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Georgia Tech got $22.6 million, Clemson got $27.9 million from the ACC pot for the fiscal year ending after the 2016/17 bowl games.

Georgia got $41.9 million, Alabama and Mississipi $39.1 million apiece from the SEC.

Oklahoma got $28.9 million and West Virginia got $28 million from the Big 12.

In 4 years the Big 12 has nearly doubled its conference revenue.

Since WVU got more than Clemson, why the hue and cry over the Big 12 members not getting as much as the other conferences?

The SEC is on a separate plane with it comes to football, obviously. But it’s not like the Big 12 is at the bottom in per-member payouts.
 
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Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
Georgia Tech got $22.6 million, Clemson got $27.9 million from the ACC pot for the fiscal year ending after the 2016/17 bowl games.

Georgia got $41.9 million, Alabama and Mississipi $39.1 million apiece from the SEC.

Oklahoma got $28.9 million and West Virginia got $28 million from the Big 12.

In 4 years the Big 12 has nearly doubled its conference revenue.

Since WVU got more than Clemson, why the hue and cry over the Big 12 members not getting as much as the other conferences?

The SEC is on a separate plane with it comes to football, obviously. But it’s not like the Big 12 is at the bottom in per-member payouts.
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Better payouts equal better facilities for the programs. Better facilities equal more curb appeal for recruits in all sports. Big XII may not be the best fit for us geographically, but you can't argue about the ability we have to compete for future recruits...
 
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Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
Georgia Tech got $22.6 million, Clemson got $27.9 million from the ACC pot for the fiscal year ending after the 2016/17 bowl games.

Georgia got $41.9 million, Alabama and Mississipi $39.1 million apiece from the SEC.

Oklahoma got $28.9 million and West Virginia got $28 million from the Big 12.

In 4 years the Big 12 has nearly doubled its conference revenue.

Since WVU got more than Clemson, why the hue and cry over the Big 12 members not getting as much as the other conferences?

The SEC is on a separate plane with it comes to football, obviously. But it’s not like the Big 12 is at the bottom in per-member payouts.
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Nobody has complained about the Big 12's revenue. It has always been competitive with the other conferences. People have worried/complained about other things, such as playoff access or a conference network.

That said, your post is inaccurate. You said the figures were from the fiscal year 2016-2017. That is incorrect. The FY2016-17 is not yet over. FY2016-17 runs through the summer. This is party due to the fact that the NCAA does not distribute revenue to the conferences until after the school/sports year is completed. (Which it is not. The baseball tournament, for one, still has yet to be played).

The figures you posted are from the fiscal year 2015-2016. In other words, from the 2015 football season, and the 2015-2016 basketball season. Here is an article that lays it out:

"The Southeastern Conference continued flexing — and growing — its financial muscle, showing revenue of $639 million during its 2016 fiscal year, according to its new federal tax return.

The return, provided to USA TODAY Sports by the conference on Thursday, showed that the distributions to its 14 members schools ranged from $41.9 million for the University of Georgia to $39.1 million for Alabama and Mississippi."

See? Same numbers you posted, except they were from last year, not this year. I'm not sure where you got your other numbers.

Edit: I found the numbers for the Big 12. They are also from FY2016. Here is the relevant article:

Helped primarily by a healthy jump in its take from football bowl games, the Big 12 Conference had more than $313 million in total revenue for a fiscal year that ended June 30, 2016, according to its new federal tax return.......

The tax return, provided to USA TODAY Sports by the conference on Wednesday, showed that distributions to its 10 member schools ranged from $28.9 million for Oklahoma to just over $28 million for West Virginia. It was the first time that West Virginia and TCU have received full shares of revenue from the conference.

Again, same numbers, but clearly from FY2016, not 2017. I assume the ACC numbers are from FY2016 as well.
 
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Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
Georgia Tech got $22.6 million, Clemson got $27.9 million from the ACC pot for the fiscal year ending after the 2016/17 bowl games.

Georgia got $41.9 million, Alabama and Mississipi $39.1 million apiece from the SEC.

Oklahoma got $28.9 million and West Virginia got $28 million from the Big 12.

In 4 years the Big 12 has nearly doubled its conference revenue.

Since WVU got more than Clemson, why the hue and cry over the Big 12 members not getting as much as the other conferences?

The SEC is on a separate plane with it comes to football, obviously. But it’s not like the Big 12 is at the bottom in per-member payouts.
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The B12 numbers do not include tier 3 rights. That adds another 8 million or so to the WVU coffers.
 
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So the SEC network is not included in their payouts. How does the ACC pay schools for their tier three rights?
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Ok, for about the 1 millionth time. "Tier 3" is more that just TV. Tier 3 includes TV, radio, coaches shows, olympic sports, etc. You are comparing apples to oranges when you try to add in Tier 3 for the Big 12, but no one else.

Let me give you an example. West Virginia gets ~$8 million from its Tier 3 contract. (Some say a little higher or lower, but we will use your # of 8 just for convenience.) Well, that $8 million includes EVERYTHING. It isn't just $8 million strictly for TV alone. It's $8 million for TV + radio + multimedia + coaches + olympic sports + whatever.

Well, the other schools all get "radio + multimedia + coaches + olympic sports + whatever" also. You can't add in all the Tier 3 for the Big 12 schools, but not add it in for the other schools. If you want to get an accurate comparison, you have to do one of two things. You either have to subtract just the TV portion for the Big 12, or add in Tier 3 for the other schools.

In West Virginia's case, you would have to subtract the TV out of the $8 million.
 
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Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
Georgia Tech got $22.6 million, Clemson got $27.9 million from the ACC pot for the fiscal year ending after the 2016/17 bowl games.

Georgia got $41.9 million, Alabama and Mississipi $39.1 million apiece from the SEC.

Oklahoma got $28.9 million and West Virginia got $28 million from the Big 12.

In 4 years the Big 12 has nearly doubled its conference revenue.

Since WVU got more than Clemson, why the hue and cry over the Big 12 members not getting as much as the other conferences?

The SEC is on a separate plane with it comes to football, obviously. But it’s not like the Big 12 is at the bottom in per-member payouts.
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Big12 is fine today. It's contractually locked in. The question is what does 2027 and beyond look like. Getting amped up over whether a program is bringing in $24 million, $26 million or $28 million is for message boards.
 
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Brookecountyeer said:
Better payouts equal better facilities for the programs. Better facilities equal more curb appeal for recruits in all sports. Big XII may not be the best fit for us geographically, but you can't argue about the ability we have to compete for future recruits...
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How's the Big12 revenue helped WVU recruiting? How's that worked out for class rankings? I mean schools like WVU, Pitt, Kansas and Syracuse get big bucks so recruiting is great right?
 
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Ok, for about the 1 millionth time. "Tier 3" is more that just TV. Tier 3 includes TV, radio, coaches shows, olympic sports, etc. You are comparing apples to oranges when you try to add in Tier 3 for the Big 12, but no one else.

Let me give you an example. West Virginia gets ~$8 million from its Tier 3 contract. (Some say a little higher or lower, but we will use your # of 8 just for convenience.) Well, that $8 million includes EVERYTHING. It isn't just $8 million strictly for TV alone. It's $8 million for TV + radio + multimedia + coaches + olympic sports + whatever.

Well, the other schools all get "radio + multimedia + coaches + olympic sports + whatever" also. You can't add in all the Tier 3 for the Big 12 schools, but not add it in for the other schools. If you want to get an accurate comparison, you have to do one of two things. You either have to subtract just the TV portion for the Big 12, or add in Tier 3 for the other schools.

In West Virginia's case, you would have to subtract the TV out of the $8 million.
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It was a simple question. How much does Clemson get then? I know a lot of Clemson fans but none are major A- holes. Hell I have two Clemson grads who work for me. Why do you go out of your way to be an A hole? WVU's tier 3 does not include a couple million for in venue avertising.
 
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It was a simple question. How much does Clemson get then? I know a lot of Clemson fans but none are major A- holes. Hell I have two Clemson grads who work for me. Why do you go out of your way to be an A hole? WVU's tier 3 does not include a couple million for in venue avertising.
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I don't know the amount of Clemson's Tier 3 contract. I have searched for it online in the past and never found it. By way of comparison, NC State has a Tier 3 contract of around $5 million a year. I would suspect Clemson is around that figure at least.

I'm not being an *******. I'm simply offering accurate information. It makes no sense to have a discussion about conference revenue, but then use inaccurate information. The only reason to do that is if you are trying to influence the results one way or the other, which is only self-serving and doesn't shed any light on the truth of the matter.

Nobody else's Tier 3 contract includes in-venue advertising either. See, this is what I mean. You (and some other people) keep trying to dig around and cherrypick numbers to inflate the total for certain schools. Clemson, Michigan, Stanford, Georgia, Florida St, etc., all of them have in-venue advertising. If you are going to include in-venue advertising for West Virginia, you have to include it for all the other schools as well. Otherwise, you are artificially inflating the total to make it look like West Virginia (and the Big 12) are farther ahead of other schools than they actually are.
 
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I don't know the amount of Clemson's Tier 3 contract. I have searched for it online in the past and never found it. By way of comparison, NC State has a Tier 3 contract of around $5 million a year. I would suspect Clemson is around that figure at least.

I'm not being an *******. I'm simply offering accurate information. It makes no sense to have a discussion about conference revenue, but then use inaccurate information. The only reason to do that is if you are trying to influence the results one way or the other, which is only self-serving and doesn't shed any light on the truth of the matter.

Nobody else's Tier 3 contract includes in-venue advertising either. See, this is what I mean. You (and some other people) keep trying to dig around and cherrypick numbers to inflate the total for certain schools. Clemson, Michigan, Stanford, Georgia, Florida St, etc., all of them have in-venue advertising. If you are going to include in-venue advertising for West Virginia, you have to include it for all the other schools as well. Otherwise, you are artificially inflating the total to make it look like West Virginia (and the Big 12) are farther ahead of other schools than they actually are.
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Where did I post about anyone else's tier 3 payouts? I asked a question. You really like to go full A-hole when it really is not necessary or productive.
 
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still5-0vstarheels said:
Where did I post about anyone else's tier 3 payouts? I asked a question. You really like to go full A-hole when it really is not necessary or productive.
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So the SEC network is not included in their payouts. How does the ACC pay schools for their tier three rights?
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Ok, well here is the reason I had to answer the way I did. Your question indicates that you don't understand what Tier 3 rights are in the first place. When you asked, "How does the ACC pay schools for their Tier 3 rights?" that is a lack of understanding of how Tier 3 rights work.

Tier 3 is not an official definition. It's just an industry term used as shorthand. "Tier 3" includes anything that is not picked up by the networks. That includes: TV, radio, multimedia, olympic sports, coaches' shows, etc. The difference between the Big 12 and the other conferences (like the ACC) is that the Big 12 withheld one football game and a handful of basketball games from the networks. That remained with the schools, and was included with the schools' Tier 3 packages. Aside from that, Big 12 Tier 3 is the same as Tier 3 for everyone else.

So in other words, conferences don't pay schools anything for Tier 3. Each individual school generates its own Tier 3 money. The Big 12 schools' Tier 3 package just includes a few more games than do the other schools. Those other games just really don't make that much money on their own. They only really make a lot of money if you pool them collectively, like in a conference network.
 
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GREGJACOBS said:
How's the Big12 revenue helped WVU recruiting? How's that worked out for class rankings? I mean schools like WVU, Pitt, Kansas and Syracuse get big bucks so recruiting is great right?
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I see your point and it's well taken. I may be wrong but I think I read that this is the first year WVU gets a full payout from big 12 revenue. I think the money coming this year and in the future will help with better facilities which IMO should help in future recruiting. Kansas and Syracuse share a similar situation as WVU with recruiting. If I'm a college kid and can go freeze my but off in Syracuse most of the year or spend four years at the beach in south fla., I know my choice would be girls in bikinis. Kansas is a basketball school, end of story. Pitt has a difficult dynamic. Off-campus stadium in the shadow of the Steelers. I live in WV but only an hour away from Pittsburgh. The local radio talent always discusses low attendance at Pitt games. I wouldn't want to play in front of a half full pro stadium that the student section was sparsely covered. This hurts Pitt, and WVU's on the opposite end in this realm because they don't have to compete with decisions Pittsburgh fans have to make about season tickets, merchandise, etc. thanks for the feedback though. I enjoy being questioned from others. Talk again soon...
 
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still5-0vstarheels said:
The B12 numbers do not include tier 3 rights. That adds another 8 million or so to the WVU coffers.
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It's actually $7.1 million for fiscal year 2016/17 from IMG plus capital improvements like the new scoreboard. WVU also has advertising rights for United Banks, WVU Hospitals and Nike. That adds about $2 million
 
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I see your point and it's well taken. I may be wrong but I think I read that this is the first year WVU gets a full payout from big 12 revenue. I think the money coming this year and in the future will help with better facilities which IMO should help in future recruiting. Kansas and Syracuse share a similar situation as WVU with recruiting. If I'm a college kid and can go freeze my but off in Syracuse most of the year or spend four years at the beach in south fla., I know my choice would be girls in bikinis. Kansas is a basketball school, end of story. Pitt has a difficult dynamic. Off-campus stadium in the shadow of the Steelers. I live in WV but only an hour away from Pittsburgh. The local radio talent always discusses low attendance at Pitt games. I wouldn't want to play in front of a half full pro stadium that the student section was sparsely covered. This hurts Pitt, and WVU's on the opposite end in this realm because they don't have to compete with decisions Pittsburgh fans have to make about season tickets, merchandise, etc. thanks for the feedback though. I enjoy being questioned from others. Talk again soon...
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This wasn't a Pitt/WVU perspective or question. I posted an opinion nicely that used your money point to discredit your post. The flaw in your recruiting thinking is huge actually. The boat Pitt and WVU are in includes roughly 35 other P5 programs. So you can make up 30 something excuses on why program X doesn't have a top 25 class ranking but you still don't get it. So I guess we can check back in a few years to see if WVU becomes a consistent top 25 recruiting program because money is good. Here's a news flash........WVU has a top 5-10 basketball coach. WVU is in a top 3 P5 hoop conference. So according to you and your money theory WVU is ready to have top 20 recruiting hoop classes.

Really arrogant and low IQ post you produced. You are passive aggressive and super beta. Talk with ya soon I'm sure.....
 
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GREGJACOBS said:
This wasn't a Pitt/WVU perspective or question. I posted an opinion nicely that used your money point to discredit your post. The flaw in your recruiting thinking is huge actually. The boat Pitt and WVU are in includes roughly 35 other P5 programs. So you can make up 30 something excuses on why program X doesn't have a top 25 class ranking but you still don't get it. So I guess we can check back in a few years to see if WVU becomes a consistent top 25 recruiting program because money is good. Here's a news flash........WVU has a top 5-10 basketball coach. WVU is in a top 3 P5 hoop conference. So according to you and your money theory WVU is ready to have top 20 recruiting hoop classes.

Really arrogant and low IQ post you produced. You are passive aggressive and super beta. Talk with ya soon I'm sure.....
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Making more friends Greg? Super low IQ response from you Greg but what we have come to expect from Pitt fans.
 
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GREGJACOBS said:
This wasn't a Pitt/WVU perspective or question. I posted an opinion nicely that used your money point to discredit your post. The flaw in your recruiting thinking is huge actually. The boat Pitt and WVU are in includes roughly 35 other P5 programs. So you can make up 30 something excuses on why program X doesn't have a top 25 class ranking but you still don't get it. So I guess we can check back in a few years to see if WVU becomes a consistent top 25 recruiting program because money is good. Here's a news flash........WVU has a top 5-10 basketball coach. WVU is in a top 3 P5 hoop conference. So according to you and your money theory WVU is ready to have top 20 recruiting hoop classes.

Really arrogant and low IQ post you produced. You are passive aggressive and super beta. Talk with ya soon I'm sure.....
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Just when I thought we could be friends....
 
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Good grief...now the new definition of football success is how much money your conference makes and what your share is? By that logic WVU will never be the football "elite" like Vanderbilt, Purdue, etc. Soon we will be more concerned with who WVU hires as "Head Accountant" on the team than who is on the sidelines. Ridiculous.
 
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still5-0vstarheels said:
It was a simple question. How much does Clemson get then? I know a lot of Clemson fans but none are major A- holes. Hell I have two Clemson grads who work for me. Why do you go out of your way to be an A hole? WVU's tier 3 does not include a couple million for in venue avertising.
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Hail, I got TorontoEERs and Airport and a few others working for me on the pickle farm. I offered the Paperboy but he never made the bus trip to Cucumber, WV even after I send him the ticket. Heck, Paper knew he couldn't cut it working for TorontoEERs. I pay all my pickle farmers hunardts! HUNARDTS! Now, I ain't looking for no more hep but .................would you consider going to Michigan and working for TorontoEERs? He pays in the hunardts range.
 
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Hail, I got TorontoEERs and Airport and a few others working for me on the pickle farm. I offered the Paperboy but he never made the bus trip to Cucumber, WV even after I send him the ticket. Heck, Paper knew he couldn't cut it working for TorontoEERs. I pay all my pickle farmers hunardts! HUNARDTS! Now, I ain't looking for no more hep but .................would you consider going to Michigan and working for TorontoEERs? He pays in the hunardts range.
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I don't do pickles, though I do have a nice crop of trout I am raising.
 
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It was a simple question. How much does Clemson get then? I know a lot of Clemson fans but none are major A- holes. Hell I have two Clemson grads who work for me. Why do you go out of your way to be an A hole? WVU's tier 3 does not include a couple million for in venue avertising.
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He works for ESPN.
 
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Good grief...now the new definition of football success is how much money your conference makes and what your share is? By that logic WVU will never be the football "elite" like Vanderbilt, Purdue, etc. Soon we will be more concerned with who WVU hires as "Head Accountant" on the team than who is on the sidelines. Ridiculous.
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I agree. Fans are so hung up on pay out money you'd think they get a piece of it themselves.

Everyone in the power conferences are doing fine.
 
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I want some of that payout money!! It makes me angry that all the other 'shiny shoes' get their cut and leave ole Warez out! Of course, I have millions AND billions in my own right and they know it. Maybe that's why. Warez
 
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Reported today that wvu brings in nearly $35 mil from big 12 revenue shares + another $5 mil or so for tier 3 for the last year. Success on the field and court and money in the bank is never a bad thing.

Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
Georgia Tech got $22.6 million, Clemson got $27.9 million from the ACC pot for the fiscal year ending after the 2016/17 bowl games.

Georgia got $41.9 million, Alabama and Mississipi $39.1 million apiece from the SEC.

Oklahoma got $28.9 million and West Virginia got $28 million from the Big 12.

In 4 years the Big 12 has nearly doubled its conference revenue.

Since WVU got more than Clemson, why the hue and cry over the Big 12 members not getting as much as the other conferences?

The SEC is on a separate plane with it comes to football, obviously. But it’s not like the Big 12 is at the bottom in per-member payouts.
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Cuyahoga Falls Eers said:
Georgia Tech got $22.6 million, Clemson got $27.9 million from the ACC pot for the fiscal year ending after the 2016/17 bowl games.

Georgia got $41.9 million, Alabama and Mississipi $39.1 million apiece from the SEC.

Oklahoma got $28.9 million and West Virginia got $28 million from the Big 12.

In 4 years the Big 12 has nearly doubled its conference revenue.

Since WVU got more than Clemson, why the hue and cry over the Big 12 members not getting as much as the other conferences?

The SEC is on a separate plane with it comes to football, obviously. But it’s not like the Big 12 is at the bottom in per-member payouts.
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The Big 12 distribution does not include tier 3 TV revenue which is held by the schools, unlike the other major conferences. Jamie Pollard tweeted a nice graphic showing each conference's distributions.

 
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michaelwalkerbr said:
It's actually $7.1 million for fiscal year 2016/17 from IMG plus capital improvements like the new scoreboard. WVU also has advertising rights for United Banks, WVU Hospitals and Nike. That adds about $2 million
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I think to get an apples to apples comparison of revenue distribution with the other conferences, you need to add only the tier 3 TV revenue. Those other revenue streams are also available to other Power 5 schools and are not part of the conference distribution numbers. Tier 3 TV revenue is included in other conference's distributions, but not in the Big 12. So you need to add that piece back in for Big 12 teams to get a proper comparison.
 
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I think to get an apples to apples comparison of revenue distribution with the other conferences, you need to add only the tier 3 TV revenue. Those other revenue streams are also available to other Power 5 schools and are not part of the conference distribution numbers. Tier 3 TV revenue is included in other conference's distributions, but not in the Big 12. So you need to add that piece back in for Big 12 teams to get a proper comparison.
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I totally agree. Comparisons should only include conference payouts plus tier 3 income where it is not included. For this year that is $7.1 million for WVU, $15 million for Texas and I believe around $9 million for Oklahoma. I am not familiar with Iowa State's 3rd tier deal. Could you enlighten us? As far as I'm concerned, the higher the better.
 
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