Would A Final Four Change Your Perception

[morgousky]

If the options are so plentiful, why were we rejected so often in our last 3 coaching searches. People with the mindset that UK is some ultimate destination or coveted job that can land anyone they desire are fooling themselves.

We weren't rejected often. there are different situations in different times.

Billy Donovan flirted with the UK job, had a contract drawn up, and nearly became the UK head coach in the middle of title runs at Florida. The only reason he turned it down was because he ended up wanting the NBA. Had he wanted to stay in college he'd be at UK right now.

Who else? Olson? He accepted the job but didn't have the stomach to go through with it. He wanted it too, just couldn't make the jump.

Who are all of these coaches who have turned UK down?

I don't think you're a UK fan to be honest, I think you're a troll of another team that's here to stir the pot.

 

[KRJ1975]

Absolutely. The 2014 team looked this bad late into SEC play and put it all together for a deep run. All that matters is March.

 

[KRJ1975]

We weren't rejected often. there are different situations in different times.

Billy Donovan flirted with the UK job, had a contract drawn up, and nearly became the UK head coach in the middle of title runs at Florida. The only reason he turned it down was because he ended up wanting the NBA. Had he wanted to stay in college he'd be at UK right now.

Who else? Olson? He accepted the job but didn't have the stomach to go through with it. He wanted it too, just couldn't make the jump.

Who are all of these coaches who have turned UK down?

I don't think you're a UK fan to be honest, I think you're a troll of another team that's here to stir the pot.

Rick Barnes has already removed his name from consideration in our next coaching search.

 

[Old Blue Fart]

Any CBB coach who didn’t embrace a movement seen as vital to an overwhelming percentage of their team would be stupid. Who knows anyone’s personal opinions? What’s Cal gonna do, come out and say this BLM **** is stupid? Stay quiet and not support his team? Can’t do either of those. He did what he should have done. Be a man and don’t let someone’s else’s actions hurt your feelings. Pretty easy really.

This is a great example of the expression 'being caught between a rock and hard place" for Coach Cal.
I did not like his views but understand he pisses off many either way.

 

[Kampus Korner_rivals164031]

My concern is I’m not sure what we have in Cal anymore. What we had in Cal for 5-6 years is not the Cal we have today. There are a lot of guys that could give us the results we’ve had over the last 5 years or so.

who do you want?

 

[morgousky]

Ohh, I think Cal has definitely embraced it, and I am happy about that. It would have been recruiting suicide not to. Most people around here just regurgitate what they hear about these groups without educating themselves. I am glad we have a coach that doesn't pander to the ignorance of the fans and seems to enjoy ridiculing, mocking and degrading them at each turn. They deserve it! The fact that their anger and frustration for him is only growing is rewarding to witness. I hope that man stays here for years and years to come.

LMAO you are far from educated, but you know that already. And you're a feminine puss too, good to know. You want a coach to stick around because you enjoy his puss political routine.

What a damn joke, you are absolutely pitiful.

Honestly, let's see, I've got two people on ignore. You get to be number 3!

God you self hating pussies are the worst.

 

[STL_Cat]

who do you want?

Well what I really want is for Cal to be better.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

We weren't rejected often. there are different situations in different times.

Billy Donovan flirted with the UK job, had a contract drawn up, and nearly became the UK head coach in the middle of title runs at Florida. The only reason he turned it down was because he ended up wanting the NBA. Had he wanted to stay in college he'd be at UK right now.

Who else? Olson? He accepted the job but didn't have the stomach to go through with it. He wanted it too, just couldn't make the jump.

Who are all of these coaches who have turned UK down?

I don't think you're a UK fan to be honest, I think you're a troll of another team that's here to stir the pot.

Once talked to Mike Pratt and Sam Bowie regarding Donavan. Pratt pretty much said this. But said BD was happy staying at UF.

 

[loublue22_rivals308424]

My perspective would be changed if aliens landed or I won the lottery, those are about as useful to consider as this hypothetical.

 

[morgousky]

Once talked to Mike Pratt and Sam Bowie regarding Donavan. Pratt pretty much said this. But said BD was happy staying at UF.

Donovan had a contract drawn up at UK, showed up to sign it, and walked away. The name you used is on the money.

It wasn't about staying at Florida, he would have left for UK if that was the goal. It was all about the move to the NBA.

Kentucky has never had an issue with being turned down for the head coaching job. Some of these guys are just Cal loving idiots.

 

[morgousky]

who do you want?

Who would you accept as an answer. In your mind, Cal is still the best in the business. NO names can compete with your distorted view of who Cal is.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

The thing about replacing Cal, whenever that time comes, is that the new coach will have nothing to build on. So the first couple of years will just be trying to get some bodies in here because we lose most of them every year either to the NBA, transfer or being a grad student. I just hope whoever it is gets players quickly because IU has proven being a blue blood means nothing if you have 8-10 lean years you will get left behind.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Any CBB coach who didn’t embrace a movement seen as vital to an overwhelming percentage of their team would be stupid. Who knows anyone’s personal opinions? What’s Cal gonna do, come out and say this BLM **** is stupid? Stay quiet and not support his team? Can’t do either of those. He did what he should have done. Be a man and don’t let someone’s else’s actions hurt your feelings. Pretty easy really.

What are you saying? I don’t have a right to my opinion. Cal could easily have did what Dabo Sweeney did. Simply say that he don’t think it was a good idea to bring politics into sports. End of story. Cal can have his opinions and he can support BLM any way he wishes. But when he asks BBN to join him in his support, he crosses a line.

 

[morgousky]

Agree. And for many, the BLM stuff is used by them to say "we got him now!!!" They already hated him and are pitifully blowing that stuff way out of proportion because they have an agenda. I've asked several of them to show me anytime in the last several months that he's supported that movement. They can't do it because he hasn't once he figured it all out, as many did. Name a single coach anywhere that is out front supporting that movement? They can't do it.

Your own football coach marched for them while wearing the shirt, and throwing support behind the movement.

Are you this stupid?

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

Absolutely. The 2014 team looked this bad late into SEC play and put it all together for a deep run. All that matters is March.

No it doesn’t. ****** Novembers and Decembers= crappy tourney seeding.

 

[morgousky]

Absolutely. The 2014 team looked this bad late into SEC play and put it all together for a deep run. All that matters is March.

All that matters is March? So that would give Cal a 1-9 record in the only game that truly matters in March, right?

And you do realize Cal doesn't really win that much in March anymore. Elite eight, second rounds, home.

This line of thinking that "only march matters" is a huge problem at UK. It allows Cal to completely not care one bit about any of our accomplishments, head to heads, conference dominance, because he's convinced you his probable loss in march is the only thing that matters. Do not buy into that ********.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

What are you saying? I don’t have a right to my opinion. Cal could easily have did what Dabo Sweeney did. Simply say that he don’t think it was a good idea to bring politics into sports. End of story. Cal can have his opinions and he can support BLM any way he wishes. But when he asks BBN to join him in his support, he crosses a line.

You have every right to your opinion. That’s what I said. I give you credit here, good insight. Guess I didn’t see where Cal asked me to support it; just saw that he was supporting his team. If he did ask the entirety of BBN to support, I would just believe he was doing that for his team as well. But that’s what I get for assuming, right?

 

[KRJ1975]

No it doesn’t. ****** Novembers and Decembers= crappy tourney seeding.

We've made Final Fours under Cal as 4 and 8 seeds and have flamed out at 2 seeds. If we are good enough, we are good enough.

 

[KRJ1975]

All that matters is March? So that would give Cal a 1-9 record in the only game that truly matters in March, right?

And you do realize Cal doesn't really win that much in March anymore. Elite eight, second rounds, home.

This line of thinking that "only march matters" is a huge problem at UK. It allows Cal to completely not care one bit about any of our accomplishments, head to heads, conference dominance, because he's convinced you his probably loss in march is the only thing that matters. Do not buy into that ********.

Oh I agree. He is 1-9 in games that matter, period. Early flameouts are no good. However, the specific question was "would a final four change your perception," so I answered yes. A run to the 2nd weekend is meaningless to me.

 

[morgousky]

You have every right to your opinion. That’s what I said. I give you credit here, good insight. Guess I didn’t see where Cal asked me to support it; just saw that he was supporting his team. If he did ask the entirety of BBN to support, I would just believe he was doing that for his team as well. But that’s what I get for assuming, right?

Cal told you and me to listen to the marxist brainwashing, then threw his support behind a movement that wants to continue the destruction of the Black family.

It's not okay.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

I don't understand the ones that say no because the system would still be broken.

I mean if he took this team to a final four, combined with the title and the other final fours, wouldn't it be indication of a system that IS indeed working?

Granted you might not like it, but the results would speak for themselves.

Actually up to this point, a title, four final fours, three elite 8s..........most years this system has worked.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

All that matters is March? So that would give Cal a 1-9 record in the only game that truly matters in March, right?

And you do realize Cal doesn't really win that much in March anymore. Elite eight, second rounds, home.

This line of thinking that "only march matters" is a huge problem at UK. It allows Cal to completely not care one bit about any of our accomplishments, head to heads, conference dominance, because he's convinced you his probable loss in march is the only thing that matters. Do not buy into that ********.

Definitely don’t believe that all that matters is March. March ain’t gonna be fruitful without a descent regular season. We’ve seen that. Marching through a tougher bracket leads to losses before final weekend. But I’ll gladly trade some regular season trophies if we can get back to the final four. IF!

 

[morgousky]

I don't understand the ones that say no because the system would still be broken.

I mean if he took this team to a final four, combined with the title and the other final fours, wouldn't it be indication of a system that IS indeed working?

Granted you might not like it, but the results would speak for themselves.

Actually up to this point, a title, four final fours, three elite 8s..........most years this system has worked.

Well, have fun with the hypothetical I guess. It's not happening. Let's get back to the real world for a second.

UK is in all likelihood headed to the NIT. Cal is entering a dangerous territory, and his system does not work. You can continue to ignore the statistical fact that his first 5 and his last 5 are night and day, but you're only conflating the two to try and lessen the blow.

 

[TankedCat]

All that matters is March? So that would give Cal a 1-9 record in the only game that truly matters in March, right?

And you do realize Cal doesn't really win that much in March anymore. Elite eight, second rounds, home.

This line of thinking that "only march matters" is a huge problem at UK. It allows Cal to completely not care one bit about any of our accomplishments, head to heads, conference dominance, because he's convinced you his probable loss in march is the only thing that matters. Do not buy into that ********.

its also why Kansas is creeping up in our rear view mirror in all time wins.

If Kansas passes us while Cal is coach, ugly won't begin to describe the fanbase reaction to it.

 

[BlueWorldOrder74]

Cal told you and me to listen to the marxist brainwashing, then threw his support behind a movement that wants to continue the destruction of the Black family.

It's not okay.

I guess I’m just smart enough to know I don’t need to listen then? I could give a **** what Cal tells me to do. He can support whatever he wants, and I’ll do what suits me. But he needs to win. Of course he isn’t currently, but I believe he has the ability to do so if helge decides to change it up a bit. And if we get to a ff this season, we’ll then, I’m good to go for a bit longer.

 

[CB3UK]

No. I mean Dennis Felton got in and Georgia fans stuck with him another season or two after that 2008 SECT run all because of that, even though they were calling for his head before that.

Will Muschamp would have been fired last year at South Carolina, the win over Kentucky saved his job (even though they were dishonest with themselves about how injured Sawyer was....it would be the same as us beating our chest over embarrassing their decimated squad this year.) Fast forward to today and look at how they are.


If the system is broken, it's broken. It CAN be fixed. Calipari isnt a Boom or Felton. He is a HoFer. But he's gotten fat and content. He doesn't have the same swagger or hunger.

Larry Vaught pointed out in the press conference that being down 22 at home at halftime was the LARGEST DEFICIT EVER for a Kentucky team. And Cal immediately sniped back "well we don't have any fans in the stands." I mean....really? What kind of bs beta excuse making ******** is that Cal. You get paid $10 million a year. Notre Dame had SEVEN scholarship players out there Saturday. SEVEN!

What a joke!

 

[morgousky]

I guess I’m just smart enough to know I don’t need to listen then? I could give a **** what Cal tells me to do. He can support whatever he wants, and I’ll do what suits me. But he needs to win. Of course he isn’t currently, but I believe he has the ability to do so if helge decides to change it up a bit. And if we get to a ff this season, we’ll then, I’m good to go for a bit longer.

That wasn't my point. But I do care about the head coach of UK promoting an organization that promotes the destruction of the Black family, and he did not stick up for the Rupp's at all. He's a charlatan coward, I don't care what anyone says. The man stood shoulder to shoulder with the Rupp family, then stuck a knife in their back.

We have allowed that man to make a mockery of an academic institution, our traditions, and the people who made this program what it is.

So I'm not okay with it, and he doesn't win enough to deal with it.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Well, have fun with the hypothetical I guess. It's not happening. Let's get back to the real world for a second.

UK is in all likelihood headed to the NIT. Cal is entering a dangerous territory, and his system does not work. You can continue to ignore the statistical fact that his first 5 and his last 5 are night and day, but you're only conflating the two to try and lessen the blow.

I'm not saying it's going to happen. I have no reason to believe this team makes the NCAA tournament much less a final four at this point.

I'm just pointing out the bias that people have.

If Cal gets results in the future with this current system and people still say well it doesn't work, that to me kinda shows it's not even about the system, but the mere fact they dislike Cal.

 

[morgousky]

No. I mean Dennis Felton got in and Georgia fans stuck with him another season or two after that 2008 SECT run all because of that, even though they were calling for his head before that.

Will Muschamp would have been fired last year at South Carolina, the win over Kentucky saved his job (even though they were dishonest with themselves about how injured Sawyer was....it would be the same as us beating our chest over embarrassing their decimated squad this year.) Fast forward to today and look at how they are.


If the system is broken, it's broken. It CAN be fixed. Calipari isnt a Boom or Felton. He is a HoFer. But he's gotten fat and content. He doesn't have the same swagger or hunger.

Larry Vaught pointed out in the press conference that being down 22 at home at halftime was the LARGEST DEFICIT EVER for a Kentucky team. And Cal immediately sniped back "well we don't have any fans in the stands." I mean....really? What kind of bs beta excuse making ******** is that Cal. You get paid $10 million a year. Notre Dame had SEVEN scholarship players out there Saturday. SEVEN!

What a joke!

Then he turns around and says what the fans think doesn't matter and he doesn't think about it. But he needs us to not be the worst version of UK we've seen.

okay Mr. Cal

 

[KRJ1975]

Historically we make about 2 Final Fours and win about 1 title per decade. Cal has exceeded the FF count and is even when it comes to titles (which have tended to come in bunches, by the way, with some long droughts mixed in.) I'm not a fan of the system, I had much more fun watching the 96 and 98 teams win titles than I did watching the 2012 team. The 2015 season seemed like it was relief after each win, not joy, and I frankly wasn't that bummed when we lost because I wasn't that attached to the players. The tourney losses in 2003 and 2005 stuck with me much more than 2015 did.

My main question would be who would deliver better results? Or, would we be satisfied with some degradation to historical averages if it meant no more one and dones? It's a nuanced question that doesn't have an absolute answer IMO.

 

[morgousky]

I'm not saying it's going to happen. I have no reason to believe this team makes the NCAA tournament much less a final four at this point.

I'm just pointing out the bias that people have.

If Cal gets results in the future with this current system and people still say well it doesn't work, that to me kinda shows it's not even about the system, but the mere fact they dislike Cal.

What you're saying is irrelevant. It's not going to happen, there is no hypocrisy.

KenPom is showing UK going 12-14, one of the worst seasons in history, and you're telling me you're interested in hypothetical fan hypocrisy that doesn't exist?

 

[TankedCat]

also, this idea that Cal tells UK what our priorities should be versus the other way around is complete BS.

You were handed a program with the responsibility of carrying on the traditions associated with it. Not to go off in a direction of eliminating them one by one if they became too burdonsome for you to continue.

I think the general fan consensus is Cal - STFU and win. that's your job and you suck at it.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

What you're saying is irrelevant. It's not going to happen, there is no hypocrisy.

KenPom is showing UK going 12-14, one of the worst seasons in history, and you're telling me you're interested in hypothetical fan hypocrisy that doesn't exist?

This season to me is an outlier tho.

When the heck does UK ever have seasons as bad as this one? Hardly ever.

People were complaining about the system before this season. Even tho we had good teams in 17,19 and 2020

 

[morgousky]

also, this idea that Cal tells UK what our priorities should be versus the other way around is complete BS.

You were handed a program with the responsibility of carrying on the traditions associated with it. Not to go off in a direction of eliminating them one by one if they became too burdonsome for you to continue.

I think the general fan consensus is Cal - STFU and win. that's your job and you suck at it.

As usual, on point.

It's not Cals job to dictate to fans, it's his job to keep our standing and our place in history, win basketball games, and continue the excellence.

All of this other stuff is just noise and a way to get around the fact that he sucks nowadays.

 

[morgousky]

This season to me is an outlier tho.

When the heck does UK ever have seasons as bad as this one? Hardly ever.

People were complaining about the system before this season. Even tho we had good teams in 17,19 and 2020

Well, the system sucks. It only really worked well for a handful of years, and that was because of a few players will will never see again. It's also because of an NBA lockout, which, will never happen again. Cal has 1 title at UK in a decade because of an NBA lockout, a senior in miller that he did not recruit, and AD.

And you're telling me the system works? The system is ****.

We need to get back to fundamentals and tradition. You cannot compete at a high level with 18 year olds, turnover, and selfish me first principles. I know the new age rage is traditional methods don't matter, but they absolutely do, and we're now seeing it.

Play in hypotheticals that you already know don't exist if it makes ya feel better man.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Well, have fun with the hypothetical I guess. It's not happening. Let's get back to the real world for a second.

UK is in all likelihood headed to the NIT. Cal is entering a dangerous territory, and his system does not work. You can continue to ignore the statistical fact that his first 5 and his last 5 are night and day, but you're only conflating the two to try and lessen the blow.

Last five years of Tubby and Cal are scary similar. With an exception. Tubby never took us to the NIT, Cal is staring at his second one here.

 

[TankedCat]

did we ever think we were headed to the NIT with Tubby?

 

[KyFaninNC]

What you're saying is irrelevant. It's not going to happen, there is no hypocrisy.

KenPom is showing UK going 12-14, one of the worst seasons in history, and you're telling me you're interested in hypothetical fan hypocrisy that doesn't exist?

All with the #1 ranked class that many on here were already crowing them winning #9.

 

[morgousky]

did we ever think we were headed to the NIT with Tubby?

Only 1 year toward the end, and we ended up in the tournament. I never questioned whether or not we'd make the tournament with Tubby really and no one else did either.

@The_Answer1313 , is making the NIT 18.1% of the time at UK an "outlier"?

I don't think so.

 

[Blue_2_the_bone_rivals]

What are you saying? I don’t have a right to my opinion. Cal could easily have did what Dabo Sweeney did. Simply say that he don’t think it was a good idea to bring politics into sports. End of story. Cal can have his opinions and he can support BLM any way he wishes. But when he asks BBN to join him in his support, he crosses a line.

Yep. Agree 100% But regardless of my distaste for how he handled it and the cowardice of the Rupp situation I don’t necessarily want Cal gone. I want him to change his approach. I want that killer Cal with a chip on his shoulder back. If he can’t get that fire back then his days here should be numbered. Blaming youth, schedule & fans for the deficiencies we’re seeing is not cutting it.