Lappas led them to the NIT his last two years and 4 years before Wright, they were 12-17.
Wow- Nova - all could be back!
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If all we lose is SGA and Diallo, we have no one to fear. They would be tough, but so would we.
I’m just not ready to over react. In the tourney things have to fall your way. They looked like pros but they were playing a Michigan team that hadn’t beat anyone lower seeded than a 6. I would take our team 60/40 over Michigan and we had flaws. So looking unbeatable against them is plausible. Beating Kansas was a good W. Do I think they could beat our team last year- yes. Do I think we could give them a run next year even if they all came back- yes.
Not true and silly
Take your guesses on who will develop over 4 years and see how it works. You have a shot to be right about half the time. I’ll take the best players we can get and enjoy the ride. If they are good enough to go I will be happy for them.
Last years for Lappas at Villanova starting in 95-2000
26-7
24-10
12-17
21-11
20-13
18-13
Jay Wright starting in 2001 at Villanova
19-13
15-16
18-17
24-8
28-5
22-11
22-13
30-8
25-8
21-12
13-19
20-14
29-5
33-3
35-5
32-4
36-4
So it's Michigan's fault that
UNC got blown out by TAMU
FSU beat Xavier and Gonzaga
UMBC beat Virginia
Nevada beat Cinci
Loyola beat Tennessee
?
Villanova beat Kansas (the only remaining #1 after the first weekend), Michigan, Texas Tech and WVU
Some of us have completely over exaggerated how good we were. We had two quality wins- WVU (#5 seed) and Tennessee (#3 seed first weekend exit) that we also lost to twice. We lost to a horrendous K-State team yet you think we were better than Michigan.
It's bizzaro world that is' somehow a team is considered weak for beating a team that beat someone else.
For those that look at numbers. Jay right won 257 games and lost 144 his forst 12 years at Villanova with a whopping win percentage of 56%....
Like I said Lappas had them in the NIT his last two years and they were 12-17 4 years before Wright. It took Jay a few years to get rolling but they were pretty good starting in year 4. About 10 years in he had a 3 year lull but after that he got rolling again and the last 4 years have been 32+ wins.
Regardless his record was just as good his last 2 as Wrights first 2 was at Nova taking over. For those that look at numbers. Jay right won 257 games and lost 144 his first 12 years at Villanova with a whopping win percentage of 56%.... He's a very good coach but he wouldn;t have been able to stay at any blue blood program with the many bad season's he's had at Nova.
And I would venture to guess the SOS was nowhere near the programs we are now trying to say he is “better” than. It’s just silly to argue. They won. They played great. That’s it for me. Means nothing more at this time.
I hope I do have an exaggerated view of my own team. I’m a fan. Comes from the word fanatic. Nothing is suppose to be rationale. That said, I still think we beat Michigan in a seven game series. Feel free to feel different.
No you wouldn’t. Your be calling for Cal’s/ Jays head if he had the same record the first 7 years
Jay/Cal wouldn’t have had the luxury of making this epic run had it been at UK bc fans would have run him off (imo)
Really? How can anbody call out another team's path after what we were given? Give credit where it's due. Nova deserves praise and recognition for their recent accomplishments. Cal/UK have ground to make up if we wanna raise another banner.
It would be nice to have another title, but there is no way I would trade UK's last 9 seasons for Nova's. Of course I would like to have their last 3 seasons, but you can cherry pick a great 3 year run from a lot of programs, UK included. It's just Nova's time right now. I couldn't imagine going through a 6 year run like Nova did:
2010 - 2 seed; second round loss to St. Mary's
2011 - 9 seed; first round loss to George Mason
2012 - 13-19 record; missed the NCAA and NIT tournaments
2013 - 9 seed; first round loss to UNC
2014 - 2 seed; second round loss to UConn
2015 - 1 seed; second round loss to NC State
How excruciatingly awful would that have been? Not to mention they were a 1 seed last year and lost in the second round to Wisconsin.
2010 - 2 seed; second round loss to St. Mary's
2011 - 9 seed; first round loss to George Mason
2012 - 13-19 record; missed the NCAA and NIT tournaments
2013 - 9 seed; first round loss to UNC
2014 - 2 seed; second round loss to UConn
2015 - 1 seed; second round loss to NC State
How excruciatingly awful would that have been? Not to mention they were a 1 seed last year and lost in the second round to Wisconsin.
All I'm saying is he didn't take over a powerhouse program and it took him a few years to get it going. Once he got going he 's done a great job except for that three year lull.
I didn’t realize that only 6 years ago they finished 13-19. And ESPN are now calling them a dynasty, after beating UNC on a 30 foot prayer two years ago, got beat the following year in the second game of the tournament, then beat Michigan this year for the title. In my book that ain’t the stuff of dynasties.
Very good, but dynasty? Granted two championships but also 7 2nd round or earlier exits in the tournament in the last 9 years.
What a powerhouse team....they lost to a 1-11 Big East titan's St. John's team AT HOME. Why? Because the St. John's 3 pt. shooters out-gunned them. Same story against mighty Providence who lost to A and M in the first round! Note the 3 point line in THAT game for Nova(3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 0-7 0.0% 2nd Half: 3-13 23.1% Game: 15.0%) What a great coach that Nova must have!
Moral of the story: you live by the three, you die by the three. Where have we seen this before?...hmmmm.
Moral of the story: you live by the three, you die by the three. Where have we seen this before?...hmmmm.
Ugh nova just disproved this theory. They manhandled everyone they played. Things went our way and we lost. Time for a new crackpot theory bc it seems to me the same teams keep winning titles.
They were only like 4 of 22 from three against Texas Tech and won.
The ridiculousness of some of our fans to trash everyone else and refuse to give credit is insane especially considering how bad we were and who we lost to.
I also like the harping on a regular season loss from months ago while also praising us despite losing six of nine at one point.
I’ve seen some absurd takes on here today where it’s just a refusal to give anyone credit. My favorite is the “didn’t play anyone.” Haha. What? They played the only one seed left and played two three seeds. Somehow they’re not “legit” by beating all of those teams by double digits and somehow it would be more impressive if they played a team who wasn’t good enough to get out of the first weekend.
Same group thought beating Davidson and Buffalo meant we were amazing and felt they need to bring up old threads as some claim of “gotcha” and then we lose to a horrendous K-State team and then have the audacity to bash Villanova. Lol
They absolutely do not. At least not here, unless this is now a subsidiary of ESPN. Let them get BJs and handjobs on their own board.
I don’t give a flying flip about Jay Wright or Villanova!! They won 2 whole championships and massively crapped the pot more than a 90 year old in depends the rest of the time. We are the Gold standard and like gold the value can go up and down but ultimately overtime it’s what everyone covets. Many of you say Kentucky is bigger than Cal. I agree so then ii is a helluva lot bigger than Villanova, Jay Wright and anyone else.
2018 is over as a season so it’s a new day and the future always should look bright for a Cat fan because ultimately for the past 100 years BBN is college basketball!!
Homer, wearing blue goggles, and chugging the coolade.
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I think you guys should actually read the posts. Nobody is denying credit. Just not ready to say greatest team of all time. They won. They deserved it. But don’t confuse how they beat MI with them being the GOAT. The point was MI was a lot like us- Flawed. Good games and bad. Nova lost to some questionable teams this year too. They had a great year. Doesn’t make their model superior or change the way we need to approach everything like some believe. They had a great year. Give credit and move on. Stop trying to make it an indictment of UK, Cal, OAD, etc. That’s just too much of a reach.
Best team won, but most teams had flaws this year and IMO there weren’t any great teams
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Jay Wright has a system, he got the players to believe in the system. Now he reaping the rewards. The 3 pt shooting is amazing but their passing is the best I've seen since the late 90's. Crisp dirext and with purpose. Their team defense was great as well. Finally, they played to win from buzzer to buzzer. Never played not to lose. That's coaching.
Butler wouldn't have stood a chance against Nova in the tournament. I don't think any team would've beat them in the NCAA tournament.
Wright is a good coach and with all the returners he gets to add to his offensive and defensive systems. We on the other hand are so basic with new players. Cal has to start his offense every year by installing a layup line drill while Wright gets to put in some additional sets he got from the NBA. Hoping and I think looking at our last 2 classes Cal has made the change of balancing out and controlling his roster.
You can't compare Wright at Nova with Cal at UK. But you can compare Wright at Nova with Cal at Memphis. Cal's first years at Memphis were NIT, NIT, First Round, Second Round, NIT. Wright's were NIT, NIT, NIT, Sweet Sixten, Elite Eight. Cal's last four years at Memphis were awesome just like Wright's last 5 at Nova have been awesome.
Yes you are correct. In his last 5 years he is
165-21. With 2 National Championships.. he has done a great job in last 5 years and seems to have most of his team coming back and if so will be dangerous again. He has just proven there are more than one way of winning at a high level. Cal’s way works for him and Wright’s way works for him.
I am satisfied where we are but we have underachieved 2 of the last 3 years in the tourney. We got beat by a not very good iu team in 16 and lost to a,definitely not very good KSU team this year
Wright is a great coach — but anyone’s crazy to call him better than Cal.
Cal has been to Final Fours with THREE different programs, two of whom were essentially mid-majors when he took over. That’s insane.
Cal’s strategy is to assemble the most talented roster possible. It’s not to redshirt half the kids that go through the program, like Wright. Wright can do that because Villanova has an extremely small alumni base, who are probably more concerned with the school’s academic standing than athletics. He can be extremely patient with developing his team — Cal doesn’t have that liberty.
If tomorrow Cal said the plan was to start recruiting 3 and 4 stars, redshirt them, and keep them around 5 years, and that it may start paying dividends by 2021 or 2022, people would be irate!
Kudos to Wright. But that strategy would not fly with BBN, or any Blue Blood for that matter.
Cal has been to Final Fours with THREE different programs, two of whom were essentially mid-majors when he took over. That’s insane.
Cal’s strategy is to assemble the most talented roster possible. It’s not to redshirt half the kids that go through the program, like Wright. Wright can do that because Villanova has an extremely small alumni base, who are probably more concerned with the school’s academic standing than athletics. He can be extremely patient with developing his team — Cal doesn’t have that liberty.
If tomorrow Cal said the plan was to start recruiting 3 and 4 stars, redshirt them, and keep them around 5 years, and that it may start paying dividends by 2021 or 2022, people would be irate!
Kudos to Wright. But that strategy would not fly with BBN, or any Blue Blood for that matter.
What if Cal said the plan was to recruit 3-4 star players, red shirt, write off the next two years that probably aren't going to end in titles, but go on 2 in 3 maybe 3 in 4 run after that?
What are we counting at UK these days fellas? Alumni in the green room and at NBA all star weekend, or banners?
Name the game so we're all on the same page...is it Titles, if so Jay Wright is winning...is it the prospect of titles, promises, using the program and it's lofty platform for promoting future individual stars, maybe it's overall marketing/salesmanship...Cal is probably winning that one...
Jay Wright has 2 and the way things are going he may get 2 more before Cal even sees another final 4...