Would you fire John Fox?

[57stratdawg]

There was a lot of smoke that he was coaching for his job today.

 

[jakldawg]

Like before he even got to the locker room. Plus, Del Rio would be fired, too. Let the Raiders have him. Ditch anything associated with the wretched special teams while we're at it.
Plus, I'd be tempted to trade Manning to somebody who'd take him (Titans?) for draft pics. And dump any of the crew of underachieving Patriots castoffs (the disappearing act Welker, the human holding call Talib...anybody I'm forgetting).
I'm in a great mood now.

 

[colodawg]

Fire Fox?

There was a lot of smoke that he was coaching for his job today.

After 3 divisional championships? Don't know what smoke you are talking about but those signals aren't in Denver. Or at least I haven't heard them.

 

[esplanade91]

After 3 divisional championships? Don't know what smoke you are talking about but those signals aren't in Denver. Or at least I haven't heard them.

Lot of NFL insiders are saying it's been discussed behind closed doors.

It's crazy how many of Manning's coaches have been fired.

 

[KurtRambis4]

What're they

going to do when Manning hangs it up?

 

[msstate7]

going to do when Manning hangs it up?

Suck

 

[ronpolk]

Lot of NFL insiders are saying it's been discussed behind closed doors.

It's crazy how many of Manning's coaches have been fired.

Which of Manning's coaches has been fired? The only one I can think of is Detroit's current coach. But I wouldn't really put that on manning. The only year he coached a healthy manning they went to the super bowl.

No I wouldn't fire him because I don't know that there is anyone better. You certainly wouldn't take on a rookie head coach knowing manning only has 1 maybe 2 years left. I'd have to have a commitment from Dungy or someone like that before I fired him.

 

[esplanade91]

I guess I was also thinking of Dungy, who retired. The point is that every Manning coach has a responsibility to just not screw things up. Dungy got fired from Tampa before having a ring of honor stint with the Colts.

Manning and Manning-less teams require two different coaches, so if tonight was his last game then it should be Fox's also.

 

[ronpolk]

I guess I was also thinking of Dungy, who retired. The point is that every Manning coach has a responsibility to just not screw things up. Dungy got fired from Tampa before having a ring of honor stint with the Colts.

Manning and Manning-less teams require two different coaches, so if tonight was his last game then it should be Fox's also.

I can agree with that. If manning does not come back you probably should make changes. If I'm Denver I get manning back and work on the OL and a RB and make 1 more run at it.

 

[muddawgs]

Manning overthrew 6 or 7 wide open receivers on deep balls.

I guess I was also thinking of Dungy, who retired. The point is that every Manning coach has a responsibility to just not screw things up. Dungy got fired from Tampa before having a ring of honor stint with the Colts.

Manning and Manning-less teams require two different coaches, so if tonight was his last game then it should be Fox's also.

Not sure how Fox gets blamed for that. He hits half of those and Broncos win. Hell even Sanders was getting pissed because Manning overthrew him 3 or 4 times. I blame coaches when the game plans are horrible. I don't think the game plan cost the broncos the game as much as the execution. Manning has to hit those receivers.

 

[esplanade91]

Not sure how Fox gets blamed for that. He hits half of those and Broncos win. Hell even Sanders was getting pissed because Manning overthrew him 3 or 4 times. I blame coaches when the game plans are horrible. I don't think the game plan cost the broncos the game as much as the execution. Manning has to hit those receivers.

Manning was also responsible for getting them to the playoffs, and without him they're a pretty average team all around. He's the HC in charge of offense. Defense just needs to be good enough so Manning gets the ball back and scores more than the other team.

Fox is a good coach, but if Manning is splitting then he should too. I don't think he could win and win regarly without the greatest football mind known to man throwing the ball.

 

[thf24]

Defense just needs to be good enough so Manning gets the ball back and scores more than the other team.

Asking the defense to hold the other team to less than 13 is a pretty tall order, even in the NFL. Manning isn't perfect, and this particular loss was on him just as much or more than it was on Fox.

 

[BiscuitEater]

There is DEFINITELY some smoke ...

After 3 divisional championships? Don't know what smoke you are talking about but those signals aren't in Denver. Or at least I haven't heard them.

Sorry you can't see it BUT it's there. Yes, there are 3 divisional championships (kind of like those SEC West Division championships that Stans won) AND three consecutive 'flame outs' at the end of the season.

Meanwhile, Elway has spent some big bucks and over $60 Million 'guaranteed' on the likes of Talib, Ware and TJ Ward. Meanwhile, Peyton added another year to his 'history' of NINE one-and-dones in the playoffs.

The Broncos had NINE Pro Bowlers on that team, most of them on defense, and they just didn't show up.

There are a lot of Bronco fans that think that Fox has squandered all that talent. And, many think that Fox is the problem, not the solution. Meanwhile, the clock is ticking on Peyton's career.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Peyton ...

Manning was also responsible for getting them to the playoffs, and without him they're a pretty average team all around. He's the HC in charge of offense. Defense just needs to be good enough so Manning gets the ball back and scores more than the other team.

is a 'winning' QB and gets his teams to the playoffs. But he also has a history of 'flaming out.' He added to his record NINE 'one-and-dones' in the playoffs yesterday. As a Bronco, Peyton has an outstanding regular season record of 38-10 BUT is only 2-3 in the playoffs.

Like I posted earlier ... Elway has spent big bucks on 'free agency' and NO TEAM had more Pro Bowlers that the Broncos NINE, five of which are on DEFENSE.

Elway got Wes Welker for $12M over two years... all world at the Pats, all but disappeared this year.

QB​	Peyton Manning	14​
DE​	DeMarcus Ware	8​
OT​	Ryan Clady	4​
LB​	Von Miller	3​
WR​	Demaryius Thomas	3​
CB​	Aqib Talib	2​
TE​	Julius Thomas	2​
S​	T.J. Ward	2​
CB​	Chris Harris Jr.	1​

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[jakldawg]

You want a horrible game plan? Sunday's game had elements of that, too. They ran the same outside screen for 1.5 yards in what seemed like every single series. They've freaked out and abandoned the run way too early in several games this season.
Want more atrocious play calling? The Bengals game. Cold, rainy, late in the game 3rd and 1. Classic late season/playoff scenario. Grown man football. What do the Broncos do? Manning throws up a pick-6. that game John Fox was essentially outcoached by Marvin Lewis (!) all damn night.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Dumb.

It's not like the Broncos are the only talented team in the NFL. Everyone has good players and anyone can get beat on a given day. It was not John Fox's fault that the Pro Bowl receivers couldn't catch the ball.

This would be similarto what San Diego did a few years ago when they fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 regular season. They completely upgraded by getting Norv Turner***.

Maybe if you want to blame someone, Blame Peyton Manning for not being a gamer. He constantly under performs in the playoffs.

 

[Sutterkane]

 

[KurtRambis4]

Welker of the Pats

is not Welker of the Broncos, and it has little to do w QBs. The guy is just beat up and done.

 

[colodawg]

forest fire this morning!

Sorry you can't see it BUT it's there. Yes, there are 3 divisional championships (kind of like those SEC West Division championships that Stans won) AND three consecutive 'flame outs' at the end of the season.

Meanwhile, Elway has spent some big bucks and over $60 Million 'guaranteed' on the likes of Talib, Ware and TJ Ward. Meanwhile, Peyton added another year to his 'history' of NINE one-and-dones in the playoffs.

The Broncos had NINE Pro Bowlers on that team, most of them on defense, and they just didn't show up.

There are a lot of Bronco fans that think that Fox has squandered all that talent. And, many think that Fox is the problem, not the solution. Meanwhile, the clock is ticking on Peyton's career.

In the ignorant bliss of retirement and thinking we were going to the Super Bowl I have been oblivious to the unrest - but it's here today! The Denver Post has several articles citing the possibility and one editorial calling for Fox to go. The thought is that he will "step down" rather than be fired - especially if Peyton announces his retirement. Lot of talk this morning.

 

[patdog]

Just checked for the hell of it. Out of 30 QBs to start 10+ postseason games, only Warren Moon, Dan Haselbeck and Dan Marino have a worse playoff record than Peyton Manning.

 

[Dawgg]

Manning was also responsible for getting them to the playoffs, and without him they're a pretty average team all around.

To be fair... so was Tebow.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Okay,

Dumb.

It's not like the Broncos are the only talented team in the NFL. Everyone has good players and anyone can get beat on a given day. It was not John Fox's fault that the Pro Bowl receivers couldn't catch the ball.

Name those 'other' talented NFL teams with NINE Pro Bowlers on their roster. Final four teams in the AFC had ... Broncos - 9, Colts - 5, Patriots - 5, and Ravens - 3. In the NFC, final four teams had ... Cowboys - 6, Packers -5, Seahawks - 5 and Panthers - 2.

Put another way ... Broncos had two more pro-bowlers than the entire ... Titans, Jaguars, Chargers, Raiders, Jets, Texans and Bengals ... put together.

Bottom Line .. yea, there are some other talented NFL teams ... but other teams with LESS talent have done MORE than the Broncos under Fox.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Ever thought of the fact

That several of these guys may have made the pro bowl because they are playing under Fox ?

Manning, Demarius, Ware are superstars, but it is a testament to the coach that he is getting that many guys on the pro bowl roster.

Also, John Fox is one of 6 head coaches in NFL history to have gone to the Super Bowl with 2 different teams.

The others:

Dick Vermeil
Mike Holmgren
Bill Parcels
Dan Reeves
Don Shula

Fox also made it to the Super Bowl with Jake Delhomme as his QB.

 

[121Josey]

John Elway would. And he did.

 

[57stratdawg]

Yep. Fox has been let go.

 

[Predestined]

Mullen to Denver!!!!

So do they go fresh face? Retread? Kubiak just turned down an interview with another team. I wonder....

 

[Thirty-Two Dive]

Malzahn to Denver. HUNH in High Altitude?

It probably would go over like Paul Westhead coaching the Nuggets...

 

[512taylor]

There was a lot of smoke that he was coaching for his job today.

No