imo.
Really stifled our 2nd to last run and I didn’t see a foul. If I saw it right I think the ref called a grab and Eugene didn’t touch him with his hands, if anything it could have been a block.
Overall I think there were some calls (and no calls) that went our way but I hate when these guys make terrible calls that impact the game in big ways and then try and make it up throughout the game.
Really stifled our 2nd to last run and I didn’t see a foul. If I saw it right I think the ref called a grab and Eugene didn’t touch him with his hands, if anything it could have been a block.
Overall I think there were some calls (and no calls) that went our way but I hate when these guys make terrible calls that impact the game in big ways and then try and make it up throughout the game.
It’s funny that some people here are defending the referees. I looked at the Michigan board. They were posting things like “Man these refs are trash, for once in our favor.” Another said that there were at least four or five ridiculous calls in Michigan’s favor. Another said that he thought before tonight that Michigan was the only team that got screwed at home by the referees. A couple of their posters pointed out that Michigan got a couple of bad whistles too, but nobody said that it evened out.
Several also said that they really like this Rutgers team and would root for them when not playing Michigan.
https://forum.umhoops.com/t/game-23-michigan-at-rutgers-open-thread/4692
Several also said that they really like this Rutgers team and would root for them when not playing Michigan.
https://forum.umhoops.com/t/game-23-michigan-at-rutgers-open-thread/4692
I agree, several calls in their favor. Also several in ours. I'm not one to usually defend refs, and they missed their share last night... but I never got the feeling that officiating was "in our way" so to speak.
I like the respect they have on that thread for us and Eugene, specifically
The refs were horrible. Two terrible calls against Ron Harper Jr. Terrible call against Baker. I agree with the Michigan fans I guess
I thought the officiating was terrible. I am surprised what I am seeing here. Its all about the timing of the calls, and we seem to always get hit with phantom calls when we are building momentum or making a run. They consistently kill our momentum. Once they make a few calls that keep us from doing anything to interrupt a 10-0 run, it doesn't really matter if you get two make-up "bad calls" against the other team. They have already killed your momentum and put you in a hole.
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the only call I saw go in RU favor was Mathis getting fouled on his dunk. Multiple bad calls to open the half, 2 on Harper and one on Geo. and Geo's drive late was a BS call. The canadian kid obviously grabbed Geo's arm before Geo threw him off.
and what about Eugene's foul toward end of first half? that ref was the one with the emphatic gesture signaling Michigan ball when it went off Carter. That guy was horrible. the other 2 seemed fine.
and what about Eugene's foul toward end of first half? that ref was the one with the emphatic gesture signaling Michigan ball when it went off Carter. That guy was horrible. the other 2 seemed fine.
I couldn’t like this more!! Especially when R offense is banging the ball into the paint and down low vs Michigan and OSU that we’re shooting 3s.
We drew many more fouls than M and OSU drew in these two games. But the officials didn’t call it that way.
In my opinion it is absolutely mindless to just add up the fouls and conclude the game was called evenly. ANY team that bangs it down low seeking layups is going to draw MANY more fouls than a jump shooting team.
Officiating didn’t seem as terrible as the OSU game with the exception of the opening few minutes. What continues to infuriate me is the completely arbitrary decisions to call moving screens. Johnson got called for 1 which looked like a decent call but UM was running picks and hip checking (just like Wesson in the OSU game) the entire game and never got called for it once. Especially #15. Rutgers permiter D is poor enough but that just makes it worse. Either call them consistently or don’t call them at all.
Eugene O on a layup with 7 minutes to go puts the defender under the basket with his forearm. Kiss on an obvious hook a few minutes later and they call it on Simpson.
Missed calls both ways . Michigan got to the 10 foul mark in 2nd Half.
They didn't decide the game-----Michigan is just very good.
The foul on the Johnson screen was garbage. The M defender acted like an Italian soccer player and the ref bought it hook, line and sinker.
Except it was a moving screen - the sell job just drew attention to it. You can't set a screen, then back up into the defender and make contact. Did the defender oversell that contact? Yeah - but Johnson definitely set a moving screen and got called for it.
We got two phantom fouls that I saw - both on shot blocks at the rim, one on Baker and one on Harper. They also got a phantom foul on a similar play.
Kiss got away with a couple of offensive fouls, as did Omoruyi, both using their off arm to make space. We got away with a few obvious reach ins, a couple of other moving screens, and some aggressive contact under the basket. I remarked several times during the game that "wow, got away with one there"... only to feel like they "got it back" a few plays later on a call in their favor.
Many of the "questionable" calls in real time turned out to be spot on when I rewound the DVR and played it back.
I felt the officiating in the OSU game set a tone that allowed OSU to get away with murder for most of the first half and allowed Wesson to go off - I didn't feel that the officiating did that for Michigan. They made some very hard shots and couldn't seem to miss in the early going, while we were missing bunnies and making mistakes - by the time our intensity ratcheted up and their shooting cooled off, we were 15 points behind.
Michigan is and was very good. There are reasons they played for the National Championship and are ranked so high. They pounded the crap out of Villanova at Villanova. They were beating them by over 40. I felt the one ref was beyond horrible calling call after call against us. The other two seemed decent. We missed way too many point blank chippies. We need to win at least one of the next two. Illinois and their style will be very difficult. Northwestern we had better even the score with Eugene. We better be ready to play both of these games on the road. I will feel better if we can get to 12-12.
I am on vacation in aruba and don’t have time to detail every call. But:
1) how about the Michigan fans on line (link above) who said that they thought we were getting bad whistles? When the opponent fans say we are getting screwed...
2). I saw what I saw. In total, we were not getting calls and M got a few calls.
3) It is tiresome for this team to have to beat these very talented teams AND overcome bad whistles.
4) I can’t wait until our team can overcome this hurdle and get a consistently fair whistle.
Although I thought overall it was pretty fair last night there was no contact on the Johnson call.
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I agree it ultimately didn't decide the game. that was RU not being able to score when they would get stops down 8...they had plenty of chances and could not capitalize.
I remember the Kiss hook, I can see it called but he was also contacted I personally would have liked a no-call. didn't see OE call, but thats a make up lol
I remember the Kiss hook, I can see it called but he was also contacted I personally would have liked a no-call. didn't see OE call, but thats a make up lol
The calls on Harper and Baker were the most infuriating
The Harper block at the rim - dreadful.
When the showed the replay, the announcers basically said nothing other than noting it was replayed on the scoreboard and the Rutgers fans didn’t like the call. I think the play by play guy tried to cover by saying Harper might have touched his left hand or arm. BS!
Have some balls and say it was a crap call.
I hate when announcers don’t do that.
The Harper block at the rim - dreadful.
When the showed the replay, the announcers basically said nothing other than noting it was replayed on the scoreboard and the Rutgers fans didn’t like the call. I think the play by play guy tried to cover by saying Harper might have touched his left hand or arm. BS!
Have some balls and say it was a crap call.
I hate when announcers don’t do that.
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I've coached youth bb for a bunch of years, and man that pissed me off more than anything! making a call from across the court with a ref in position close to the action. that's one huge reason I am so critical of officials.
Go watch it again. He clearly set a screen, then backed up toward the defender as he ran around him, and his butt made contact with the defender's arm - it doesn't get more textbook than that. Now, can an argument be made that we got no advantage from the foul, and a ref should have let it go? Sure - but can't argue it wasn't a moving screen. Johnson needs to know better than to do that.
I think a lot of it was because Geo didn't really "use" the screen, and Johnson was trying to get some contact that wasn't going to come unless he backed up. If Geo had dribbled more closely to Johnson and forced his defender to fight through the screen, Johnson probably wouldn't have moved backward in an attempt to screen the defender.
Ticky tack? Maybe. But totally a legit call.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion. We definitely got some favorable calls, and they definitely got some favorable calls - didn't feel that officiating was what was holding us back in this game, though. And if you look back through my posts, I'm as critical of officials as anyone (and of those who say that officiating "didn't impact the game"). Officiating always impacts the game - but I didn't feel it was the hurdle we were struggling to clear yesterday. 2-3 foot shots were our biggest challenge, and Michigan shooting 75% from the field for most of the first half.
Yea i didn’t go back but sticking the rear end out almost makes it automatic to your point.
I thought the Sinead O'Connor doppleganger was the worst of the crew, with the older guy only slightly better.
Legit call but call all the illegal picks on Michigan all night they were either sticking out there shoulders or there legs; The refs were supposed to be keying in this this year obviously they forgot that in this game rewatch it you will see; not to mention how many moving screens they set
OSU I saw them constantly - didn't see nearly as many against Michigan. I'll try to take another look.
Agree ISU was even more blatant these were more suttle but the refs were supposed to be emphasizing this and they obviously have forgotten our players need to act a little more when they get picked off illegally !!
That was a prime example of inconsistent refereeing that really hurt RU at a crucial part of the game. It was a tick-tack foul call and Brazideikas and Simpson had committed worse with no call earlier.