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For those in the know, how is PEIA funded? The ultimate core issue is the rising health care premium (which I can understand why the state workers are pissed, we are all pissed off with the rise in overall health care cost). Is PEIA funded with tax monies?
 

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Half the students don't give a crap about an education, they don't study they don't care. Parents use the schools as glorified baby sitting pods, teaching is a tough way to make a living, they need to get paid, I respect them we all should.
 

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Just curious, but have you ever taken out a mortgage?

Sure and the bank loaned me that money based on my CURRENT income not on projected income. West Virginia's proposed 5% pay raise is based on "projected revenue" (derived from a severance tax whose receipts fluctuate with World gas and oil prices).

The bank based my loan off my GS15 salary today -- I couldn't say "hey you know good chance I get Senior Executive status next year how about you loan my another 100k and I get a bigger house".....
 

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I've heard several mentions of tying teachers pay to test scores and the like. I don't think that's a fair way to address the teachers compensation concerns.
The reality is that not all student bases are equal. Usually more affluent area will produce higher achievement and poorer areas present more challenges. Why should a teacher be penalized because their students may not have the resources that some others have. Teacher pay should be the same across the board with the possible exception of local considerations.
 

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I've heard several mentions of tying teachers pay to test scores and the like. I don't think that's a fair way to address the teachers compensation concerns.
The reality is that not all student bases are equal. Usually more affluent area will produce higher achievement and poorer areas present more challenges. Why should a teacher be penalized because their students may not have the resources that some others have. Teacher pay should be the same across the board with the possible exception of local considerations.
Medicare reimbursement is going to be results based compared around the country. Welcome to government influence!
 

The Elf

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I've heard several mentions of tying teachers pay to test scores and the like. I don't think that's a fair way to address the teachers compensation concerns.
The reality is that not all student bases are equal. Usually more affluent area will produce higher achievement and poorer areas present more challenges. Why should a teacher be penalized because their students may not have the resources that some others have. Teacher pay should be the same across the board with the possible exception of local considerations.
Obama, Bernie And Lenin agree.
 

WVDominick

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I've heard several mentions of tying teachers pay to test scores and the like. I don't think that's a fair way to address the teachers compensation concerns.
The reality is that not all student bases are equal. Usually more affluent area will produce higher achievement and poorer areas present more challenges. Why should a teacher be penalized because their students may not have the resources that some others have. Teacher pay should be the same across the board with the possible exception of local considerations.

Negative. That's the situation we're in now and it doesn't work. You can't keep the best teachers down and you can't protect the worst teachers. Merit-based pay must be implemented. It can't be just test scores. It has to be a comprehensive and fair approach which includes several metrics that will determine the overall student improvement attributed to the teacher. This is a very complex topic and an exact solution will take time, but in my opinion any merit-based system would be far superior to what's in place now.
 

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Half the students don't give a crap about an education, they don't study they don't care. Parents use the schools as glorified baby sitting pods, teaching is a tough way to make a living, they need to get paid, I respect them we all should.

A lot of generalities in that post. My wife and I certainly care about our son's education. In fact we do extra work to challenge him and continue that through the summer months. We don't get as much feedback as we'd like from his teacher - we'd like to know where we should be focusing our at home efforts to support his continued development. I agree there are parents that don't do much at home...just like I think there are teachers that could do better.
 

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Certain politicians in the State and Counties will tell you that one of the reasons companies won't come to WV is because we have a low-educated workforce....someone is putting a value number on our outcomes.
 

bornaneer

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A lot of generalities in that post. My wife and I certainly care about our son's education. In fact we do extra work to challenge him and continue that through the summer months. We don't get as much feedback as we'd like from his teacher - we'd like to know where we should be focusing our at home efforts to support his continued development. I agree there are parents that don't do much at home...just like I think there are teachers that could do better.
You just reinforced my post.....you and your wife give extra work to challenge. I bet that will help your son. Many parents couldn't care less.
 
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I am sympathetic to the teachers pay (My wife is a teacher) as well as the joke they call PEIA. However, this issue of low pay did not happen over night and it is not going to be fixed over night. You cannot expect to bring the pay of a teacher to the level of higher paid teachers this year. It will take time. As for PEIA. It is fundamentally a broke system. Many of the issues are mandated by Obama Care and any monies that are dumped into PEIA is throwing good money after Bad. My last comment is that this is not going to end any time soon unless the state just bends over and gives the teachers everything they want whether we can afford it or not. Here is my reasoning. Every day the teachers say they are not giving up, the superintendents cancel school for the next day. This allows the teachers to continue to collect a paycheck. My understanding of a strike is that the strikers are not paid and the Company (schools in this case) cannot provide services. After this goes on for a while the pain starts to squeeze both sides and cooler heads prevail and there is an agreement. If the teachers continue to get paid there is no reason to stop picketing. Why would they? They get paid and they picket a few hours and get up the next day a do it all again. I have heard many teachers say they can do this forever. They are convinced that the state will waive the days they have been striking so they won't have to make them up. I hope the teachers get what they deserve but I also Hope this state does not try to solve a 75 year old problem all at one time.
 

The Elf

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I'm just being honest. I'm not ready to say that we can just judge teacher performance based on student test scores.
Obviously more than one metric could be used to measure teachers in similar subjects. A starting point could be that STEM teachers (with the corresponding credentials) warrant higher pay than non-STEM.
 

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You just reinforced my post.....you and your wife give extra work to challenge. I bet that will help your son. Many parents could care less.

That goes for all states though. Still, WV ranks dead last in education. You can give as many excuses as you want and pretend other states don't have the same issues with parents not caring or whatever else you want to use. WV has to get better. Ranking last in education(might actually be around 47th), and dead last in economy(51st) is a disaster of epic proportions. No excuses, there are major problems.
 

bornaneer

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Certain politicians in the State and Counties will tell you that one of the reasons companies won't come to WV is because we have a low-educated workforce....someone is putting a value number on our outcomes.
True...but I can't lay that at the feet of the teachers. I blame the shortsightedness of our State leadership over many,many years. They put their eggs in one basket. A robust economy will elevate everyone and our brightest and best will have a better incentive to stay in our state.
 

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I don't believe it was just teacher dollars...plenty of other people and businesses donating.

Each percent raise equates to about $400 to $500 per year for the teachers...but many people have already spent that on extra day care for their kids over the past 8 days. No one is talking about that.
 

WVDominick

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I don't believe it was just teacher dollars...plenty of other people and businesses donating.

Each percent raise equates to about $400 to $500 per year for the teachers...but many people have already spent that on extra day care for their kids over the past 8 days. No one is talking about that.

I have been saying this for 8 days now. I've been trying to get this talked about and it isn't working. Like I've said, teachers don't accept responsibility for this strike at all so anything negative for anybody else is an "inconvenience". Their word, not mine. It's amazing what people will convince themselves of to justify their actions. I bet the damages from the strike are already greater than the raises they're asking for.
 

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I am sympathetic to the teachers pay (My wife is a teacher) as well as the joke they call PEIA. However, this issue of low pay did not happen over night and it is not going to be fixed over night. You cannot expect to bring the pay of a teacher to the level of higher paid teachers this year. It will take time. As for PEIA. It is fundamentally a broke system. Many of the issues are mandated by Obama Care and any monies that are dumped into PEIA is throwing good money after Bad. My last comment is that this is not going to end any time soon unless the state just bends over and gives the teachers everything they want whether we can afford it or not. Here is my reasoning. Every day the teachers say they are not giving up, the superintendents cancel school for the next day. This allows the teachers to continue to collect a paycheck. My understanding of a strike is that the strikers are not paid and the Company (schools in this case) cannot provide services. After this goes on for a while the pain starts to squeeze both sides and cooler heads prevail and there is an agreement. If the teachers continue to get paid there is no reason to stop picketing. Why would they? They get paid and they picket a few hours and get up the next day a do it all again. I have heard many teachers say they can do this forever. They are convinced that the state will waive the days they have been striking so they won't have to make them up. I hope the teachers get what they deserve but I also Hope this state does not try to solve a 75 year old problem all at one time.

This problem could be solved all at one time. 200 million plus used for k - 12 from one item being taxed

Colorado Pot Tax Revenue Surpasses $500 Million | Colorado News | US News
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...olorado-pot-tax-revenue-surpasses-500-million
 

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Even someone taught by low quality teachers knows that there are 12 months in a year. If you don’t work 3 of them....by definition you only work 9 months a year. Just about all salaried people work more than their prescribed hours. Several people have already pointed this out to you. You look foolish continually repeating it.
I can help you out with the compensation structure with pharmaceuticals and engineers and a lot of other industries. On the sales side; they work on Commissions, and the best ones sell a boat load and live like kings (and rightfully so, you eat what you kill) and the ones that can’t sell either live a ****** economical life or find a different job/career path. And on the home office side, people have a lower base salary and there is a bonus pool to be allocated. The top performers get the larger bonuses and live rather well economically and the low performers get smaller bonuses and A. Improve their performance to get a higher allocation the next time around B. Live on the crumbs they receive or C. Find a new career. The reason most people think they understand the compensation structure of a teacher is because it is very simple. The best math or science teacher receives the same pay as the worst physical education teacher and the next year it will be the same. Do you know why that is the structure? Because that is the structure the teachers and their union want.
In the past several years most people’s health insurance increased more than their pay. Do you think that is unique to teachers?
I would start a grass roots effort and ask that your taxes be tripled and a portion of it go towards increasing teacher pay. If you want teacher pay to be on par with the rest of the country, have your taxes be on par to cover it.
I tried to help a fellow northern panhandleer from making himself look like a fool, but continue on if you wish.
 

TC#27

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Yeah....in this glorious socialist utopia, we give parents money to feed their kids. Apparently that hasn't worked because we have to send food home with kids because the parent(s) is/are too busy to actually use the money we give them to feed the kids. WTF.
 

TC#27

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I saw where WV per capita spends close to what Kentucky and Ohio spend on education. Why isn't that money going into the teachers' pockets? Where is it going?
 

Mr. Kruger1

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I saw where WV per capita spends close to what Kentucky and Ohio spend on education. Why isn't that money going into the teachers' pockets? Where is it going?

State super makes $230k i saw. Has quarter million students I think it said. Cali Super has 6 million and makes $160k.

Having 55 boes and 55 supers that all make $100k plus real dumb too.
 

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State super makes $230k i saw. Has quarter million students I think it said. Cali Super has 6 million and makes $160k.

Having 55 boes and 55 supers that all make $100k plus real dumb too.
Thanks Uncle Joe!
 

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Teacher on Hoppy just said that her friend who is also a teacher pays $280 month to insure a family of 4.
 

Raven Shaddock

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These teachers inspire me to the point I wish I was employed and could lash out too.

Maybe when Beckley gets a Red Robin.

#EXTRAMEAT
 

Mdeer

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Dude been in there like 40 years and not one thing has improved. He will be in kc this week tho posing for the cameras (if we make the championship game)
It’s truly amazing that guy keeps getting elected doing nothing . He almost killed our AD and the University lmao
 

TC#27

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State super makes $230k i saw. Has quarter million students I think it said. Cali Super has 6 million and makes $160k.

Having 55 boes and 55 supers that all make $100k plus real dumb too.

Wood County BOE handles 10,000 students (I'm guessing). No reason 1 BOE and 1 Super can't handle multiple small counties like Pleasants, Ritchie, Doddridge. Our circuit courts handle multiple counties. 1 judge handles those three counties by himself.
 

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Wood County BOE handles 10,000 students (I'm guessing). No reason 1 BOE and 1 Super can't handle multiple small counties like Pleasants, Ritchie, Doddridge. Our circuit courts handle multiple counties. 1 judge handles those three counties by himself.
Yep and this is the type of fundamental changes that need to happen... That's what I think the Supers are so supportive of the teachers - they don't want the spotlight on them.