Would you be happy with 5-7?
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Let me put it this way. A lawyer, of all people, should know when to call a lawyer, and should realize when he is being given bum advice. The decision to fire a coach based on allegations without investigating the allegations first is obviously so stupid that even a lawyer should know not to do it, no matter what he is being advised.
Oh I found a scenario where I would be happy with 5-7.
Ash goes 0-7 to start the year gets fired.
McNulty gets elevated to HC and finishes the year 5-0.
It'll never happen, but people can dream.
Ash goes 0-7 to start the year gets fired.
McNulty gets elevated to HC and finishes the year 5-0.
It'll never happen, but people can dream.
How does a year get added to the rebuild every passing year? At the beginning it was spoken of as 3-4 years, after the Kansas embarrassment Chris "nobody said this would be easy" Ash changed it to "four, five, even six years," now it's 5 to 7?
Guess you are new here . Go back to my posts from day 1 and it’s always been a 5 to 7 year rebuild . The only people who don’t know that are people that have decided on their own that’s it was a quick 2 of 3 year rebuild. Please wake up.
McNulty gives a great interview but I'm not sure he's that great of a college coach. He was a good OC over a decade ago. But I think he's a tad bit overrated. Also, I hope he knows what he's doing giving Art the longest leash I've ever seen in my life. Also, I'm not impressed with what I know about Cole Snyder but I could be wrong.
We have been agreeing more than disagreeing as of late, but here:
1. How is he overrated? I don't think anyone here is proclaiming him great or even good. Not after last year. Let's be real. Great players make an average coach look good or great. Bad players make a great or good coach look mediocre or bad. You watch- Flood is going to turn into a phenom at Alabama and a recruiting juggernaut.
2. As to giving Art the longest leash, let's be real again. There really isn't another dog in the fight right now, is there. And as far as last year, he probably did the right thing giving Art most of the reps. Giving reps to Gio did not have a major upside. That is not a dis of Gio, it just was not going to do the team or Gio any good. Gio was a hard nosed player a great team mate, but he is not going to the next level.
3. What do you know about Cole Snyder that you are not impressed about? Yes, he did not play in a league with tough competition. But he is a 3 sport athlete, including hockey, which indicates he will be a baller. Let's see how he develops. Don't sleep on Cooper Heisey.
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I’ll agree about Heisey. I don’t really like Snyder’s tape. Looks like a 1AA player to me. And people were definitely acting like McNulty was going to drastically improve our offense.
Here's the thing, however. We had the Mehringer one and done, and then the Jerry Kill one and done. Neither showed much. While you can't argue above Kill's overall resume, he was never going to be here very long. McNulty has a long offensive resume, but is had been a while since he called plays. I'm giving him a pass for last year. He did not have much to work with. Not saying he is going to work magic, but we should see improvement this year. Can't get any worse, can it?
Relatively new here and wide awake, with too many better things to do than scour through posts to see what RUbacker thought on day one of the Ash hire. What I do know is that if you, Hobbs or anybody else thought that Ash's first recruiting class would play all four years at Rutgers, graduate, then his fifth class would play two or three years before Rutgers had a winning team, and that this would be reasonable, I'm not the one who's sleeping.
We are expecting to see vast improvement when we're in year 7 of our 12 year rebuild.
We are expecting to see vast improvement when we're in year 7 of our 12 year rebuild.
Let's see, you told me to "wake up, please" in a manner that was snarky if not condescending, I explain why I don't think I'm the one who's asleep, and that makes me an ***? Gotcha. Sad to see you move on, let's check back in at the end of this rebuild.
This. Read somewhere that Art’s INTs are continuing in Spring Practice.
Hope that is wrong or McNulty needs to shorten the leash.
Did you read this on the other board?
Also, saw this comment to Todderick's story today:
" Rumors are swirling that RU is waiting for the post Spring Games grad transfer announcements with an eye towards taking a QB if a decent one pops up and is interested. Really can't see RU going in to the season with only 1 scholarship QB with less than one full year's experience, especially if the Langan waiver doesn't happen."
The two decisions that may have doomed the Ash era:
-Mehringer as OC (which continued the musical chairs at OC phenomenon)
-Going all-in on Sit
Joe P.
It’s been at least a 5 to 7 year rebuild based on the school plan from day 1. Whether you agree or don’t like it or in your case totally not aware , it does not matter
yes we are looking at some and will have to get one. That’s the plan. We can’t go into the season with the qb lineup that we have now . Stay tuned.
Obviously, we'd all be happy if Rutgers Football won more games this season than they did last season... but personally, I wouldn't be content @ 5 - 7. We can't continue to accept mediocrity and expect anything more. While I'm certain that Ash is not the right HC for the Program, the financial weight of his contract probably buys him another season @ 5 - 7. I'll say this, if the word 'restructure' even remotely dribbles from Hobbs mouth following next season, ya gotta can 'em both on the spot. Following-up poor hires with a lack of financial discipline is a recipe for disaster!
To be fair Ash completed only 3 years of a 5 to 7 year rebuild by mr Hobbs. So you have to judge things based on that.
Was it at all realistic that Ash would retain Flood's last OC (whose name I forget)? Weren't we bound to continue the musical chairs? Of course, it would have been much better if Ash's first choice had not been someone who didn't have the experience or savvy to do a good job.
What I was thinking was more the first OC hire wouldn’t flame out in 1 season.
Joe P.
It was an ill-advised hire from day 1. Ash should have thought it through. He has no clue on offense (he admits it), and he hires a guy with no P5 experience to run his offense? Bad move.
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I just don't buy the 5 to 7 year rebuild story...particularly since 'built' under the RU Admin likely equates to consistent 5/7 - 7/5 seasons. With the right coaches and the right support, demonstrable progress should be evident in year 3. 1 - 11...not so much. See Brohm/Purdue for an accelerated time-line. Most RU fans have become begrudingly skilled in the art of patience. Show us even a whif of progress - ala Pike - and most will be effusive in their praise. Unfortunately, not only is Ash not progressing, he's regressing. My fear, is that the longer he's HC, the smaller the candidate pool for difference makers.
Don't think regressing is a completely fair statement given the state of the roster he took over. Let's reevaluate after this year. And progressing does not mean 2 or 3 wins. 5 or more wins, and he may be progressing. Not defending the guy.
And I tend to think if we canned him after 3 years, that would have made the pool of interested candidates smaller. You don't fire a guy after 3 years when the previous coach was a **** show.
I don't believe Ash is the answer and wish he was gone, but 4 years is the right amount of time on a rebuild evaluation for progress.
I hear you.
To your first point though, if a 1 - 11 season isn't regressing, then I don't know what is. And, aside from some late-season glimmers of hope - once Ash took over the DC role -, it was unfortunately a legitimate 1 - 11.
You may be right about necessitating at least 4-years for a fair coaching cycle. However, if the RU Admin finally decided that they were going to provide the sort of financial and cultural support necessary to win/compete in the B1G East, I think that level of demonstrated commitment would override what others might view as an unjustifiably quick termination.
Hey...here's to hoping that Ash knocks it out of the park this season and makes us nay-sayers feast on crow.
To your first point though, if a 1 - 11 season isn't regressing, then I don't know what is. And, aside from some late-season glimmers of hope - once Ash took over the DC role -, it was unfortunately a legitimate 1 - 11.
You may be right about necessitating at least 4-years for a fair coaching cycle. However, if the RU Admin finally decided that they were going to provide the sort of financial and cultural support necessary to win/compete in the B1G East, I think that level of demonstrated commitment would override what others might view as an unjustifiably quick termination.
Hey...here's to hoping that Ash knocks it out of the park this season and makes us nay-sayers feast on crow.
Yeah, it does not take a genius to look at 4-8 to 1-11 and say that is regression, but as I mentioned, it was the continued loss of serviceable players and loss of depth that killed Ash.
The thing/things many of us are still trying to figure out is WTF happened on offense. While Art's numbers were not good, we could see how he was getting destroyed by the pass rush and our receivers rarely helped out.
Ash's greatest hope HAS to be in improved performance of the OL. Blazek was a nice guy and a real spark plug, but how the hell did the OL not progress over three years? Several OL interviews this Spring have referred to new techniques being taught by Coach Ross. Have also seen numerous comments that the coordination on OL was not where it should have been. That seems to be a major coaching issue. Maybe Ash should have moved on from Blazek after year 2?
Will reiterate--I would have liked to see Ash gone if we had deep pockets and unlimited resources to bring in a guy like Pedersen at Washington or Mike Leach at Washington State. But we don't. And I do believe that giving him one more year will look better to those coaches that may be looking at us as their next opportunity--or that is what I will say to myself next year if Ash lays more eggs on the field to dull the weekly pain.
Still smarting over Buffalo kicking our teeth in on the football field, making the NCAA men's tourney and winning and their women's hoops team taking out our women's team tonight. Maybe things will start to turn for RU in 2019-20.
I know Hobbs has done a comparatively masterful job raising funds, but he's also made imo too many questionable hiring, retention and contractual (ironically) decisions. When/if RU is in the market for a new AD, the Buffalo AD (if available) should definitely be on the short list. Speaking of personnel decisions, I think the difficulty Ash has had selling the program to B1G (top-half) level student/athletes can also be said for his ability to sell the program to coveted coaching staff as well.
Actually agree with you and this wouldve happened in a perfect world. But its not and Rutgers is stuck.
You don’t “buy it “ ? Not sure what that means exactly except you do not believe that Hobbs had a long term rebuild plan . When he hired Ash he knew all that needed to be done and he also knew Ash was not the guy to turn things around in 2 years . He hired Ash knowing it was going to be a long haul.
I just want to hit the fast forward button on the season and get to our next coach already. We will not be able to move the ball in B1G games.
Not particularly related to the thread but since you brought Leach up I thought I'd post an article I came across with regards to Graham Harrell at USC and his philosophy that you know I fully endorse and have mentioned here many times...not Air Raid specifically but KISS.
From the article:
“The best thing about Green Bay is I got to see it done a different way, see it called a different way, and I think it just really strengthened my belief in the way we do things,” Harrell said Monday in his first interview with reporters since becoming USC’s offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.
“There it’s the West Coast offense, the playbook is this big and every play call feels like a paragraph. I used to tell them all the time, ‘If you pay me enough money, I’ll simplify this whole thing for you and make it a lot easier.’ They didn’t like that. It was a badge of honor that they could remember a paragraph.”
Six years after Harrell’s last game with the Packers, USC coach Clay Helton decided to take him up on a similar offer. Harrell, 33, has been hired to simplify the Trojans offense and make it more player-friendly.
With Helton hiring two Leach guys in Harrell and Kliff Kingsbury this offseason, it’s natural to assume that USC is going “Air Raid.” Helton has said it won’t be “true Air Raid” because Harrell actually cares about running the ball and has utilized sets with one or two tight ends. But that’s taking it too literally.
“The Air Raid offense is more of a philosophy than actual Xs and Os,” Harrell said. “The philosophy is keep it easy and let the guys go play. It’s an execution-based offense. You’re not going to go in there and try to out-scheme people. It’s an identity. It gives you an identity. This is who we are, and we’re going to be good at what we do.”
Harrell doesn’t claim to be a genius. His whole point is that, in his offense, nobody has to be.
“I don’t believe there’s any magic or anything secret to what we do,” he said. “If anyone wants to come, any college or high schools, come in, and I’ll tell them everything we’re doing. I don’t think what we’re doing is any different than what anyone else is doing. There is a lot of great offense out there, and a lot of great plays out there. You just can’t be great at all of them. That’s what I think Leach does an unbelievable job of: ‘We’re just going to be great at these plays, and that’s it.’”
The other thing Harrell says he took from Leach, who hired Harrell to coach outside wide receivers at Washington State during 2014-15: make fun a priority.
“Coach Leach used to tell me this, and I don’t ever tell my quarterbacks this … ‘What I’m giving you is a suggestion. You can call whatever you want,’” Harrell said. “If they see something, and they want to change the play I’ve called, I’m fine with that, just make it work. If it didn’t work, I’ll tell them that’s a dumb idea. If it does work, I’ll say great idea.”
https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-graham-harrell-usc-20190225-story.html