that means pass and run? not a chance, we are rutgers, we drink the kool ade every year
Worst RU coaching ever.
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The reputation that Ash inherited was toxic. I understand that Greg inherited no quality players, but I'm not sure if the laughing stock and ridicule Flood brought on the recruiting trail compares. Ash does not have it easy.
I mean this in earnest, I've never agreed with you but I think you have to look at what Ash has to work with (3rd string reject transfers from other schools and Flood players) and realistically assess where he stands. Ash has certainly made things harder on himself,but you have to look at what he has objectively to work with.
When Kansas was a hopeless, talentless laughingstock on our schedule we laughed. But Flood left us right there on their level talentwise, and it's not going to be fun climbing out of it.
Shea is a better comparison. Both guys work/worked hard, they just spin their wheels and are in the deep end of the pool. EJ was just lazy. His only ambition was to collect his paycheck every two weeks.
But...but.....Ash needs four years just to be competitive and win maybe 5,6 games
a bit worried that Lewis just is not a passing threat so...if the sum of the parts is greater than the whole...maybe Gio should play more
I would argue Schiano inherited a better circumstance than situation. Specifically Rutgers was so poor and the expectations were so low that he was given such a longer leash that we do for ash. Most in this generation because of Schiano has experienced regular success and now many expect that that is the norm and as a result ash is held to a much higher standard.
Your response is vague and doesn't even respond to what I'm saying. I agree that talent wise, facility wise, administration and support Greg was MUCH worse off than ash is. Ash has much more talent, support, facilities etc., but the expectations by this fan base are substantially higher than when Greg took over and the schedule ash is playing is factually substantially better. I am no ash Homer by any means but objectively that's how I see it right wrong or indifferent.
You could try a more productive response than what my 5 year old would put together as a response.
Spare us the histrionics. You keep saying this, while one thing has nothing to do with the other. Entering the B1G did not require Rutgers to have a med school.
There's talent on RU sideline. A bunch of it. Problem #1 is there's no depth on the charts yet, that takes 3-5 years to develope. Saw WVU suffer for almost a half a decade coming into the B12. #2 is injuries are piling up, see #1. Finally I'm not bashing but here isn't a D1 QB on your roster. I mentioned a few weeks ago if you have 2 QB's you don't have one. When you use 3 in a game you have major problems at that position. I hope Ash hangs in there. He was dealt a bad hand but I think he can re build and make RU competitive in the B1G to the point they are a middle tier program that wins some BIG games every few years.
Heard one of the talking heads speaking about the USC Washington St. game. It's obvious, but to beat teams with better talent than you, you need to have coaches that can out scheme the other guys.
Ash isn't outscheming anyone. He isn't going to out recruit most any of the teams in our division, if any.
His ceiling is as a d coordinator where serious talent walks in and he doesn't need to out scheme opponents.
Becoming more obvious every game now. I'm sure he works really hard and thinks he is doing all the right things, but he just doesn't appear to know what Rutgers needs to do to win. We aren't Ohio St and never will be.
These coordinators are such crapshoots.
Ash isn't outscheming anyone. He isn't going to out recruit most any of the teams in our division, if any.
His ceiling is as a d coordinator where serious talent walks in and he doesn't need to out scheme opponents.
Becoming more obvious every game now. I'm sure he works really hard and thinks he is doing all the right things, but he just doesn't appear to know what Rutgers needs to do to win. We aren't Ohio St and never will be.
These coordinators are such crapshoots.
Make it a question in the next election and ask average NJ resident what they think and then let's discuss if one had something to do with the other. State residents and politicians are furious at what transpired since 2009!!
My expectation to beat the EMUs of the world. My expectation is to beat a god awful Nebraska team.
I don't think anyone expected to beat tOSU but UW is the one exception to us getting shellacked by anyone with a pulse and hell we got destroyed by a 4 win MSU team!
My quibble with this is that Purdue was toxic for much longer than us, their recruiting way worse, yet they manage to show a lot more than us now. There are other programs in similar boats. Edsall dragged UMD down pretty well, look at what they are doing now. With a 3rd string QB no less.
I can deal with last night much better than losing to EMU- be honest here- does Purdue or Maryland's staff lose that game? Or GS?
This argument is becoming tiresome. Listen, I haven't knocked Ash once this year unless my expressed preference for playing Gio be considered a knock, but Flood never embarrassed us on the field, won 28 games, beat Michigan, Indiana, Maryland and NC in the same year, and won the conference outright. Continuing to blame him for everything is becoming silly. Is he the one who hired Mehrinnger last year? Is he the one who insisted on running the power spread and a year later hires Kill? Is he the one who started Bolin all season? Is he the one who burried Hicks? And it doesn't end there.
Maybe OSU not having a recruiting class lower than #7 since 2011 had something to do with it too?
All coaches from every pool whether it be coordinator, mid major coach or former P5 coach are crap shoots regardless of where personal preference from which pool to choose from lies.
There is talent but it is MAC level talent at best. To expect any coach to suddenly turn that program around with the current roster is ludicrous in my opinion. It's going to take a while to build a decent roster.
"It ain't about the X's and O's it's the Jimmies and Joes".
Are you suggesting that what GS inherited from Shea was equal to what Ash inherited from Flood? Are you saying the state of the programs was comparable?
I could see why we got some bad early results with GS.. he was training his D to execute as if they were Miami.. NO MATTER WHAT... it was painful to watch but the payout down the road was good. I see nothing like that on O or D here. Its not like we are training up a future star QB and skill guys to run a complex offense and if that is happening on defense, I cannot see it.. though there was an improvement from last year. Y
ou could see with GS's Di that if it executed well it could dominate in games.. take over games.. change outcomes.. this D.. maybe it keeps games closer.. but even if it executes well I don't see it taking over games.. it is not aggressive enough... which may be fine if the offense could also execute well.
I'm sorry.. I juts cannot equate these early Ash years with GS' early years.
Not THAT is propaganda. We saw federal investigations into UMDNJ for years and years before the merger was proposed. Rife with over-billing Medicaid, patronage and no-show jobs.. malfeasance and misfeasance.. UMDNJ was one of the worst managed government institutions in America. That would would attempt to paint it as otherwise is a disgrace.
You could have Patrick Peterson, Janoris Jenkins and Richard Sherman out there and without the ability to apply pressure, your DBs are going to get beat and look out of position.
When you don't match up on the LOS and take a real drop in talent with your back-ups while the other team has big/fast running backs, at some point it will all breakdown. We lost to Nebraska mostly because their OL wore us down and their RB was punishing us with increasing success as the game went on.
Ash understands this. Until we can compete on both line of scrimmages, our skill position players will be greatly compromised.
When you don't match up on the LOS and take a real drop in talent with your back-ups while the other team has big/fast running backs, at some point it will all breakdown. We lost to Nebraska mostly because their OL wore us down and their RB was punishing us with increasing success as the game went on.
Ash understands this. Until we can compete on both line of scrimmages, our skill position players will be greatly compromised.
Please, you've been around long enough to know that Schiano inherited the worst team in the history of 1A football.
No one names their kids Jim and Joe anymore. That's so 1970s..I'm thinking we should change it to the Tylers and the Tuckers or the Joshes and the Jeremys
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I can't agree with that. A p5 coach is a much more known than a coordinator. Even a lower level coach. Ohio St hired Jim Tressel. They don't hire coordinators.
so how do u explain emu then? they haven't had a recruiting class higher than 112
Against Michigan, PSU, OSU, et. al year after year? And the talent level has been depleted over the last 4 years? And Rutgers is trying to get better recruits in light of all that? Four years might be reasonable.
Blitz creativity is also questionable. Even when we blitz it often gets picked up easily. Seems like we telegraph everything we do.
it doesn't it doesn't warrant a better response because for you to think that Greg Schiano may have inherited and easier situation then what Ashton is beyond moronic. Since we're talking about five year olds, that's what I would expect from a 5 year old because that's the type of lack of critical thinking objectivity and understanding a five-year-old has. Only people that are deaf dumb and blind would argue that Ash has it harder than Greg Schiano did. It's one thing to be a cheerleader it's entirely a different matter to be ******* stupid
Initially Schiano had to play Miami, V-Tech and Boston College truly a juggernaut schedule. Then things got a little easier in 2004 (correct me if I'm wrong) when the BE raid went down. Two things are happening right now. First, the schedule is brutal and second, coach Ash is lost as a head coach. When you're handed 11 guys who are some of the very best athletes in the country coaching is much easier. Urban Meyer recruiting top shelf defenses loaded with NFL prospects did not prepare coach Ash for Rutgers University and if Pat Hobbs was a battle tested AD he would have understood this when looking for a head coach. A Mark Mangino probably would have come in looked at our situation a devised a game plan that would best fit to the current athletes strengths and once he tweaked the offense where it was hitting on all cylinders he would have pressed on the gas a bit. He certainly wouldn't have come here and said "let's change to a spread offense" when 99% of the kids in that locker room were unfamiliar with that type of offense.
A loss against Illinois and coach Ash resigns during the post game presser. Willing to take bets.
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Questionable? Nebraska had a true Redshirt third-string tackle starting weave Blitz him or overload his side once. Who the hell does that especially when there's a shaky quarterback behind him?
On the surface you'd think it's a known but it really isn't unless you're going after a select few like Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh, Chip Kelly etc..
I'm sure Charlie Strong a P5 coach was considered a known by many here, I actually thought his 3M (a premium salary at the time) contract after the Louisville bowl win against Florida was a little premature. Some here thought I was crazy. We see how he turned out at Texas. Funny enough after Texas, I thought he was still a solid coach but not a good fit and did a bad job with choosing OCs there. As typical many here turned on him after being high on him. I was never so high on him at Louisville but neither did I turn low on him after Texas.
How about Bret Bielema and his string of Rose Bowl appearances at Wisconsin. How's that working out for Arkansas? I thought he got paid too much too and thought Wisconsin was right to let him go but still though I think he's a solid coach if/when he does get let go. Still owed 15M IIRC so not sure he will be even though his seat is warm.
How about Tommy Tuberville who was a favorite of some here too. Nice run at Auburn, split a national title IIRC. At Texas Tech didn't have one single above .500 season in conference after Mike Leach didn't have one losing in conference season there since his first. Cincy stint was okay but was fired after a dismal year.
Point being nothing is a guarantee and success at one location doesn't automatically mean success at another. A select few HCs can win anywhere but not everyone can and you have to find a good coach and the right fit for your school but that's easier said than done.
I never like narrowing down the pools because I don't see any proven variation of results between them. Sometimes you hit sometimes you miss. Every year is a new crop of available coaches and you try and make the best selection and fit for your school.
Point is you know what systems they run, types of programs they implement, recruiting ability, game day abilities, all much more than a coordinator. Another successful HC isn't fool proof, but it is much less risky than a never was coordinator.
Yea you might know all that but what does that mean? The end results of wins/losses is all the matters and you don't how that will turn out regardless of what system they run etc...as you've seen with the examples I've given.
Still not a piece of critical response besides I am right you are wrong you are stupid I am smart. You sir are truly a a special one I bet you are the life of the party.
Sorry pal, u deserve the moron cap in the corner. there isn't a soul alive that believes a she inherited a hoarder situation than Greg Schiano. Your lack of objectivity is stunning
If you bothered to even read my previous posts, which you obviously didn't, I never claimed the situation was worse but the expectations were drastically different. But keep on your high horse I'm sure your poop don't smell sitting that high up.